Libido and hardness and what works
- 01-17-2008, 01:28 PM
Libido and hardness and what works
Woundering if anyone has heard of the hardness factor book/program? Also is there anything that actually works for increasing libido?
I have lost all desire over the past few months and my test levels are above norm. I will be having other tests done such a E2 but since I am waiting I am interested in others trial and error when it comes to supplements.
I know Aspine supposed to work like vigra and give you better hardness but does nothing for libido.
Maca, I have used and most will say it increases volume of load but I havent had any experience with it working on libido or hardness.
I have heard some mixed stuff on horny goat weed but that is all mixed. I am thinking of trying it but have only heard about a 50/50 mix. I guess I should know if it worked then everyone would be using it so I have my doubts.
L-arginine have not heard much on this maybe 25/75 possitive
Any thoughts on liquid viagra or liquid cialis as far as hardness and comparing them to the real deal. I guess hardness doent matter if I have little to no libido/desire. I mean [email protected] barely does anything for me
- 01-17-2008, 01:45 PM
Do Genova Diagnostics
This test will do all kinds of checks,
you name it it have it.
Very cost efective and
talk back straight about corrective action,
with a list of supplements and daily dose
on a bottom line.
(plus all the usual discussion if one cares about).
01-17-2008, 03:02 PM
The NutrEval looks like a great test, but realistically, I don't think most people can afford to spend over $1000 at once on testing. I know I wish I could...if they made a payment plan lol. Not that I don't make a lot of money, it's just a lot to fork out at once for a test, and general health insurance won't cover it.
01-17-2008, 03:06 PM
01-17-2008, 03:25 PM
I do not know, I am still waiting, but Genova did send the paperwork out.
They would not do that if they knew before hand that there is no chance for any money back.
So far I did not get any bills from them, asking for money.
My first test at Genova I did oct1/07 (IIRC).
01-17-2008, 03:42 PM
Do they just require a script from your pcp in order to do the tests, then they will be completely covered as long as your PCP is in your general network?
My PCP does not use that lab for testing, so I assumed I could only use specific labs. My endo also only uses 2 labs for testing and they no longer use Quest so I cannot go to them either.
01-17-2008, 07:01 PM
It gives the a training and charts to use when filling their request for testing.
Those charts contain the suspected diagnostic codes that are apropriate for each test.
In UK one can buy those tests using credit card.
Time to change endo and GP.
01-18-2008, 09:38 AM
what supps are u taking loss of libido is usally produced by a low dopamine level in the brain which is caused from varios supp and res drugs ive heard people being prescribed adderall to increase sex drive while on ssris cuz of the low dopamine levels caused by those ssri meds
01-18-2008, 11:17 AM
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01-21-2008, 10:36 AM
Nothing in general has happened to cause the issue. But the longer the problem lasts the more it does make me depressed and stressed about it. So its kind of a catch 22 issue.
No known cause but the more it happens the more it bothers me and becomes a stresser and deprsion.
Having e levels done this week. Trying to improve it with foods/vegi's.
01-21-2008, 11:08 AM
Blood drawn at day of the shot, time of the shot before shot.
It would help great deal to be on EOD schedule with
(T + AI) and (380iu HCG) shots
To check your T & E2 levels do
Estradiol, Free, LC/MS/MS (36169X)
Testosterone, Free, Bio/Total (LC/MS/MS)
01-23-2008, 03:40 PM
ALA/ALC literally cured me of ED, i no longer need aspire/cialis to have sex; id 1600mg ALA and 5000mg ALC daily
01-23-2008, 04:20 PM
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02-04-2008, 11:57 PM
Lets get to the basics. E2 if too high will kill libido, even if TRT has your TT at 1000. E2 does not need be above normal range. E2 in the upper 30's can be a big problem and create all of the typical symptoms of hypogonadism, while your T is high. Get E2 into the lower 20's and libido can come back very strong. If E2 is creating problems, taking all of the supplements will not be very useful.
02-05-2008, 09:52 PM
I agree with controlling your e2, it's the first thing to look at.
Maybe add some l-histidine into the mix as well, it converts into l-histamine which plays an important role in sensitivity. I haven't tried it myself but I've read all about it here. You can get the bulk powder online. Try searching AM for info on it too.
02-06-2008, 09:30 AM
There is still a range, and it is uncertain where we want to be,
usually 20-30 is a good place.
Quest Diagnostics (rather recently) came up with
Estradiol, Ultrasensitive, LC/MS/MS (30289X)
Dr John says that it is the only good test.
Now the problem is that this test have as a range
so really, anything below or equal 29 is acceptable.
15 is good, 10 is good, 5 is good.
For me that is confusing.
On my last blood test I asked for
Estradiol, Free, LC/MS/MS (36169X)
This test also gives Estrodial (=<29)
Estradiol, Free (Males (Adult): < or = 0.45 pg/mL )
because my results were
and I felt rather good at the time, I increased my Liquidex tiny bit.
I think that I should be happy if my
FreeE2=(0.45 - 0.6)
additionally Quest posted a note about FreeE2 being a better indicator than E2.
All this boils down to SHBG value that one have to deal with,
and how much E2 is bound to SHBG.
Similarl deal as with FreeT.
02-06-2008, 11:29 AM
Lowering E2 should lower SHBG and increase FT. It might be a better target to increase AI until one senses some negative effects then back off. <29 is a lab norm, not a statement of a optimal value. If one's dosing is symptom/libido driven, then it does not matter what test is used. If one switches tests, then you do not know if a number change is from the changed test, changed dose or one's own changing dose response. I have had to change anastrozole from 1mg/wk to 1.75 to maintain lower 20's [0-53 range, labcorp serum E2]. With different lab ranges used by others, recommendations and lessons learned do not transferable.
I tried, and others as well, an AI bump. Take a larger one time increased dose and observe. Note what was better or worse, and the time line. With that in memory, adjust the dose. In my experience, running steady state with multiple injections per week of hCG and T, with anastrozole EOD, one can benefit from a isolated bump in anastrozole. It is unnatural for the body to do much of anything steady state. One time, a bump created some good effects that were long lasting. I added a 1mg bump to my EOD routine. This can be too much for some guys. Something else one needs to learn about how they respond individually. One guy did a 1mg bump and felt down for most of a week. Might be better to try a smaller bump at first, perhaps .5mg.
02-06-2008, 02:13 PM
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