is it worth the money they are asking. i know my health is priceless but my bank has it's limits. are you on the full program ? thanks again for any info.
Many can't afford the annual fee at Cenegenics. Ten years ago I was in that boat, but now I'm financially independent. My wife is under the same care. If for any reason money became an issue, I would consider a DO like Dr. John. I would do anything within my power to stay healthy. Unfortunately "you go to war with what you have."
I would like to find out what outfits cattering to people (mostly boomers),
with no money problem, provide,
in a way of tangible health benefits, to people that are basically healthy,
and want to stay that way.
I am not interested in frills and fluf or extending a life span.
I am interested in increasing active life untill the last day.
I pay my doctor a fee of $2500/year which includes all tests but blood, and spend another $2500 - $3000 in blood work. I buy my supplements wherever I choose. They will match the lowest pharmacy price on prescriptions, and if they can't I have the option of buying elsewhere. The costs are high, but justified in my opinion. $2500 gives me unlimited access to a world class doctor, and it's he who keeps me coming back, not bells and whistles. I have my wife and father also under his care. There are other viable options that are less expensive. If he isn't available in the future I will consider them.
What tests are those?
I find nutritional testing usefull. Does Cenegenic offers them?
My nutritional tests I do at Genova Diagnostics.
Set of tests called NutrEval is a good start.
Have you heard of BodyLogicMD?
Until few days, you were the only one using HCG without testosterone and achieving good results.
On dr John board, there is masterhay posting of similar treatment.
matrix nutrition and fitness
I'd go with Dr. John LONG BEFORE I'd consider cenegenics. I don't doubt that SOME of their docs are great...but they have also been flooded with mediocre docs, at least as reported by people who have been dissapointed with their service. Dr. John knows his stuff, and will do ANY and all tests necessary, or just one's you can afford.
Im a happy patient, and i tried about 4 docs before I finally found Dr. John. You could also consider Dr. Mariano or Dr. Shippen, two other experts in the field.
They must be expensive, because they can afford to advertise in every airline's in flight magazine with a nice size color add taking about 1/4 of the page usually.
They sound pretty thorough..but it seems some people are paying $6K a year on up for the medical care, blood work and then the product itself and supplements...kind of crazy IMO.
As for HCG therapy, my doctor has done a lot of testing over the years and believes he has the ideal pulsing. According to him pulsing more than three times per week creates a feedback that produces less than optimal results in TT/FT and an increase in DHT. He recommends twice per week for the best results and claims that HCG maintains its strength for three days before tapering off. He mentioned studies by a man named Letter (phonetic spelling). The beginning of last month I switched from 1000 twice per week to 1000 EOD to test his theory. I'll let you know the results within the next couple of days. In the meantime I'll check out those links...thanks!
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the cenegenic doctor i talked with is in oklahoma city and his prices were way higher around $3000 for start up plus a $750 per quarter fee for something and then he said around $500 per month on meds. that sounds a little steep. are they all that way. maybe the endo. will have some good news monday(and cheaper).
thanks for all the info.