Why HCG.......why not HMG?
- 04-16-2008, 09:54 PM
Why HCG.......why not HMG?
Why is HMG rarely discussed here?
It seems to do most, if not all of what HCG does, if not more.
My primary reason for asking is that I have read that it helps to increase semen volume and blood flow in the testes. I feel both of these are low for me.
When they are higher....I feel better.
Would HMG possibly be used in place of HCG, or could they be used together?
- 04-16-2008, 11:34 PM
I think HMG would be a good alternative to HCG based on what I have read but I believe it is less talked about because generally (at least in the US) it appears to be less available then HCG.
- 04-18-2008, 02:26 PM
From what I understand, HCG mimics LH which causes the Leydig cells to produce testosterone. HMG mimics FSH which causes the Sertoli cells to produce sperm. Because we are interested in increasing test, HCG is the reasonable alternative. Studies have shown the HCG also does something to help with the production of sperm as this is the first line of fertility treatment. HMG is much more expensive than HCG, so it is often a second options for treatment of fertility issues.
04-18-2008, 06:22 PM
I am getting testosterone from cream but still feeling lousy although my numbers are good. Since I have insurance, expensive is not as big a problem as it once was.
Has anyone out there ever tried HMG in lieu of HCG?
04-19-2008, 10:02 AM
04-19-2008, 11:50 AM
As for primary or secondary...I wish I knew. My DR is very good but does not do much testing and TRT is not his specialty. I was on the absolute low end and am now on the high end of range for T.
He is doing the right things but not trying to look for the underlying causes, which is disappointing.
It is strange....he documents every single word and appointments with him last forever, its agonizing but I am looking for a more hands on DR with knowledge of T....if there are any.
06-20-2008, 09:52 PM
06-21-2008, 10:40 AM
I'm 6'3, 210ibs. and I do:
T-Cream 200mg ED on forearms (per Dr. John - "no touch")
HCG 200iu's ED sub-Q
My last BW (6/18):
TT = 790
E (ultra sensitive) = 18 (and I don't use any AI)
SHBG = 27
DHT = 100
When I changed HCG to ED I felt better.
Also, for semen volume (and generally better sexual feelings) I really like the supplement "Paravol" from Applied Nutraceuticals:
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06-21-2008, 10:42 AM
06-21-2008, 10:50 AM
I've only been able to find a source that carries a combination of HCG/HMG in one vial. I forget the ratios..
06-21-2008, 11:08 AM
06-21-2008, 11:45 AM
It seems the consensus for cream users is hcg every day. Because you are already using HCG it should be easy to transition. I had to use large doses because I wasn't on your protocol.
06-22-2008, 02:49 PM
Old Gator, have you noticed a meaningful difference in orgasm intensity and ejaculate volume? Do you take it every day? Do you know if you need to take it every day, or will orgasm days do? I am reluctant to spend another $1 per day on an additional supplement, but would consider it if you dont need to build up a blood level -- i.e., you can just take it on the day of the circus act.
06-22-2008, 08:55 PM
I always notice effects within 5 days. The effects are great within 2 weeks, even better at 4 weeks, but outright INSANITY at 6 weeks
i usually have to stop taking it after 4 weeks or else im drooling too much at every girl i see... not good when your in a relationship
Can't say I ever felt quite like that, (but I'm 30 years older than him too)!
What's T-Cream done for your DHT level? The boost from 45 to 100 really helped me out in the libido department too.
06-23-2008, 12:28 AM
06-23-2008, 09:11 AM
06-24-2008, 11:11 PM
...saw a post from a user on another forum who is taking HMG. And he stated the cost is a whopping $500/month. So that is definitely something to be considered. I would also assume difficulties with insurance companies covering it.
06-25-2008, 08:10 AM
06-25-2008, 06:35 PM
Yeah the cost is pretty crazy. I wonder what makes it so much more expensive compared to HCG. It's too bad there are no supps that can significantly increase GnRH or FSH naturally as well. Boosting dopamine will to an extent though, this is why I'm currently trying out deprenyl.
06-26-2008, 01:09 AM
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08-10-2008, 01:53 PM