- 05-16-2008, 11:39 PM
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05-17-2008, 09:50 AM
05-17-2008, 11:25 AM
Wow that hurts.........But it's not going to help with your lack of knowledge of basic beginner supplements. You feel like getting banned today there tuff guy?
05-17-2008, 07:04 PM
05-17-2008, 07:15 PM
05-17-2008, 07:28 PM
Guys, allowing this to escalate can only result in some type of Pyrrhic victory for one of you. Or worse. Not really worth it!
Tribulus is hit or miss. Although it contains a lot of steroidal saponins, including the testosterone/DHEA precursor, diosgenin, it does not seem to work for everyone. A decent extract of Indian or Bulgarian tribulus with 80% Protodioscin and 20% Diocin can stimulate the endocrine to produce luteinizing hormone, ultimately leading to higher testosterone production and spermatogenesis. That is the ideal case. But because the steroidal saponins require a healthy intestinal flora to be adequately activated, tribulus may fail to produce the desired result in many users. In general, though, it is usually a better option to use a matrix of natural testosterone boosters than depend on just one, especially if that one is tribulus.
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05-17-2008, 07:38 PM
I second the motion of hate4theweak and move to have your "yo momma" comment stricken from the record.
T. terrestris has consistently failed to increase testosterone levels in controlled studies. It has also failed to demonstrate strength-enhancing properties.
1^Brown GA, Vukovich MD, Reifenrath TA, Uhl NL, Parsons KA, Sharp RL, King DS (2000). "Effects of anabolic precursors on serum testosterone concentrations and adaptations to resistance training in young men". Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab 10 (3): 340-59. PMID 10997957.
2^ Brown GA, Vukovich MD, Martini ER, Kohut ML, Franke WD, Jackson DA, King DS (2001). "Endocrine and lipid responses to chronic androstenediol-herbal supplementation in 30 to 58 year old men". J Am Coll Nutr 20 (5): 520-8. PMID 11601567.
3^ Neychev VK, & Mitev VI. (2005). "The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men". J Ethnopharmacol 101 (1-3): 319-23. PMID 15994038.
4^ Rogerson S, Riches CJ, Jennings C, Weatherby RP, Meir RA, Marshall-Gradisnik SM. (2007). "The Effect of Five Weeks of Tribulus terrestris Supplementation on Muscle Strength and Body Composition During Preseason Training in Elite Rugby League Players". J Strength Cond Res 21 (2): 348-53. PMID 17530942.
05-17-2008, 08:03 PM
05-17-2008, 08:05 PM
05-17-2008, 08:15 PM
1. it says you don't care to answer the poster's question.
2. it says that you think the poster is dumb for asking said question, and maybe even lazy. this may be to the contrary, as the poster may have done EXTENSIVE research and found conflicting opinions.
3. it says you don't respect the poster.
I personally think that this "got search?" emoticon should be removed. it in itself is offensive. i've NEVER seen a good response from one of these emoticons. it's just rude/inflammatory. if you DON'T wanna help the poster, exit the thread, simple as that.
05-17-2008, 08:22 PM
05-17-2008, 08:52 PM
05-18-2008, 12:21 PM
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05-18-2008, 12:36 PM
05-18-2008, 01:21 PM
05-18-2008, 02:18 PM
05-18-2008, 02:52 PM
05-18-2008, 04:20 PM
I normally don't involve myself in this kind of banter, but with you I felt compelled to make an exception. AM is the only forum I post in. It's in my opinion the best place to seek information without a lot of superfluous talk or meaningless drama. If you prefer a World Wrestling Federation environment, let me suggest bb.com. It's a great place for self-loathing youngsters who need to use the net as a form of therapy. I certainly hope that AM doesn't seek to those depths. It would be a shame.
05-18-2008, 04:25 PM
05-18-2008, 04:30 PM
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05-18-2008, 06:27 PM
05-19-2008, 09:05 AM
05-19-2008, 09:39 AM
We inject HCG subcutaneously with 31 gage insulin needles. It's virtually pain free. At most you, you would feel a slight prick. It doesn't require any pct if you decide to discontinue. I went off it for eight months after a year's use, and reestablished my old baseline numbers in a fairly short time. This option is always available. I'm a firm believer in trying diet and supplements first.
05-19-2008, 11:56 AM
05-19-2008, 03:28 PM
That's my take on herbal test boosters as well. For people with unhealthy test levels, they are no good. Your body will adjust and return to it's baseline.
I've tried to go the route of herbal test boosters instead of having to jump into TRT. Just doesn't work. TBH not even mega-high doses of resveratrol alongside potent doses of icariins will do much over time. Your body will likely get a pulse and then return to baseline or even drop lower! JMO and experience.
05-19-2008, 03:51 PM
05-19-2008, 06:20 PM
True, I would throw in a potent dose of resveratrol as well since it acts as a serm..should be beneficial for people who are secondary. Throwing in a good vitamin E supp like Primordial Performance's Toco-8 (for added LH sensitivity) is also a good idea.
I've tried all of the above. Worked for me to an extent, and got real expensive. I personally won't be happy until i can successfully remain at the top of the range though. Some of these supps I will still take and are worth taking, especially the Toco-8 and resveratrol.
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