Why does test gel increase DHT?
- 01-14-2008, 02:08 PM
Why does test gel increase DHT?
Why does test gel increase DHT instead of total T? Frustrating. This is happening to me, and I was wondering if there's anything to change it, like supp'ing evening primrose or something that blocks DHT. Also, does the gel application site matter?
I know I could get T shots, but it's a last resort for me because I don't want to shut down completely. Going to try HCG first. Thanks.
- 01-14-2008, 03:08 PM
My understanding is that creams/gels convert at a higher rate to DHT because they interact with 5AR in the skin. If you apply it to the skin of your genitals (scrotum, specifically), I understand you will get an even higher conversion to DHT. But AFAIK, other parts of the body should be equally good in that regard.
The only other question becomes "how much" insofar as quantity of gel. It is believed that the smaller the area, the less interaction with 5 AR and the less the conversion to DHT. Therefore, if you find yourself needing larger quantities of test (say 100 mg od), you would want to get a 10% preparation, which would mean 1 ml cream to rub in.
If you had to use, say, Androgel for same, you would need two satchels or 10 ml of gel. Lots more exposure to the skin (and 5AR) with that much gel.
Finasteride is a 5AR inhibitor, will decrease DHT, but many view it as an incredibly unsafe drug.
- 01-14-2008, 04:54 PM
Rick, thanks for the info. I am currently trying 50mg compounded sublingual trouches. I'll know how well it works at my next blood test. Anyone have success with sublinguals?
01-14-2008, 05:00 PM
01-14-2008, 07:05 PM
Pregnelone cream and even (i think) hcg can lower DHT. Esp. preg. cream. WHy are you so concerned, DHT is not the bad guy. It can be hard on the hair, but there are things to deal with that. DHT as dr. john says, has to do with "all things male".
look for preg cream. my dht was low so i have no issues.
01-14-2008, 07:48 PM
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01-14-2008, 08:10 PM
01-16-2008, 10:54 AM
09-27-2010, 07:11 AM
09-27-2010, 02:23 PM
This thread is over two yrs old.
I've never heard of an agonist. My DHT was low on shots, I switched to hcg + TGel and now I have high test and high DHT. DHT conversion happens best on the skin, that's why gels are better for this. Also, to boost DHT quickly, apply a bit of the gel to your gonads a couple times per week.
10-14-2010, 11:36 AM
10-23-2010, 07:22 AM
10-23-2010, 11:53 AM
Proviron has different properties than straight DHT. It's a derivative, and plus - proviron is not easy to come by nor is it legal in the US.
T-cream or gel on the nuts is a direct way to increase DHT.
10-24-2010, 03:51 AM
10-24-2010, 01:41 PM
10-24-2010, 02:08 PM
"DHT has been formulated as an injectable DHT heptanoate (enanthate) in experimental studies".
It's been done, but apparently it has never been marketed for some reason.
I thought I recalled seeing it somewhere, but I may have just been having nightmares
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