Low Libido And Blood Test
- 10-18-2007, 09:29 AM
Low Libido And Blood Test
Hi, lately i ve been dealing with low libido and erectile problems.
My doct order some blood test.
I was wonderign if someone can help me understand them, i have appointment witht he endo in 10 days.
TSH 1.21 mU/L 0.25-350
FT4 21.70> pmol/L 10.30-19.40
FT3 5.41 pmol/L 3.50-6.40
FSH 3.53 U/L 1.7-11
LH 3.69 U/L 0.6-7.0
Prolactin 158 mU/l 72-288
Testosterone 23.3 mmoli/L 10.4-34.6
SHBG 30.00nmoli/L 6.4-37.5
what do you guys think?
- 10-18-2007, 09:40 AM
- 10-18-2007, 09:47 AM
tnx, what do you think of my thyroid level, seems i have hight t4, could it be hyperthyroidism?
10-18-2007, 09:59 AM
I think your thyroid stuff is fine. Your TSH is pretty much perfect (often meaningless but still), your free t4 is a touch high but the free t3 is only midrange so no worries.
however, the slight discrepancy from a high free t4 and midrange free t3 might be the beginning signs of t4 dominance and a high reverse t3...often caused by high stress high cortisol levels.
I think HAN is right. Its either an estrogen (either too high or too low) or a cortisol/adrenal issue. Either could be causing this. Do you by chance have a metabolic panel done as well and/or pulse and blood pressure work? I dont think an endo is going to do much..probably just give you a script for viagra or cialis or suggest some psychological cause.
10-18-2007, 10:18 AM
#1 do more testing, look at post #44 for ideas.
Jan's BloodTest April13/2007
From what you provided;
your SHBG is high
but even now your
FreeT=165pg/mL also decent when natural
Something is increasing your SHBG
for now you can try supplements that decrease SHBG.
FT3 5.41 pmol/L 3.50-6.40
You are missing 35% on your thyroid.
Many are much worst off.
After you try everything else, try adding some Armour Thyroid to bring FreeT3 to top of range, to see if it make difference.
Looking to muster more energy I did Genova
Metabolic Panel + Cellular energy profile
Results are in and I am preparing post to discuss this test.
I am scared where this results are leading, I may have depression.
But who would not, often my hard pines cannot orgasm.
It is not bad, but we always want to have hard pines at moments notice, mine takes its time.
I could also use more energy, with little exercise I am already sweating, I am able to keep going but I used to have much more energy.
Anyhow, I thought of myself as rather happy and satisfied, and now this.
Supplements that are recomended (within test report) helps cancer (melanoma) to develop,
but I already have one cancer, LipoSarcoma.
Look for that post and any comments latter on,
you may consider that test for yourself, but only after you are done with thorough blood testing.
10-18-2007, 11:03 AM
High cortisol will show low t4 to t3 conversion which could be symptoms of the dreaded reverse t3 as scott explained, but estrogen increases cortisol as well ..
10-18-2007, 11:27 AM
thanks a lot for the help guys
I forgot to give some basic info on myself
male 24 years old
6,0, 175 lb around 12 % bf
ex boxer and muay thai fighter.
My blood pressure is 120/68
I forgot to say that i ve been on ssri med for 7 years, now taking 50 mg zoloft.
So should i ask for E2 and free cortisolo, right?
10-18-2007, 11:28 AM
10-18-2007, 11:29 AM
what do you think about test level, is ok?
should i ask fro free test aaswell?
10-18-2007, 11:46 AM
1/2 - 1 tsp a day is fine if you do not eat fish at all
eat fish 3 times a week no need for fish oils at all you are over loading your system. Too much fish oils supercharges dopamine receptors and also too much dopamine decreases libido. Cut back on fish oils to 1 tsp 3 times a week for a bit and see if that helps out.
10-18-2007, 12:04 PM
tnx bro, yeah i thought was a bit too much because i eat fish daily aswell
10-18-2007, 12:45 PM
10-18-2007, 01:48 PM
so the high level of shbg could be the result of 2 or 3 years of high comsumption of omega 3 and flax seed?
10-18-2007, 02:03 PM
it is not worth to check for FreeT anywhere else, including Quest.
look at post #44 for ideas on testing
Jan's BloodTest April13/2007
10-18-2007, 02:15 PM
I using a 40/30/30 diet f/c/p
6 TBSP hemp seed butter Organic Hemp Foods: Hemp Seeds Oil Protein Powder Butter Rawganique.com scroll down to bottom
1/2 tsp of fish oil a day m,w,f
10 eveing primose oil a day
red meat whole, eggs , organic butter
1 serving of grains , yams, organic soups ,
one piece of frut a day - pear, apple, kiwi
No dairy products, wheat or gluten
10-18-2007, 02:23 PM
10-18-2007, 03:53 PM
Research low fat diets and high fiber diets and you will see how it is related to shbg..I posted a few threads about it here..If you eat alot of beans, flax seeds, and nuts with lignain can also increase shg. If your fiber intake is 40 grams a day and fat is like 50 shbg will be high.
Fiber binds fats and cholestrol in the gut ans escorts it out..
10-18-2007, 07:00 PM
hardasnails1973, thanks a lot for all the info, i really appreciate,
i will try to get estradiol and cortisol checked and in the meanwhile i ll try your diet..
10-18-2007, 07:05 PM
10-18-2007, 07:15 PM
10-19-2007, 05:43 AM
this morning i saw an endo, she said my test results are ok,
total test is ok and the T4 coudl be messed by consumption of iodium salt taht i use. She thinks there 's no need to do E2 or cortisol test.
She gave me prescription for cialis, and said the problem is in my head...
Im gonna push my gp to sign E2 and cortisol and with those result i will try another endo...
bought some diesel test hardcore for the meanwhile..
10-19-2007, 06:55 AM
Pinto - I can tell you from experience that Zoloft is one of the worst head meds for killing sex life. I am not suggesting you stop taking it but rather ask to be switched to Welbutrin and see if it comes back.
Welbutrin has many uses along with being a good anti dep. med. It is scribed to people to stop smoking, loose weight and increase libido (I dont agree with that part much but it worth a try). I do beleive that it is much better in keeping you libido at where it was at. So if it was normal (at 24 you should be humping all the time) and with your test levels looking ok you will probably be back to normal.
I am on TRT and I will add from my experience that I had great libido and sex drive will my e2 was higher. I took l-dex and drove it way to low and lose all desire. I stopped the l-dex for now and my desire and performance is better. I will be getting a complete blood panel done within the next couple of months and will see where my e2 is at. For me though when it was high (60) I was much more horny.
Last, I am a living head med. testing ground so I have taken/tried over 20 meds over the last 15 years and Zoloft, Paxil and prozac f-ed up my sex life evertime. Even if they work to help fight the depression I got depressed cuz I could screw. Lexipro is anoth good drug with min. sexual side effects.
See if Dr. will switch you to Wellbutrin and see how your libido goes. If depression is worse or doesnt get you where you feel better than ask to add a small dose of Lexapro (10mg)/day.
I am not a Dr. and this is only my opinion and results that I have gotten from experience.
10-19-2007, 08:11 AM
tnx corndog, im tapering down zoloft right now, been on it for over 7 years and my sex life has been ****, i got energy and endurance and get get cutted and put on muscle easy when it comes to training but my libido has been a problem for a while.
I live in italy, i hope wellbutrin is available here too, will speak to the doc next time i see him.
Tnx a lot for your imput.
10-19-2007, 09:17 AM
www.lef.org and antiaging drs in italy they will help. I still hold true cut back on fish oil since you almost eat fish every day its casuing a huge imbalance. Add in some evening primose oil 1300 mgs 5 pill BID for 2 months. I did not say stop eating fish just stop the fish oils.. Chip is expereince the same thing as you. I had him stop the fish oils increase whole eggs , red meat and his libido returned. As soon as he ate fish his libido was gone.
10-19-2007, 09:42 AM
10-19-2007, 09:57 AM
Janzs I have always stresed cell membrane intergrity and 4:1 balance of 6:3. NAtures perfect food is hemp seed or the oil. ITs got GLA in it naturally. I started cutting back on fish oils for 2-3 week then I will start to blend them in slowly. People woth thyroid dysfinction have a hard time burning fat and can get build ups of them in the cell membrane causing mitochinrion to slow down even more and almost bring Kreb cycle to a halt.
Test I recommend in order for people serious out there healths are
1. RBC fatty acid
2. organic acid testing
3. Problems with methyation - amno acid profile - tells where blockages are.
If you have low folic acid or low bioavaible folic acid sarconsine is running wild (probably from the TMG or cell membranes breaking down) Cancer primary grip on the body is that it breaks open the cell membrane and causes DNA hypomathyation to occur. Hence why folic acid prevents cancuer aids in proper metyhation iof DNA so mutations do not occur.
10-19-2007, 10:01 AM
10-19-2007, 10:02 AM
Lack of GLA can also cause depression. GLA is actually used in alchol with drawl for derpession. Make sure eggs are organic and red meat maybe 2-3 times a week, add in organic butter and ghee, EV cocconut oil. Imbalnces can occur with in 3-4 months but question is i bet you been doing this for how many year. Your mumbers started out identical with high t4 and low t3 and I had been slamming flax seed oil for years and eating tons of fish for contest prep with no whole eggs and 3TBSP flax seed oil a day, cutting red meat to get leaner. Now knowing i was adding more fuel to the fire which lead into a cascade of events. Low arachidonic acid in ones body will reduce cAMP which is what stars the hormonal cascade so to speak.. Excessive fish oils block DGLA from going to AA which is very important in vascular system and hormones..
10-19-2007, 10:05 AM
10-19-2007, 10:12 AM
i will, do you agree that the elvated t4 could result of using iodium salt?
10-19-2007, 10:13 AM
10-19-2007, 10:16 AM
you are right..if i eat cakes or simple sugar i feel asleep...it leave me really tired and letargic..
10-19-2007, 10:20 AM
10-19-2007, 10:38 AM
bro thanks a lot for all the advices you give me...i really appreciate
sorry if i ask you tons of dumb question but im really disorientated...what action do you suggest?
i feel frustated cos doctors just say the problem is in my head, im healthy and bla bla bla..
should i started changing diet, and get e2 checked?,
forgot to tell you i suffer from irritable bowel syndrome aswell don't know if is relevant or not.
10-19-2007, 11:19 AM
im actually tapering down zoloft , as i dont have depression and anxiety at the meoment, would any prodctu like gaba be of any help?
10-19-2007, 12:02 PM
irritable bowel is a bs term for drs do not know and 90% of the time when endocrine balnce is brought back into proper check IBS goes. Intersting huh. Low or high estrogen can irritiate
the bowel. HELLO ESTRODIAL INCREASES SEROTONIN !! Or not enough can cause a defiency of dopamine, serotnin, gaba. TOO much suppresses serotnin, gaba causes an imbalnces in progesterone. Check vitamin d levels as well.
1.no gluten diet
2. no whey or milk
3. estabilish cell membrane intergreity by proper 4:1 6:3 ratio
if you eat fish several tmes a week, drop fish oil, add in whole organic eggs, red meat (2-3 Times a week). Add in 1000-1300 mgs GLA spread out the day with some 1TBSP hempseed oil, organic butter 1 TBSP organic cocconut oil - kill parasites.
4 work on proper potassium/ sodium ratio 5/2
5. 40/30/30 diet f,p,c will offset the hypoglycemia
6. the post workout shake drop that maldextrin its CRAP and can excelerate predipsosed hypoglycemia add a yam or some oatmeal, or brown rice, bucke wheat is good too
my protein pancakes
8 egg whites
1 scoop egg protein
1 tsp cinamon
1/2 cup of organc buckwheat flour
1/2 servig of hempseed protein for insolable fiber
smuther with organic butter and organic syrup
makes 2 pancakes
40 grams protein
40 grams carbs
15 grams fat 7- saturated 4 poly
pam and cook like regulr pancakes
play with texture as you like
How much sun dot you get a day
what time you goto bed and wake up
how often you work out how long, ect
I bet your alkaline phosphatase is on low end
10-19-2007, 03:08 PM
i dont get enuff sun cos i work at night in clubs so i usually go bed like 3 and get up at 11.
I used to work out twice daily when i was fighting pro, right now i just do 3 times a week weight and 2 times cardio...i ll try to follow your nutrition advice and on monday i ll ask for e2 test
10-19-2007, 04:19 PM
what product do you use for GLA and evening primrose oil?
10-19-2007, 06:17 PM
Dude just lack of sunlight can lower t3 by 30- 40%
they need to check your vitamin d levels 25 (oh)d not the 1,25. I can not emphaise how important sunlight is for hormones mainly thyroid. You may have too much melatonin during the day time and not enough during the night. your circadem rhtyme is screwed. You in italy for GET SOME SUN. If i were you as soon as you get up take a dump eat breakfast go out side and for a walk 30 minutes with out sunglasses on and get some sunlight into your retinas. Do this for 2 weeks and watch you IBS be a thing of the past.
Meltaonin in excess suppresses cortisol, thyroid. Hit SOME ZMA before bed time
10-19-2007, 06:18 PM
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