Going to the doc today-- do I want clomid, nolva or torem?

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Now that I've repaired my varicocele, I am ready to grow a pair and restart my HPTA. Do I want to get a script for clomid, nolvadex, or toremifene? Or maybe some combination? Something else? Doc likes clomid, but torem seems to be superior? I am considering effectiveness, cost, sides and toxicity. Arimidex is too expensive, this is gonna be paid out of pocket!! I'll post my results for everyone. Thanks.
 
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Imo, even though there are less studies with them, I would ask your DR about 3rd generation serms. Far less toxic.
 
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Not off hand, they're pretty new.

Toremefine and Raloxifene are the 2nd gen serms, I've only seen the 3rd gen's mentioned once before. I'm almost certain they are available now by most doc's.
 
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I will ask about 3rd gen, otherwise leaning toward Toremifene.

Thanks Gutterpump
 
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My doc didn't know about anything other than clomid. So they want me to do a clomid test for 1 week and retest before writing a full script. Not what I wanted to hear, but better than nothing I suppose.
 
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It's been said that Clomid will make you bust some major nuts, pornstar style. ;)
 
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Just surprise her lol
Yes. Say nothing, then shower her with your man-goo. Stack the Clomid with Ejaculoid. :toofunny:

In case you don't know, Ejaculoid multiplies your semen amount by up to 600%. I've heard of some of the guys around here actually being able to completely drench a girl's face. I find it hilarious. :lol:
 
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In case you don't know, Ejaculoid multiplies your semen amount by up to 600%. I've heard of some of the guys around here actually being able to completely drench a girl's face. I find it hilarious. :lol:
Are you serious? With a name like that, I thought it was a joke.
 
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Hey my clomid script is 25mg... does that seem kind of weak? I am 150lbs if that makes a difference.
 

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Hey my clomid script is 25mg... does that seem kind of weak? I am 150lbs if that makes a difference.
That is low,, I thought that the standard dose was 50 mg..
most docs like to go the least amount at first, then move up. Some people respond well to 25mg..
 
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Hey my clomid script is 25mg... does that seem kind of weak? I am 150lbs if that makes a difference.
Didn't you previously mention something about 'testing' it for a week, first?
 

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shippen started me off at 15mg every day 3, then 25mg every 3 days after 3 months, took my T from 350 to 750.

although i have used clomid for about 6 months went off for a month T went way down and i felt like ****.

i have no idea if its possible to restart or i just need more time.
 
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although i have used clomid for about 6 months went off for a month T went way down and i felt like ****.

i have no idea if its possible to restart or i just need more time.
That's not good news, I might be in the same boat. If you must stay on something, probably better to switch to HCG since clomid can be toxic long term.
 

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whats considered long term? i think my thyroid is the main problem, im hoing once my thyroid is optimized my HTPA could restart.
 
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whats considered long term? i think my thyroid is the main problem, im hoing once my thyroid is optimized my HTPA could restart.
I am not sure, I am new to clomid therapy. From posts I've read here, typical time on clomid seems to be 4-8 weeks. What are your thyroid numbers?
 

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opps threads getting jacked... i dont know really my TSH is .03 ft3 was 360, but antis still come back high. we'll see

im sure shippen wouldnt keep on clomid this long it it had its dangers, he wont use hcg for yooung clients, he really tries to restart with clomid...

but from what i read and in my own case, restarting htpa is rare..

only other thing what if im just naturally a low testosteroe male.... and my thyoird was just bumping my T down a bit to much but i didnt wait and basically start clomid and armour on the same day.
 
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opps threads getting jacked... i dont know really my TSH is .03 ft3 was 360, but antis still come back high. we'll see

im sure shippen wouldnt keep on clomid this long it it had its dangers, he wont use hcg for yooung clients, he really tries to restart with clomid...

but from what i read and in my own case, restarting htpa is rare..

only other thing what if im just naturally a low testosteroe male.... and my thyoird was just bumping my T down a bit to much but i didnt wait and basically start clomid and armour on the same day.
Hey, engival;

keep/read this link, you may need compounded slow release T3 and wery careful procedure when using it.

Synthroid / Armour Thyroid
 
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Ok, I've finished my one week clomid test (25mg/ED). Going in for my follow-up blood work. Should I feel a difference in that time? Maybe I notice a little more acne, a little more libido... still no morning wood though. I guess the blood test will tell if LH has risen.

Isn't anyone worried about the carcinogenic effects of SERMS like clomid? It seems like many people here pop them like candy, but it scares the heck out of me when you read about how it mutates your DNA. Not sure what other non-suppressive + effective options I have though. I might run a month of formestane while I'm waiting for my tests to come back.
 

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So what were your results ? I hae ordered Nolvadex 20MG .... I am in the same boat as you .... I have tried several things and they all have made the symptoms of low T come back .... I am not taking anything other than Pycogynol and L-Arginine 1000MG .... My head is feeling better, but the ED comes and goes .... some days Ia m horny and want it .... and other I couldn't be less interested .... I had my surgery on Dec. 14 .... Doc has ordered a follow up T test in March ....
 

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LeanGuy, thats one thing im worried about, noone knows about the long term side effects of these drugs on the human body, could be cancer causing.

consider the facts, humans have been living free of supplements and drugs for millions of years. more drugs = more unhealthy people, its that simple. drugs dont heal, nature does
 
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I am still waiting for my tests to come back, but chances are I'll be doing at least 4 weeks of clomid. There are risks involved, but it's worth it to me... low T causes such a poor quality of life, sleep etc. Also, men need a much lower dose than women, so that mitigates some of the risk.

On a side note, I've seen some decent results from the LongJack I've been taking while waiting for my clomid test. LongJack IS natural :)
 

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I tried the tongkat ali liquid and after a few days i started to fell about the same ..... I ordered the Nolvadex 20MG 30 pills ....
What is the brand and where did you buy the longjack ?
I'm gonna get personal here .... I don't mean to offend .... My problem is when I go to have intimate relations My heart starts pounding and what I can only describe as anxiety washes over me .... I loose the little guy and nothing is able o happen .... then there are times that I am just laying there and things start to get a little steamy and oral and hand jobbing seem to go off without a hitch ....
I hate the way I feel .... I am trying to look at it from the point of view that I had a surgery and not fully recovered and my other half kinda understands .... In my mind I feel like I have gotten more confident then something like a failure seems to be a huge elephant in the room .... Do you have another half in your life ? Or are you single ?
 
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I tried the tongkat ali liquid and after a few days i started to fell about the same ..... I ordered the Nolvadex 20MG 30 pills ....
What is the brand and where did you buy the longjack ?
I'm gonna get personal here .... I don't mean to offend .... My problem is when I go to have intimate relations My heart starts pounding and what I can only describe as anxiety washes over me .... I loose the little guy and nothing is able o happen .... then there are times that I am just laying there and things start to get a little steamy and oral and hand jobbing seem to go off without a hitch ....
I hate the way I feel .... I am trying to look at it from the point of view that I had a surgery and not fully recovered and my other half kinda understands .... In my mind I feel like I have gotten more confident then something like a failure seems to be a huge elephant in the room .... Do you have another half in your life ? Or are you single ?
I am not on any anti-depressants, except a small amount of trazodone occasionally for sleep. I try to stay away from head-meds, but I hear wellbutrin (& trazodone) are the best for not killing libido. I've found a little phenibut at night makes for a great mood the next day.

I bought the bulk 20:1 LJ from NP. I am married to a hot wife who loves sex, and fortunately she is very understanding. At first when I had some ED issues, she thought I wasn't "turned on" by her anymore, but that changed when she went to the doc with me and they told us my test was below normal and affects libido. I TOTALLY know how you feel... ever since I had problems in the bedroom, now I always have some anxiety that it isn't going "to work"... that part is all mental. What helps for me, without going into too much detail... is to focus on pleasuring her for awhile in different ways... before I know it, I am ready for action. Hope this helps, bro.
 

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What is Phenibut ? I am staying away from the welbutrin for now.
It does help alot .... I actually had my first spontaneous erection last night.
I am also taking L-Arginine and Pycogynol .... I am at 2000MG of L and 60MG of P ....
I had some trouble in getting mr happy up Wed night so I was a bit down yesterday .... Honestly though I started to not care once I red your post .... So thank you ....
It's just a long haul ....
 

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Dang .... It's out of stock .... How long have you taken it and what kind of results have you had with it ?
Has it helped at all in the bedroom ?

Thanks
 
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Dang .... It's out of stock .... How long have you taken it and what kind of results have you had with it ?
Has it helped at all in the bedroom ?

Thanks

It helps with anxiety, sleep, relaxation, and as a side benefit growth hormone. You just can't take it every day or it loses the effect. It does help in the bedroom as far as performance anxiety.
 

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Awesome .... I'm gonna get some .... how has the Clomid worked out for you ?
I am gettin nolvadex ....
Do you take anything like Cialis or Viagra ? Not to be too personal .... You could PM me ....

Thanks
 
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Awesome .... I'm gonna get some .... how has the Clomid worked out for you ?
I am gettin nolvadex ....
Do you take anything like Cialis or Viagra ? Not to be too personal .... You could PM me ....

Thanks
So far clomid has worked great. I do not take any viagra etc.
 

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I've been doing the cialis, but I am not taking anything to help with that anxiety\fear cycle .... I need that phenibut stuff it sounds like ....
 

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My GP has given me a referral to go and see an Endo .... Hope he has a clue .... Any suggestions from all as to what to ask him to test for ?
 
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Hey, engival;

keep/read this link, you may need compounded slow release T3 and wery careful procedure when using it.

Synthroid / Armour Thyroid
personally I would stay AWAY from the slow release versions. I tried both slow release cortisol and T3, It was horrible. I just felt wrong all the time. My morning temps would go to 37.5, but I would feel extremely cold. on the old STTM forum val never had any success with slow T3 either

I've switched over to armour and thats gold. It does wonders. Recently i've just added in a tiny bit of normal T3 (cytomel in the UK, tertroxin here in AUS)
 

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