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[cumkwakka]

Hi

I have a high total testosterone ~800 ng/dl.

Never got measured the free testosterone.

I haven't had morning wood a long time.

If I use ZMA or Tongkat or Endotest I do get morning erections back.

Erections are good with Aspire / viagra. I also get morning boners from these products.

Could this be I have too high estrogen (or E2) what's the difference?

If i use the vasodilator everything is okay.. strange..

 

[OldGator]

Hi

I have a high total testosterone ~800 ng/dl.

Never got measured the free testosterone.

I haven't had morning wood a long time.

If I use ZMA or Tongkat or Endotest I do get morning erections back.

Erections are good with Aspire / viagra. I also get morning boners from these products.

Could this be I have too high estrogen (or E2) what's the difference?

If i use the vasodilator everything is okay.. strange..

What about the rest of your bloodwork? They measured your T but not your E?
Check any of JanSz postings for great comprehensive blood tests that he uses.
If too expensive, at least get a full male hormonal panel done. You can ask your doc or order yourself at www.lef.org

 

[cumkwakka]

What about the rest of your bloodwork? They measured your T but not your E?
Check any of JanSz postings for great comprehensive blood tests that he uses.
If too expensive, at least get a full male hormonal panel done. You can ask your doc or order yourself at www.lef.org

nope

i will do that

problem is i live in europe and can't get anyone to do a blood draw for me unless its a blood spot test

 

[JanSz]

nope

i will do that

problem is i live in europe and can't get anyone to do a blood draw for me unless its a blood spot test

You can get most tests (some much better) if you go to Genova Diagnostics.
If you are in UK, you can order test via internet plus credit card.

Normally you do not have to go to laboratory.
You are send a kit with instructions.

Really mean that you should be able to deliver to another country if your country is not listed below.

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[cumkwakka]

Thx man!!

 

[Force of Green]

Hey man, I noticed your thread and figured I'd chime in... There are a lot of factors dealing with erections, sex drive, etc... Aside for testosterone, 5AR, estrogen, SHBG, DHT, (2-Carboxyethyl)arginine synthase, etc, I have noticed that dopamine agonists have worked better for sex drive than 'test-boosters' (for lack of better words).

Some natural products would include Powerful, L-Phenylalanine (or DL phenylalanine), and a few others I can't think of right now...

The dopamine re-uptake inhibitor buproprion (aka Wellbutrin) is known to greatly increase libido and erection frequency and intensity in men and increase libido and orgasm length and intensity in women (and men). Dopamine is the hormone responsible for orgasm and the increase in prolactin after ejaculation is a result of diminished dopamine levels there-after you climax.

Certain substances that inhibit dopamine channels such as GHB are responsible for delayed onset ejaculation (curing premature ejaculation).

I requested Wellbutrin after 2 weeks of being off Cymbalta (SNRI which killed my sex drive) and I could feel the Wellbutrin after the first day. Now, my sex drive is to the point where I get wood off of half-decent looking 50+ year old women. I feel like one of those maniacal sexaholics who has to beat-off every hour or I'll lose control. lol

 

[Gutterpump]

I requested Wellbutrin after 2 weeks of being off Cymbalta (SNRI which killed my sex drive) and I could feel the Wellbutrin after the first day. Now, my sex drive is to the point where I get wood off of half-decent looking 50+ year old women. I feel like one of those maniacal sexaholics who has to beat-off every hour or I'll lose control. lol

Good to see you back around here

I wish welbutrin had that same effect on me when I started it. I personally didn't notice any change in sex drive or erection frequency. I think in most healthy people there would be a noticeable difference though. Test boosters, dopamine agonists of all types and now even welbutrin hasn't effected my libido at all. For someone with healthy testosterone though, it's a good idea to try this (dopamine agonists).

 

[Force of Green]

Good to see you back around here

I wish welbutrin had that same effect on me when I started it. I personally didn't notice any change in sex drive or erection frequency. I think in most healthy people there would be a noticeable difference though. Test boosters, dopamine agonists of all types and now even welbutrin hasn't effected my libido at all. For someone with healthy testosterone though, it's a good idea to try this (dopamine agonists).

Good to see you too Gutterpump! For some reason, Wellbutrin doesn't do it for me at the higher doses (anything above 150mg). I'd just rather stick with 150mg of Wellbutrin XL, which isn't much at all, but I am going to try a stim or something to help get back on track. I really don't have any drive, motivation, or much focus to do jack right now. But needless to say I have enough to 'jack' it.

 

[cumkwakka]

I requested Wellbutrin after 2 weeks of being off Cymbalta (SNRI which killed my sex drive) and I could feel the Wellbutrin after the first day. Now, my sex drive is to the point where I get wood off of half-decent looking 50+ year old women. I feel like one of those maniacal sexaholics who has to beat-off every hour or I'll lose control. lol

I don't know if this is so healthy. I might stay away from this medication i guess if 50 year old chicks give you boners.

Will a decent amount of l-dopa work as well?

 

[Force of Green]

haha

 

[keith1958]

I don't know if this is so healthy. I might stay away from this medication i guess if 50 year old chicks give you boners.

A lot of 50 year old chicks give me a boner the wife is 56. Of coarse she looks pretty good for 56.

 

[LeanGuy]

If i use the vasodilator everything is okay.. strange..

Have you tried some L-Arginine + Pycnogenol? This is nature's viagra

 

[cumkwakka]

Have you tried some L-Arginine + Pycnogenol? This is nature's viagra

nope

im hoping one day i can will not need any supplements that say "impotent guy over here" on it like viagra or other substitutes

pmgamer i read that to get back his libido he lowered his Estradiol with DIM

but he also said that if i can't get it up with viagra either, it's definitely estradiol problem

however i can no problem get it up with viagra

so im guessing im ****ed up in some other arena like thyroid or adrenals

since my high test level is okay

anywayz.. might order a lab test from ZRT soon for adrenals thyroid

any help on some values?

can't get genova testing done

 

[cumkwakka]

A lot of 50 year old chicks give me a boner the wife is 56. Of coarse she looks pretty good for 56.

in this case, of course, this is acceptable

 

[Force of Green]

Nothing wrong with raising the post to a 50+ woman. Nothing wrong at all.

 

[LeanGuy]

pmgamer i read that to get back his libido he lowered his Estradiol with DIM

There is some controversy here. From what I gather, DIM won't actually lower estrogen, it only makes the metabolic pathway favor "good" estrogens (2-hydroxyestrone). I've done E2 blood tests before and after DIM... no change. To actually lower it, you'd need a good AI. A reliable E2 test is critical though, before doing anything.

 

[cumkwakka]

haha

is that really you in the signature picture btw?

you look 50-ish

 

[Force of Green]

is that really you in the signature picture btw?

you look 50-ish

Since it displays my age, I guess I'll take it as either some kind of insult or the lamest, sarcastic joke I've ever heard. lol.

Sorry you can't get a boner my friend, but no need to condescend your frustration onto me

 

[cumkwakka]

Since it displays my age, I guess I'll take it as either some kind of insult or the lamest, sarcastic joke I've ever heard. lol.

Sorry you can't get a boner my friend, but no need to condescend your frustration onto me

o i hadn't noticed the age since im new to this forum

yeah it's a sarcastic joke as you might have read from my earlier comments

as you might see i have trouble with mr happy but won't keep me from being happy

so really? is it you in the picture.. orrrr is it the body you like to have one day?

no hard feelings huh? (no pun intended)

 

[Force of Green]

o i hadn't noticed the age since im new to this forum

yeah it's a sarcastic joke as you might have read from my earlier comments

as you might see i have trouble with mr happy but won't keep me from being happy

so really? is it you in the picture.. orrrr is it the body you like to have one day?

no hard feelings huh? (no pun intended)

My bad. No hard feelings on my comment... I used to have issues and I'm only 25. I now would relate it to dopamine issues.

It is me in the picture from about 9 months ago. I'll change it to one from 3 months ago, right before I slipped and fell out of the lifestyle... But I'm getting back on track.

It all goes hand in hand. I'm no doctor, though I do have a 4-year degree in psychology with extensive background in psychopharmacology.

I've been properly diagnosed with atypical depression and a subtype of ADHD known as SCT (concurrent with several therapists working together). To the best of my research I would say that the cause is from a lack of certain dopamine receptors in certain regions of the brain and constant dopamine recept desensetization.

Atypical depression has left me in periods of vegetation that have been misdiagnosed as mononucleosis a few times (though bloodwork came up negative a few times for mono). Dopamine, being the neurotransmitter for pleasure/reward and motivation/drive, is in constant peaks and valleys due to receptor downgrading.

This goes hand in hand with ADHD symptomology. ADHD is caused by a lack of dopamine and in some cases norepinephrine (which dopamine is precursor for). The ability to stay on task and focus on one thing at a time without being distracted is hindered. Of course I get all the time, "everyone has a little ADHD from time to time." The difference is that some people have it all the time and these people are at a defaulted neurological disadvantage from what's defined by certain criteria as the 'normal range'.

Anyhow... I couldn't explain what was causing my 'issue'... nor could I explain the delayed onset orgasm (my first time I was plowing some poor girl for 2 hours before I popped). Certain inhibitions of dopamine channels are what I think were the cause.

 

[cumkwakka]

My bad. No hard feelings on my comment... I used to have issues and I'm only 25. I now would relate it to dopamine issues.

It is me in the picture from about 9 months ago. I'll change it to one from 3 months ago, right before I slipped and fell out of the lifestyle... But I'm getting back on track.

It all goes hand in hand. I'm no doctor, though I do have a 4-year degree in psychology with extensive background in psychopharmacology.

I've been properly diagnosed with atypical depression and a subtype of ADHD known as SCT (concurrent with several therapists working together). To the best of my research I would say that the cause is from a lack of certain dopamine receptors in certain regions of the brain and constant dopamine recept desensetization.

Atypical depression has left me in periods of vegetation that have been misdiagnosed as mononucleosis a few times (though bloodwork came up negative a few times for mono). Dopamine, being the neurotransmitter for pleasure/reward and motivation/drive, is in constant peaks and valleys due to receptor downgrading.

This goes hand in hand with ADHD symptomology. ADHD is caused by a lack of dopamine and in some cases norepinephrine (which dopamine is precursor for). The ability to stay on task and focus on one thing at a time without being distracted is hindered. Of course I get all the time, "everyone has a little ADHD from time to time." The difference is that some people have it all the time and these people are at a defaulted neurological disadvantage from what's defined by certain criteria as the 'normal range'.

Anyhow... I couldn't explain what was causing my 'issue'... nor could I explain the delayed onset orgasm (my first time I was plowing some poor girl for 2 hours before I popped). Certain inhibitions of dopamine channels are what I think were the cause.

No problem man! Im 25 as well. I have a girlfriend and have sex with some help she doesn't know about

I must say you are a stud in that picture. If I wasn't a hetero then well... Too bad you're lacking at the moment, but I also quit BB because it took too much of a toll on my system.

In the meanwhile I got these damned issues while I look pretty good actually and should get hot women by the minute. Instead I have a girlfriend which is definitely a better deal. Imagine some chick dumps you just because you have issues right?

Im focusing on getting a bloodtest done. Currently emailing back and forth with Canaryclub to get a saliva and bloodspot test done. Hopefully this will tell me if it is adrenal related, thyroid related, or maybe estrogen related.

Im sorry for the girl you pounded for 2 hours. Hopefully you used some lube. Thank god I can last only 20 minutes max. This is when I get tired of it as well. Id rather bust then not anything at all.

I tried lots of stuff in the past and i realize i need a bloodtest. I tried mucuna pruriens (good) and tyrosine (also good) but still finding out what the root issue is.

Im sorry to hear that you have the ADHD issues. Do you mean it's solved now by drugs you're using or is it a temporary thing? What other bloodwork have you done and problems do you have confirmed (adrenal/thyroid maybe??)?.

Love to hear more.

 

[Force of Green]

Thanks for the compliments my friend... I'm starting to get back into things now. My adrenals I assume were good at the time and I've had my thyroid tested a couple times and I was right in the middle for TSH and T3, so everything looked ok on paper.

The ADHD and the atypical depression is a pain in the testicles. It really screwed me up time and time again. I'm taking 150mg Wellbutrin and I just started a small dose of VPX's Meltdown (new formula). I remembered that a while ago I used the old formula for a while (4 month clip) at a low twice daily dose and it improved my focus, motivation, and mood. I may start a thread for the new formula, for I took it today for the first time and did 2 caps morning and 2 caps early afternoon and experienced great focus, much better mood, good motivation increase, and no crash whatsoever.

I have a long road to where I want to be, but I desire the athletic capacity as much as the physique enhancement. I want to compete in ocean kayaking and swimming. We'll see what happens.

 

[JanSz]

Thanks for the compliments my friend... I'm starting to get back into things now. My adrenals I assume were good at the time and I've had my thyroid tested a couple times and I was right in the middle for TSH and T3, so everything looked ok on paper.

The ADHD and the atypical depression is a pain in the testicles. It really screwed me up time and time again. I'm taking 150mg Wellbutrin and I just started a small dose of VPX's Meltdown (new formula). I remembered that a while ago I used the old formula for a while (4 month clip) at a low twice daily dose and it improved my focus, motivation, and mood. I may start a thread for the new formula, for I took it today for the first time and did 2 caps morning and 2 caps early afternoon and experienced great focus, much better mood, good motivation increase, and no crash whatsoever.

I have a long road to where I want to be, but I desire the athletic capacity as much as the physique enhancement. I want to compete in ocean kayaking and swimming. We'll see what happens.

Looking good.

Post your data on thyroid.
TSH in the middle does not sound right.

 

[Force of Green]

You're right about the TSH thingy... I have a feeling my thyroid isn't really up there. I have a script for bloodwork, so I'll get it tested within a couple days.

Thanks for the comp! I have a little more work to get back tho.

 

[JanSz]

You're right about the TSH thingy... I have a feeling my thyroid isn't really up there. I have a script for bloodwork, so I'll get it tested within a couple days.

Thanks for the comp! I have a little more work to get back tho.

On thyroid I suggest doing this test:

http://www.gdx.net/home/assessments/thyroid/index.html
Comprehensive Thyroid Assessment

You would benefit greatly from diagnosis,
and follow up action you will get
on top of values for this analytes:

Analytes:

- Hypersensitive thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH)
- free thyroxine (fT4)
- free triiodothyronine (fT3)
- reverse T3 (rT3)
- anti-thyroglobulin antibodies (anti-TG)
- anti-thyroid peroxidase antibodies (anti-TPO)
- fT4/fT3
- fT3/rT3

Specimen Requirements:

4ml serum in SST
------------------------------------------

As a second choice do this tests at Quest,
(but diagnosis and any follow up action have to come from informed physician):

37 T3 Free
38 T3 uptake
39 T3,Total
40 T4,Free
41 T4,Total
42 reverse T3 (rT3)
43 TSH
44 Thyroid Peroxidase and Thyroglobulin Antibodies (7260X)

 

[Force of Green]

On thyroid I suggest doing this test:

http://www.gdx.net/home/assessments/thyroid/index.html
Comprehensive Thyroid Assessment

You would benefit greatly from diagnosis,
and follow up action you will get
on top of values for this analytes:

Analytes:

- Hypersensitive thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH)
- free thyroxine (fT4)
- free triiodothyronine (fT3)
- reverse T3 (rT3)
- anti-thyroglobulin antibodies (anti-TG)
- anti-thyroid peroxidase antibodies (anti-TPO)
- fT4/fT3
- fT3/rT3

Specimen Requirements:

4ml serum in SST
------------------------------------------

As a second choice do this tests at Quest,
(but diagnosis and any follow up action have to come from informed physician):

37 T3 Free
38 T3 uptake
39 T3,Total
40 T4,Free
41 T4,Total
42 reverse T3 (rT3)
43 TSH
44 Thyroid Peroxidase and Thyroglobulin Antibodies (7260X)

I didn't know they can test for reverse T3... Yikes, I'll have to ask my doctor about this test. Looks 'informative'.

 

[cumkwakka]

crap

i got the doctors results for my tsh level

year and a half or so ago it was 1.6

then a year later 2.8

now it is 5.1!!!

i guess im hypo will have to discuss with my GP what to do

might ask for some antibodies tests

 

[JanSz]

crap

i got the doctors results for my tsh level

year and a half or so ago it was 1.6

then a year later 2.8

now it is 5.1!!!

i guess im hypo will have to discuss with my GP what to do

might ask for some antibodies tests

It is going to take forewer to figure it out if you will test one indicator at the time, do the whole panel at once.
Preferably at Genova.
See post #25 on this thread.

 

[Bungloid48]

I don't know if this is so healthy. I might stay away from this medication i guess if 50 year old chicks give you boners.

Will a decent amount of l-dopa work as well?

It'll work well to cause excitotoxicity (brain cell death). Never take l-dopa.

 

[cumkwakka]

It'll work well to cause excitotoxicity (brain cell death). Never take l-dopa.

i never heard of this

any studies you can show me?

 

[Force of Green]

It'll work well to cause excitotoxicity (brain cell death). Never take l-dopa.

That is not necessarily true. Not at all. I'm sure if you exessively bombard your receptors by 'shotgunning' all of your dopamine from it's vesicles (as in the case with amphetamines at high doses) you will damage D2 receptors. Supplementing with l-dopa in therapeudic doses won't cause cell death.

 

[morigu]

Have you tried some L-Arginine + Pycnogenol? This is nature's viagra

What dosages do you use?