High HGB - HCT
- 01-02-2008, 11:54 AM
High HGB - HCT
Looking for some insight on natural options to help lower and maintain high hemoglobin and HCT.
I am on on TRT and belive this to be the cause of my high hemoglobin levels. I have seen a specialist in the past and have bi-weekly bt to check my levels. Over the past fwe years I have had to have phlebodomies (blood removal) to to control my hgb & hct.
Over this time my levels where hgb 16.8-18gm/dl (range 12.5-17) and hct 50-51.1% (range 36-50). When at these levels I had 500ml of blood removed and water put in. Levels would be fine for a while.
They have been good for a good while then all of a sudden jumped up. The only thing I can think of that might have made them increase was.......
I shoulder surgery in Nov. and thus cant workout which in turn I dont drink much water. Typically I drink 100+ oz of h2o per day and take 1 aspirin per day. I had to stop the aspirin as well due to taking pain and anti inlamitory meds.
So, I was woundering if anyone had any knowledge of foods/liquids to help control these blood levels. I am not sure if water intake and start back taking aspirin will help or if I just will need to keep giving blood
- 01-02-2008, 12:17 PM
Drinking lots of water will help. You don't say what your current values are for Hct and Hgb, but if they are similar to what you have seen before, staying well-hydrated might bring them down to borderline normal.
Aspirin doesn't lower Hgb or Hct, but will reduce the possibility that you will experience a stroke or some other type of clot-related problem as a result of the increased Hgb and Hct.
Certain prescription drugs are occasionally used to reduce Hgb and Hct, but, in your case, this seems like a drastic step.
Don't know of any foods that effect Hgb and Hct.
01-02-2008, 12:22 PM
01-05-2008, 06:53 PM
I have the same problem.
There are no foods, supps or over the counter meds that you can take. The only thing you can do is donate blood or you can get a red blood cell apherysis where they take out a double dose of your red blood cells (which will lower HCT and HB).
Test makes your body create epo. Some people react differently and just create too much epo and therefore have high RBC, HCT and HB.
I have tried changing the frequency, dosing and any other variable and it doesnt seem to matter because as soon as I take enough test (80mg/wk) to get my levels up to mid-high range my RBC, HCT and HB go out of range.
I am curious and was wondedring if any one knows. What happens if I change the compound from test to primo or some other Anabolic. Dont flame me, dont point out its not a natural replacement this isnt about cycling or anabolics. Just wondering if anyone knows if non-test based derivatives have the same impact on your body when it comes to making it create epo.
Any knowledgeable folks out there know this?
01-05-2008, 07:12 PM
How often do you donate to control these values? Do you donate just one pint at a time?
01-05-2008, 08:03 PM
01-07-2008, 07:40 AM
MH - I dont think frequency would change the results.
Are you talking primo or a type of primo test? Primobolin wont effect you test levels it more a anabolic change not a test or TRT treatment med.
Markla - It varies. For a while it was monthly then it stayed leveled for months. It got high again and my dr. took 1000ml out rather than the standard 500ml and put me on 325 aspirin daily it it was good for 3-4 months.
MH - I go thru a hospital. It needs to be tracked so the dr. can watch for a pattern and they do a conprehensive BT prior to having it done.
01-07-2008, 04:57 PM
I am not taking primo but thought maybe the body might not interepret the primo as test and therefore not overload the HCT, HB and RBC. So far, no one I have asked knows the answer to this question.
IF I dont find an answer I will do my own experiment and let you know what happens. I need to find a solution and so far nothing I do keeps my HCT/HB/RBC in line (other than stop HRT therapy)
01-09-2008, 12:09 PM
01-09-2008, 02:56 PM
Currently I take 40mg test every 4 days which drive my HCT, RBC and HB above the normal range. Once I reduce my dose everything goes back to normal except it puts me back in the situation of having low test levels (300-400).
I was thinking of just replacing primo for test at the 40mg/ 4days and see what happens to HCT, HB and RBC.
01-09-2008, 03:08 PM
At he dose you are at right now what is your test levels? I think you will find that you are in the same boat as me. I have had high hemoglin since I started TRT. It was diagnosed when I was on topicals and is still high now that I am on IM.
I realy dont see how primo is going to do anything to keep test levels up or to raise them unless you are talking about a primo-test. IMO it would be like taking deca or winstrol for low test TRT.
Test and high HMG, HCT are pretty common. My RBC are in the norm at 5.4x10E6/uL. I am not familiar with HB? Did you look up the word Pyroluria and its connection to hemoglobin.
Maybe check with Dr. on switching to HCG or adding it to your treatment and reducing your test. Another suggestion would be to try doing shots E3D or E2D.
01-09-2008, 05:48 PM
I realize if switched to primo or deca or anything not test based, my test levels would show up as low since I would not be injecting test.
But the primo would be acting as my "test" replacement which I expected to fix the symptoms and sides of low test.
I do take a small dose of HCG weekly (500iu).
I have tried many different dosing
every two days (used test prop) to weekly keeping the dosing amount equivalent. i found that I feel best the more frequent the dose but I just dont want to inject that frequently so, as with everything its a tradeoff.
I dont know if primo is the fix but I thought I would give it a try. WTF it cant hurt.
I did look up Pyroluria based upon your recommendations and saw nothing that I felt was applicable to me.
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