I do believe...
- 12-08-2007, 02:01 PM
- 12-08-2007, 03:08 PM
Glad to hear. How long did it take? I've been on t cyp for 8 weeks and feel nothing
Good to here that the process is helping someone!
I started w/ .5m of 100mg T cyp a good 8 weeks ago and saw T actually DROP from a pre TRT level of 200 +/- to 129. WTF??!!?? Switched to .5ml of 200mg T cyp ad went all the way to 270 Woo-hoo!! (sarcasm intended...) Then upped to .4mL 2x/week 2 weeks ago and still feel not much. Little morning wood, almost always fatigued and frequently mentally "down". Throughout this I do 300iu of hcg 2X/week.
Estrogen is constantly under 32, so I cannot see that it may be an issue.
With the above in mind, how long did it take you to see these effects?
I'll be putting a duplicate of this in my journal to update it.
Anyway.. Congratulations Rugby...
Retest set for Wed. My subjective "why do I still feel crappy" meter says I am off.
I have syringes at home
If you have a vial of testosterone with right desription,
if it is bootleged it may have something else inside of it.
Tell me your SHBG and I will estimate better dose of good testosterone.
It is up to you to get it and do proper shots.
Devil is usually in the details.
schedule of shots
describe the testosterone you are using
describe when you draw blood
your TT on that schedule
If everything above is ok;;;
If you are taking twice a week 160mg that is 320mg per week
the whole thing does not make sense,
what is your weight? If you are 300 or 400# different story
You are probably taking 160mg/week
still not consistent with your results.
I am taking 160 mg/week (more)
I have a hard time to follow how much testosterone you have taken and for how long.
How long are you on this new dose of 160mg/week (twice/week schedule)?
You have to be minimum 6 weeks to be sure.
I think that you should draw blood on day of the shot, time of the shot before shot.
You are not following that requirement.
But that should give you (false) but higher reading, so you are even worst of than you think.
You have a low SHBG=12
My table tells me that you should start with about 120mg/week
120 889 xx13 300 xx23 250
Your dose is much larger and it may drive your SHBG even lower.
No telling about your messed up estrogen status.
Low SHBG signifies other issues that you may possibly sort out with the use of Genova tests:
Interesting. Sounds like I am pretty much screwed.
In short, I am beginning to think this might be pointless and need to vent a bit.
Many guys take a little T and feel better. I am supposed to do, what, draw 3-4x/ week and spend the rest of my life endlessly fiddling with a never quite right series of drugs, supplements and more? Does not sound like anything even approaching a "normal" life or one I care to deal with. I can only hope I didn't pass on any potentially defective genes to my daughters.....
TRT is supposed to be a way to a more normal life. I am reluctant to turn it into a 2nd job as BigAK has alluded to. All this nonsense seems just too much at times. Tens of thousands of guys who are low on T slap on some Androgel and off they go, feeling much better. They don't spend as much time as it took to produce the Manhatten project. Sorry, if I seem down, but I am getting REALLY pissed at all this BS and my body's defects and weakness. I thought that almost 5 months after seeing Dr S for the first time that I'd be further along. He is supposed to be one of the pre-eminent authorities in this area. If he can't fix it, who can?
Not sure what to do, but I will be having the next blood draw on Wed, 12/12 and WILL be bringing all this up with Dr Shippen when I follow up with him to see what the hell is going on. In the interim, I will be checking into the tests you mention. Never heard of them, but can and will mention them to him.
Thanks again. I just need to calm down before I take my shot this evening.......
jansz..... when I was a bartender I drank a LOT
even to this day, shots rule the roost, but liquidex tastes like a*ss
how about following procedure to the letter.
Look at the see-saw pictures on attachment to my post here, post #21:
Jan's BloodTest April13/2007
At some point do Genova tests,
NutriEval and Estroessence.
But first stabilize as best as you can
rick... I would say by the beginning of the 2nd week I felt better. I had a down time of a couple weeks after being off the androgel and on the shots.
I will say it is a more edgy feeling than transdermals, thats for sure.
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