Genova metabolic results
- 05-13-2008, 11:21 AM
- 05-13-2008, 12:55 PM
need to use converted form of b2 and it should help alot of issues. Also looks like undermethylation as well since dopamine and serotnin levels are at the low end. Kreb cycle gets going but it fizzles out at the end. Are you expierencing alot of joint paint. YOu may need malic acid supplement to help feed into it where it is left off.
- 05-13-2008, 01:55 PM
05-13-2008, 03:17 PM
Did you get the Genova test done through your doc, or did you just do it on your own? Btw, your results DO look pretty good - You should be fairly happy with them!
05-13-2008, 03:36 PM
I got it from my doc, but you can get them yourself here:
Welcome to Integrative Psychiatry Mental Health Testing and Treatment (a doctor-run site)
Yeah, I am glad the results are ok, but I was hoping for an answer as to why I can't sleep!!
05-13-2008, 03:43 PM
05-13-2008, 03:56 PM
05-13-2008, 04:06 PM
I am glad that you posted on this and not any other board.
On this board, nobody bothers people doing Genova testing, plus posts can be edited. I value editing capability.
I have excuse, I am learnig this stuff about Genova testing.
finally I will do my NutrEval on May22/08
But I am posting my experience so others can learn from it.
You have no excuse, specially now when you have a doc who deals with Genova.
You have not posted the whole test, add/edit the missing pages.
On my page #5 there is
Interpretation at glance
table with three columns.
If you are going for NutrEval, do not use any supplements, vitamins, minerals or additives or anything 2 -3 weeks before test.
you want to see what you body does on its own, without any help, just plain food + water.
From NutrEval test you will get clean list of any supplements that you may need.
That will be fine for you.
If you get in touch with HAN, you will get aditional expert opinion on details, like you see, he already picked up same possibility in vit B2 area.
There are versions of same supplements that work better in some situations.
On page #5 of your report, you see:
J. Relative need for Riboflavin 5 - 50 mg/d
the mark is on 4
so your need for supplementation is 40%
maximum supplementation they consider 50mg/d
When mark is
0-3 no need to supplement
4-6 mild defficiency
over 6 high defficiency
You are not really supposed to look at that page (sort of),
their opinion about you is summarized in the table: Interpretation at glance.
.............................. .............................. .............................. ...........................
Well, your neurotransmitters are within ok area, but still they have overal grade #3, so you are missing tiny bit there.
Homovanillic Acid (HVA)
(HVA = dopamine metabolite)
Possible low precursors or neurotransmitters
dopamine, DOPA, norepinephrine);
possible low cofactors (B2, B3, B6,
Mg, or Fe); possible impaired
L-tyrosine & B6, generally good response to NE reuptake
inhibitors (e.g., imiprimine); consider B2, B3 or
Fe (if low); support methylation (methionine or
SAMe, B6, B12, folate, Mg)
05-13-2008, 04:20 PM
05-13-2008, 04:45 PM
05-13-2008, 09:02 PM
Other than ONE I also had Faty Acid analysis,
so really what I was missing from NutrEval is
Elemental Analysis, Packed Erythrocytes (RBC's)
not only that, I am missing,
but also advice that come with complete test. That advice is not included in incomplete tests.
For anybody who reads this and would like to do this testing but is short of money:
then do the correct test.
The correct test is NutrEval.
Yes HAN helped me a lot,
on top of the advice I got with the tests.
It is since Mar30/08 that I do not use Arimidex/Anastrozole.
Wonder if that will continue.
Also urination urgency and frequency is easier to live with.
If possibe, keep Genova tests discussion on this board only.
Dr John told me to not discuss Genova on his board,
I have to listen to his request to be able to learn from his wisdom.
05-14-2008, 04:00 PM
Look at what they sugest you do, page 7 & 8.
You are also eating some funny supplements that cause problems, change DL-fumaric or DL-mali acid supplements to L-forms.
L-phenylalanine 500-2000 mg/d
L-tyrosine 500-2000 mg/d
Magnesium 100-200 mg/d
Detoxification (well first you have to confirm that you need it by RBC elememt analysis, they suspect that you may have some toxic substances to get rid of)
Molybdenum 50-250 μg/d,
B2 5-50mg/d (riboflavin)
Well three more item to clarify, Pyruvic, Lactic & Malic acids.
I buy all of the above stuff from LEF.org
Man, you have got a full plate, make correction to what you now know, save mone for the next test in 3 -4 months.
I am stopping all my supplements for over 2 weeks, going for my NutrEval.
Sort of a semi-clen slate approach.
Just look what happened when you posted (only) list of results.
Well, very little happened.
This is what you would get (and did) from you doc or other people, do not hold it agains him, you are lucky, he facilitated the test for you.
But Genova have given you their opinion, rather long list of actions.
It will get better when you do NutrEval.
05-14-2008, 05:27 PM
Vitamin C 2000mg
Pantothenic Acid 2000mg
MethylCobalin B-12 (sub) 1mg
EPA/DHA fish oil 1000mg
Nettle Root 500mg
Maca Root 6000mg
Stoked (Resveratol, Quercitin, Icariian) 800mg
Trib Test Extreme (rotated with Stoked) 500mg
DHEA (sub) 50mg
05-14-2008, 05:54 PM
Possibly what you are eating have DL without specifying it.
You should have stopped all supplements for (2 weeks or a month) before going for that test.
Now we are guessing.
Look at page #2 item #25
Fumaric Acid is very low, on the bottom.
(Metabolite of succinic acid,
precursor of malic acid); also
produced during urea cycle and
formed from phenylalanine and
Page #1 item # 14 Vanilmandelic Acid (VMA) low, red (below low range)
Page 1 item #16 MHPG is low, on green but low.
Possible low precursors or neurotransmitters
dopamine, DOPA, norepinephrine);
possible low cofactors (B2, B6, Mo,
Cu, or Fe); possible impaired
methylation (if MHPG also low)
05-14-2008, 06:25 PM
05-14-2008, 07:17 PM
HAN does not have Excel capabilities.
So I am sending him screen captures of my spreadsheet, not easy route.
I just thought of using Google spreadsheet and documents capabilities.
If that would work, it would be much easier to communicate.
I did not tried this yet, myself.
I imagine that you may complete your stuf on your own Excel then copy paste to Google's spreadsheet, then publish it.
Off hand Googles spreadsheet looks different and less capable or possibly just takes time to learn it.
Post on your progress, if anything, I want to learn.
05-14-2008, 08:04 PM
05-16-2008, 02:19 AM
My strongest recommendation is to get a sleep study. That's a no brainer. I had 2 of them. As it ends up, the CPAP never did anything for me. But my primary issue is alpha intrusions, from surges of adrenaline at night. If you dont have insurance, the sleep study could be spendy.
Good luck and hang in there. I feel like I am finally seeing the light, having slept well for about 8 of the last 10 days, which is better sleep than I've had in a few years. I look a world better, and am feeling better as well.
05-16-2008, 10:45 AM
I see there Metabolic Analysis Profile
Metabolic Analysis Profile (Urine) by Genova Diagnostics
but I cannot find NutrEval
There is also a Specracell test that HAN is so fond of.
But it look like any test can be ordered:
Laboratory Diagnostic Tests
If there is a test that you are interested in please call or email our office, chances are we can
order it for you.
Wonder if they help with insurance filing if the test is ordered thru internet?
05-16-2008, 11:34 AM
05-16-2008, 11:46 AM
05-16-2008, 12:00 PM
05-20-2008, 02:46 AM
05-20-2008, 03:33 PM
How much were your sleep tests? I have good health insurance, but I've heard that often, there is no compensation for these things. It's been something I've thought about for a long time, but frankly, I'm wondering if it's just going to be another $1000 for a, "Well, we've confirmed that you're an insomniac, and there is nothing we can do about it." OR "Have you ever tried melatonin?" OR "You know benzodiapines work really great, but of course, they're addictive." Blah, blah, blah. I guess it also depends on the clinic you go to. Being that Coreg is an alpha/beta blocker, do you find that it interferes with erection quality?
05-21-2008, 12:40 AM
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