Saw Palmetto - Losing Mass
05-30-2008 12:37 PM
Yeah, but I had 428 BEFORE Saw Palmetto... it was naturally low to begin with but I was able to sexually function OK, sleep well, have morning/spontaneous erections, build muscle, have energy, etc. Some people are able to function fine at this level even though it may seem low to others.
Prior to SP, I had low libido (which I blame on long-term AD use - see PSSD, Paxil is a sex-drive killer) and depression (from hair loss and a breakup), but the low test could've attributed to both of these factors as well. I was never horny while on Paxil and even when I came off of it my libido just wasn't what it used to be (but at least some existed compared to now).
It has been theorized that long-term AD use can lower one's Testoserone levels, right?
05-30-2008 01:10 PM
Before you may have had different SHBG, much lower.
Originally Posted by Terp03
Now you have it very high.
I have edited the chart, on post #56 this thread, to address what I will say now.
What counts is
BAT -- BioAvailableTestosterone.
FreeT -- Free Testosterone
Now you have
FreeT= 80 very small
Previously you may have had
SHBG=20 or even less
that would have given you
FreeT=115 big difference
Biggest bang for the $$$ you will get if you do the
test that I mentioned.
It would clarify many of your inbalances.
05-30-2008 01:21 PM
How would I go about ordering these tests? What is the cost? Don't you need a doctor to order them or do you just call them up and order them yourself?
Would a lack of Free T cause some of these symptoms?
I've read Danazol lowers SHBG thereby freeing up Free T, could be something to look into.
05-30-2008 02:29 PM
Of course FreeT is THE reason.
Originally Posted by Terp03
Actually it is BAT, BioAvailableTestosterone.
SHBG is an indicator of your overall health.
If you attack SHBG directly, you may not find out other problems that you have.
Those tests have to be ordered by a health provider that have account at Genova Daignostics.
You can get list of names by e-mail if you contact them.
Diagnostic Laboratory Testing for Wellness & Preventative Medicine - Genova Diagnostics
Contact Us - Diagnostic Laboratory Testing - Genova Diagnostics
Contact Client Services - Genova Diagnostics
If there is a choice, personally I would give a preference to an ostheopath or MD who also deals with TRT, but that is just convenience.
Genova is very adamant about getting insurance coverage if possible.
They file them selves for some insurance companies.
They give a doctor vey specific instructions about ICD-9 coding, so there is high likelyhood of getting paid.
This is my experience. I did number of those tests, my out of pocket costs are under $50.
You can look at my test reports on this thread:
JanSz-Metabolic Analysis and Cellular Energy
It is a learning exprience for me.
So I did not started with tests that I am suggesting for you, but my tests are within NutrEval set of tests.
If it mean anything, I have at home kits for NutrEval and Thyroid tests. Have appointment to do them in less than 2 weeks.
I see your posts on dr John bb.
http://www.matrix nutrition and fitness.com/forum/showthread.php?p=13184#post131 84
Per his adamant request, I am not allowed to talk about Genova Diagnostics on his site.
Thought that you may want to know about it.
As you see, even here I am not able to spell his name, it gets all astericked
All I know is that Genova raised my pines to action, so it is on good side in my book.
I wish you well.
02-16-2009 09:51 AM
Are you ok now
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