HCG not restoring ball size.

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by smc252 View Post
    This is a byproduct of , according to the studies I have read.

    I'd assume an AI would prevent this.. *shrug*

    To the original poster; you can try HMG as well, it will surely plump the boys back up.
    Are you saying that aromatase causes leydig desensitization, or that HCG causes testicular aromatase? I've looked hard for studies showing desensitization through HCG use, but haven't found anything conclusive. Would you share what you've read?

    Thank you.
    Last edited by colkurtz_spf; 03-09-2008 at 01:09 AM.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by colkurtz_spf View Post
    Those results are almost two years old. I maintned that level with success for close to a year, but after reading Dr, John's posts decided to abandon treatment. His claims that high dose HCG burned out leydig cells spooked me. I took around 8 months off of all therapy but didn't like the way I felt. My mind wasn't as sharp and I lost muscle mass and stregnth. My bench dropped from 12 reps at 225 to 5.

    A few months ago I started back at a much lower dose and achieved decent levels (TT 957 and FT 233) within 6 weeks. This time my protocol included 2000 IUs of HCG per week, 1.5 grams of Arimidex per week, 25 mg of Progesterone and 75 mg of DHEA daily. I recently started a three day split and would like to move to 1000 IUs EOD. That will depend on my lab results.
    I had my last blood drawn 8/30/07
    Currenly I am EOD system
    T=178.5mg/week
    0.38cc liquid Anastrozole on day of shot, 0.38*7/2=1.33 Arimidex/week
    750iu hcg on days between shots, last week and half, previously 375iu.


    Middle of February08 I have made major reshuffling on my supplements and started the feeling that I am drifting out of steady state that I felt before. About two weeks ago I changed from 375iu hcg first to 500iu then to 750iu/EOD.
    Chassing my E2 I changed liquid Anastrozole from 0.33*7/2=1.155cc/week to current 1.33
    Slight improvement not much.
    My testicles feel as if (possibly) litle bit firmer, but scrotum is much tighter now than before. I do not have a time when scrotum would be fully relaxed. Sex is back from 3/week to hardly 2/week, much less intensity.

    Wonder what to think about?

    I have already e-mailed my doc, asking for blood work script.
    Hopefully within 2 weeks will have more concrete info.
    Just trying to figure some reasonable guesses.
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    Mainly I am thinking about HCG.
    I have supply of 1500iu ampoules.
    They can easyly be divided to 3-500iu or 2-750iu shots.
    Previously 1500/4=375
    Wonder which one to pick.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    I had my last blood drawn 8/30/07
    Currenly I am EOD system
    T=178.5mg/week
    0.38cc liquid Anastrozole on day of shot, 0.38*7/2=1.33 Arimidex/week
    750iu hcg on days between shots, last week and half, previously 375iu.


    Middle of February08 I have made major reshuffling on my supplements and started the feeling that I am drifting out of steady state that I felt before. About two weeks ago I changed from 375iu hcg first to 500iu then to 750iu/EOD.
    Chassing my E2 I changed liquid Anastrozole from 0.33*7/2=1.155cc/week to current 1.33
    Slight improvement not much.
    My testicles feel as if (possibly) litle bit firmer, but scrotum is much tighter now than before. I do not have a time when scrotum would be fully relaxed. Sex is back from 3/week to hardly 2/week, much less intensity.

    Wonder what to think about?

    I have already e-mailed my doc, asking for blood work script.
    Hopefully within 2 weeks will have more concrete info.
    Just trying to figure some reasonable guesses.
    ---------------------------------------------------------
    Mainly I am thinking about HCG.
    I have supply of 1500iu ampoules.
    They can easyly be divided to 3-500iu or 2-750iu shots.
    Previously 1500/4=375
    Wonder which one to pick.
    You may have elevated estrogen, which is why the Anastrozole helped. I've been using the three day split for HCG and like it. I'll be curious to see the results of my draw. Maybe you need to increase your dosage of Anastrozole. I've gone as high as 3 mg/week while on HCG and had no problem. I tried 5 mg some time back, but didn't care much for the way I felt. Right now 1.5 mg is doing the trick, but I'm ready to move the dose up if necessary.
  4. arimidex


    Any of you guys who use Arimidex get it paid by insurance? I called pharmacy and they quoted me 12/pill for 1mg? Outrageous!

    Quote Originally Posted by colkurtz_spf View Post
    I would go back to 1000 EOD. HCG peaks in 36 hours and lasts 72. If your estrogen levels get too high ask for Arimidex. For me it did the trick and drove my test levels even higher.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by professorJohn View Post
    Any of you guys who use Arimidex get it paid by insurance? I called pharmacy and they quoted me 12/pill for 1mg? Outrageous!
    I dont know anything about this product, but Jans uses Liquidex, I believe, and speaks favorably of it. There is also Liquifem. I hope this doesnt violate any posting rules. If so, I apologize.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by professorJohn View Post
    Any of you guys who use Arimidex get it paid by insurance? I called pharmacy and they quoted me 12/pill for 1mg? Outrageous!
    My insurance covers it. With co-pay my cost is $25 for 30 1 mg pills.
  7. Arimidex


    Did you have to get it prior authorized with your insurance company? My insurance company says they won't cover it because it is only for females...they call it a gender specific drug?

    Quote Originally Posted by colkurtz_spf View Post
    My insurance covers it. With co-pay my cost is $25 for 30 1 mg pills.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by professorJohn View Post
    Did you have to get it prior authorized with your insurance company? My insurance company says they won't cover it because it is only for females...they call it a gender specific drug?
    My urologist prescribed. I took the script to Walgreens, handed them my insurance card and they asked for a $25 co-payment. I didn't ask them why it's covered. I assumed that Arimidex could be used to treat prostate issues.

  9. my wife says this, its either covered or its not... IE.

    its a covered drug for females with cancer, so they dont care if its scripted for a male

  10. Quote Originally Posted by phatkid77 View Post
    my wife says this, its either covered or its not... IE.

    its a covered drug for females with cancer, so they dont care if its scripted for a male

    FYI, I'm a male.

  11. i know, thanks...lol, what my elaborate post says...its covered...or should be
  12. arimidex


    Makes sense. What dose of arimidex does your doctor have you on and what range does that dose keep your E2 in?


    Quote Originally Posted by colkurtz_spf View Post
    My urologist prescribed. I took the script to Walgreens, handed them my insurance card and they asked for a $25 co-payment. I didn't ask them why it's covered. I assumed that Arimidex could be used to treat prostate issues.
  13. arimidex


    I wish my plan was that simple. I have Caremark and they say it is a gender specific drug, for females and breast cancer, and for me to be approved my doctor must show a medical neccesity; problem is not sure what they would accept as medical necessity for a man?

    Quote Originally Posted by phatkid77 View Post
    my wife says this, its either covered or its not... IE.

    its a covered drug for females with cancer, so they dont care if its scripted for a male

  14. Quote Originally Posted by professorJohn View Post
    Makes sense. What dose of arimidex does your doctor have you on and what range does that dose keep your E2 in?
    Right now I'm on 1.5 mg per week. MY last draw in January showed estradiol at 26.
  15. Arimidex


    Thank you. I assume from the E2 number you quote your doctor uses the Quest standard estradiol test, range 13-54?

    Quote Originally Posted by colkurtz_spf View Post
    Right now I'm on 1.5 mg per week. MY last draw in January showed estradiol at 26.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by professorJohn View Post
    Thank you. I assume from the E2 number you quote your doctor uses the Quest standard estradiol test, range 13-54?
    I'm not sure. Cenegenics handles everything and delivers it on their own template. Around 8 months ago I had partial results sent to my urologist. They came from Quest.
  17. Arimidex


    Okay thank you. On your arimidex of 1.5mg per week, do you take .5 three times per week or some other combination. Thanks again.

    Quote Originally Posted by colkurtz_spf View Post
    I'm not sure. Cenegenics handles everything and delivers it on their own template. Around 8 months ago I had partial results sent to my urologist. They came from Quest.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by professorJohn View Post
    Okay thank you. On your arimidex of 1.5mg per week, do you take .5 three times per week or some other combination. Thanks again.
    .5mg 3 times per week. I use a splitter which isn't effective. I can't say that doses are exact. I would switch to Liquidex if my cost wasn't unbeatable.

  19. get your doctor to say family history of breast cancer, maybe you have a lump... preventative measures is the reason for script

    phats

  20. Quote Originally Posted by phatkid77 View Post
    get your doctor to say family history of breast cancer, maybe you have a lump... preventative measures is the reason for script

    phats
    great, if all else fails, fraud. i'd just buy liquidex. it's cheap. ask Jan about dosing it.
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