- 11-19-2007, 10:16 AM
- 11-21-2007, 11:38 AM
Well, 400iu is probably safer than 1000iu 3x a week, and cheaper.
I was on hcg-only after a while, and labs and feelings quickly proved I need to add arimidex for the high estrogen I got. HCG got me around 700 total T. Now I do T shots. Much better.
11-22-2007, 05:08 AM
11-22-2007, 10:04 AM
HCG gives the missing signal to testis to produce Test.
Somebody (like me) who is primary uses HCG to preserve size of testicles.
My testicles are not producing T.
Size of HCG shot should be just right.
Too smal and there is no desired effect.
Too big and additional E2 is produced at greater rate
Very big kills testis.
When the object is to raise testosterone level one should not preoccupy with TotalT level.
The important number is
as read from dr Shippen chart,
or test at Quest
Testosterone, Free, Bio/Total (LC/MS/MS)
If results of this test at Quest are available the important number is BAT (FreeT is also available).
Because often people have other problems, some have high SHBG levels.
People with high SHBG need much more testosterone to get their FreeT in good range. Those people, even if their testis are producing their max T, may still need T supplementation.
Supposedly the max daily hcg injection is 500iu
Minimum daily hcg injection about 150iu
There are frequent discussions on proper size of the hcg dose.
I use 250IU E2D
11-22-2007, 11:52 AM
Does HCG do more than invoke testes to produce testosterone?? hence; keep them big?? and if not, why would a primary bother with HCG at all???
11-22-2007, 11:59 AM
11-22-2007, 03:42 PM
My testis and scrotum shrunk to nothing.
My doc was good for Androgel and blood tests only, nothing else. Also I was much less informed then.
It took 30 days on HCG 250iu/E3D to rebuild my testis.
Actually whole month of feb 2007.
Way back then, before I started Test supplementation, my scrotum hung very low, I had a pain in that area.
Doc touched it, said varicocele, but now I doubt.
I was using tigh panties to relieve pain.
Now my scrotum hangs mostly low, but I have a times when it is tight, just like in my younger days, it is alive.
No pain in scrotum.
11-23-2007, 12:58 PM
11-24-2007, 10:42 AM
11-24-2007, 12:20 PM
11-24-2007, 01:25 PM
11-24-2007, 02:05 PM
And I am not giving my body up for research.
I have folowing info that may help anybody's curiosity.
Before any testosterone use,
7/10/03 (by my GP, he was ofering me Androgel plus big scare about it)
1/8/04 (by sex director at Manhattan, "good" hospital)
This sob told me to say good by to my sex life.
I think he should be castrated.
404 ejaculations due to my own diligence no thanks to sex doctors
11-24-2007, 03:41 PM
Not asking you to change what you are doing, just curious about the method and usage...
11-24-2007, 04:15 PM
an low TT level.
I am not a doctor, and do not really know how things work, but when I grab my balls they feel right to me.
Actually that feeling is even more consistent now when I changed HCG from 500iu E3D on the day of T shot to 250iu E2D, alternative days
(T + Liquidex) & hcg
11-24-2007, 04:19 PM
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