My LH, FSH, prolactin, and estrogen results
- 04-30-2008, 03:51 PM
- 05-01-2008, 08:18 AM
309 is low in any book.
LH 1.9, assume at first that you are secondary
I suggest that you start with HCG only, at first.
If that would work, you will be ahead of the game.
You want to figure out largest possible dose of HCG that would not increase overly your estrodial.
Ideally you want to have E2 little below 29
while not using more than 2mg Arimidex a week, better if 1mg/week only.
That dose is somewhere around (1800 - 3500)iu/week
Need experimentation to figure it out.
1000iu EOD (every other day) ----> 1000*7/2=3500iu/week
measure your T, E2 & DHT
use these tests at Quest Diagnostics.
Estradiol, Free, LC/MS/MS (36169X)
Estrogens, Fractionated, LC/MS/MS (36742X)
Testosterone, Free, Bio/Total (LC/MS/MS)
Dihydrotestosterone, Free, Serum (36168X)
Test every 6 weeks until you find where you are.
You may want to start with 750iu/shot, have to start somewhere and then keep adjusting.
After you good with HCG, you will see if you have enough of your own testosterone, if not, add T shots.
Goal is to have
BAT from 3/4 to a top of range
you want to be no less than
and no more than 575
- 05-01-2008, 10:04 AM
05-01-2008, 10:31 AM
The info is new, most do not know about it or are screwed up by big pharma salesmen feeding them info, with $$ objectives as a first priority.
If your doc is willing to give you scripts for any testing and any medicine that you need, keep him.
You are going to be ahead of most guys.
Docs usually have a ego, be careful teaching you doc.
Most endos are mostly useless, unless you have diabetes.
Even there things can be improved.
Changing docs look into osteopaths, still it is not a sure bet.
05-01-2008, 11:24 AM
commend you for wanting to find the cause..but im thinking sometimes there isntt... just happens
HAS ANYONE SUCCESSFULLY RESTARTED USING A PROTOCOL THEN BEEN ABLE TO QUIT??? im thinking not...personally, im more than fine jabing myself everyweek and feeling/looking good...
you could be over a yr trying to figure it out, or more trying someone to find a doctor willing to look..
05-01-2008, 11:36 PM
thanks for all the replies.. i have a question would taking an ECA stack hurt any of the tests they would do on me? i dont have an appointment until may 27 and i really need to start cutting for summer
05-01-2008, 11:57 PM
Were you on a diet prior to your testing>
Hypocaloric diet can lower LH and thus lower T as well...
05-02-2008, 10:22 AM
05-02-2008, 02:35 PM
why would you cut fats out?
60-70% of your diet should be fat ( red meat, egg yolks, coconut oil, butter, hemp oil, olive oil, cod liver / fish oil)
05-02-2008, 07:20 PM
but would an eca stack while i wait for my doctors appointment on the 27th hurt any tests?
05-03-2008, 06:44 PM
05-09-2008, 08:55 AM
05-28-2008, 06:29 PM
wtf the endo doctor is a girl and she said all those were normal numbers for my results...she took them over again to make sure they are right though... i thought the LH is low and i told her despite my prolactin levels were low i could squeeze my right one and a lil clear liquid would come out and she said i'm i taking supplements so i told her creatine and she said that could be causing it WTF should i go to a different doctor?
07-24-2008, 11:42 AM
My test results came back at exactly 309 ng/dl (241-827) Starting Clomid today and will run it at 12.5mg for 6-8 weeks.
07-24-2008, 12:55 PM
07-28-2008, 08:20 AM
Clomid sucks! Maybe at the doses you are on wont be a issue. I'm on high dose 50mg/day for fertility and it SUCKS @SS big time
07-28-2008, 09:52 AM
07-28-2008, 09:58 AM
1st note that I am on it for fertility. I am on THT and doing test shots were great but obviously with test-e only I shut down my boys.
So in order to see if I can start producing sperm I was taken of test and put on 50mg/day clomid.
I suffer from depression but it pretty much disapeared while on test. Best I felt (depression/sadness) in 15 years. Now on Clomid, depressed more than 50% of the time. I have zero libido. I am pretty much a nymph and with this stuff I never want it, never think about it and never get turned on.
So for me, it might make it so I can produce another kid but at the price of depression coming back and libido is gone.
I will have test done in 3 weeks to see if LH and FSH have raised on Clomid, if not will do HcG for 3 months then retest. If that fails then I will give up on trying to have another kid and go back to weekly test shots.
07-28-2008, 10:09 AM
07-28-2008, 10:12 AM
Thanks, once back on test Im sure my life will improve. I dont think that 12.5-25mg of Clomid should cause such problems as my dosage.
07-28-2008, 10:18 AM
07-28-2008, 10:20 AM
07-28-2008, 10:22 AM
Why ZMA, I have tried it many time with no effect that I could tell of. What reasons or purpose do you think ZMA is needed. Meaning, why take it
07-28-2008, 10:31 AM
07-28-2008, 10:38 AM
Yeah, I love how my life improved on the test-e. Everything seemed better. E2 got high and Dr. didnt want to treat so I just took L-dex.
HcG I think would be my best best for long term TRT. Dr. here are just not to educated to hormonal things. Low test so give just test. They or I should say mine dont want to deal with E2 or keeping my boys working.
07-28-2008, 10:40 AM
Thanks, been a while since I have researched ZMA. I have a bottle at home and will start taking it tonight. Wish it would work miricles on my LOSS LIBIDO.
07-28-2008, 02:31 PM
07-29-2008, 06:12 AM
That would be great. Dont remember it having any noticable effects when I took it before. I buy the NOW brand ZMA 3 PILLS/DAY
07-29-2008, 11:11 PM
07-30-2008, 06:11 AM
Clomid ~ Prolactin ~ No Libido
I read on another post that prolactin levels can effect libido/sex desire?
My question is what are the main hormones that cause low libido (should say 0 libido).
My levels from last BT on 50mg Clomid/day are:
Test - 615ng/dl
E2 - 31PG/ML (was 55-67 when on test-e
The last time my prolactin was tested was in march, here are the numbers
test - 796ng/dl
free t - 27.4pg/ml
e2 - 55pg/ml
prolactin - 9.93ng/ml
So I am f-ed in that I have zero libido, i figured the clomid made my e2 higher or at least kept it high and was the cause of
skin fattening/looks blubbery and no definition
So again, what hormones do I need to consider for the libido issue?
07-30-2008, 06:55 AM
07-30-2008, 06:56 AM
No, never had that checked. Guess I better look into that
07-30-2008, 06:59 AM
Does Clomid show that it reduces DHT or prolactin. I havent found much as far as clomid messing up libido but that is what I have to assume to be messing up my s3x life. Nothing else changed and everything was good on test.
So woundering what hormoes might have gotten out of wack to cause low libido. Test levels still in 600+ and E2 dropped almost 50%
07-30-2008, 08:04 AM
07-30-2008, 08:25 AM
Thanks, thats what i am hoping for at my next urology visit. His big concern with taking me off test and on to clomid was going to be my past depression and bi-polar issues. These were pretty much non-existant while on test but they are coming back along with the libido.
I agree with the HcG for fertility and libido. Just need to convince Dr. on this. Obviously I want my LH/FSH up which would show the clomid is working but I'm afraid when they run the BT and they all have improved (restart) then they will want me to stay on the clomid until wife is pregnate.
Cant get her preg. if d!ck dont want to, LOL
08-02-2011, 11:57 PM
EXACTLY what I told my primary doc and urologist. They looked at me like I was crazy... Here they are frying my testicles when the problem is in my head! Anyway, I wish you luck. I think I have an endo that will work with me pretty well. He at least has patients on clomid and HCG, as opposed to the urologists and docs that haven't ever heard of anything but the pharmas pushing testosterone.
08-03-2011, 09:07 AM
08-04-2011, 05:55 AM
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