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    Hi, lately i ve been dealing with low libido and erectile problems.
    My doct order some blood test.
    I was wonderign if someone can help me understand them, i have appointment witht he endo in 10 days.

    TSH 1.21 mU/L 0.25-350
    FT4 21.70> pmol/L 10.30-19.40
    FT3 5.41 pmol/L 3.50-6.40
    FSH 3.53 U/L 1.7-11
    LH 3.69 U/L 0.6-7.0
    Prolactin 158 mU/l 72-288
    Testosterone 23.3 mmoli/L 10.4-34.6
    SHBG 30.00nmoli/L 6.4-37.5

    what do you guys think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pintu View Post
    Hi, lately i ve been dealing with low libido and erectile problems.
    My doct order some blood test.
    I was wonderign if someone can help me understand them, i have appointment witht he endo in 10 days.

    TSH 1.21 mU/L 0.25-350
    FT4 21.70> pmol/L 10.30-19.40
    FT3 5.41 pmol/L 3.50-6.40
    FSH 3.53 U/L 1.7-11
    LH 3.69 U/L 0.6-7.0
    Prolactin 158 mU/l 72-288
    Testosterone 23.3 mmoli/L 10.4-34.6
    SHBG 30.00nmoli/L 6.4-37.5

    what do you guys think?
    Thanks
    Need further testing to rule out other areas dht, dhea, e2, free cortisol,

    Something tells me your e2 is probably culrpit in realtionship to shbg.

    If your e2 is low and shbg is slightly elevated this may give some people low libido because of low bioavailiable e2.
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    tnx, what do you think of my thyroid level, seems i have hight t4, could it be hyperthyroidism?
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    I think your thyroid stuff is fine. Your TSH is pretty much perfect (often meaningless but still), your free t4 is a touch high but the free t3 is only midrange so no worries.

    however, the slight discrepancy from a high free t4 and midrange free t3 might be the beginning signs of t4 dominance and a high reverse t3...often caused by high stress high cortisol levels.

    I think HAN is right. Its either an estrogen (either too high or too low) or a cortisol/adrenal issue. Either could be causing this. Do you by chance have a metabolic panel done as well and/or pulse and blood pressure work? I dont think an endo is going to do much..probably just give you a script for viagra or cialis or suggest some psychological cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pintu View Post
    Hi, lately i ve been dealing with low libido and erectile problems.
    My doct order some blood test.
    I was wonderign if someone can help me understand them, i have appointment witht he endo in 10 days.

    TSH 1.21 mU/L 0.25-350
    FT4 21.70> pmol/L 10.30-19.40
    FT3 5.41 pmol/L 3.50-6.40
    FSH 3.53 U/L 1.7-11
    LH 3.69 U/L 0.6-7.0
    Prolactin 158 mU/l 72-288
    Testosterone 23.3 mmoli/L 10.4-34.6
    SHBG 30.00nmoli/L 6.4-37.5

    what do you guys think?
    Thanks
    Testosterone 23.3 mmoli/L=~700ng/dL rather decent when natural


    #1 do more testing, look at post #44 for ideas.
    Jan's BloodTest April13/2007


    From what you provided;
    your SHBG is high
    but even now your
    FreeT=165pg/mL also decent when natural

    Something is increasing your SHBG
    for now you can try supplements that decrease SHBG.

    FT3 5.41 pmol/L 3.50-6.40
    (6.4-5.41)/(6.4-3.5)=0.35
    You are missing 35% on your thyroid.
    Many are much worst off.
    After you try everything else, try adding some Armour Thyroid to bring FreeT3 to top of range, to see if it make difference.
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    Looking to muster more energy I did Genova
    Metabolic Panel + Cellular energy profile
    Results are in and I am preparing post to discuss this test.
    I am scared where this results are leading, I may have depression.
    But who would not, often my hard pines cannot orgasm.
    It is not bad, but we always want to have hard pines at moments notice, mine takes its time.
    I could also use more energy, with little exercise I am already sweating, I am able to keep going but I used to have much more energy.
    Anyhow, I thought of myself as rather happy and satisfied, and now this.
    Supplements that are recomended (within test report) helps cancer (melanoma) to develop,
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    Questions, questions.

    Look for that post and any comments latter on,
    you may consider that test for yourself, but only after you are done with thorough blood testing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pintu View Post
    tnx, what do you think of my thyroid level, seems i have hight t4, could it be hyperthyroidism?
    How much fish oils are you taking ? I am starting to coming to conclusion excess fish oils may be increasing shbg only a theory!! because it does increase ones insulin sesnitiveity which shbg is mainly correlated with..

    High cortisol will show low t4 to t3 conversion which could be symptoms of the dreaded reverse t3 as scott explained, but estrogen increases cortisol as well ..
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    thanks a lot for the help guys
    I forgot to give some basic info on myself
    male 24 years old
    6,0, 175 lb around 12 % bf
    ex boxer and muay thai fighter.
    My blood pressure is 120/68
    I forgot to say that i ve been on ssri med for 7 years, now taking 50 mg zoloft.

    So should i ask for E2 and free cortisolo, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    How much fish oils are you taking ? I am starting to coming to conclusion excess fish oils may be increasing shbg only a theory!! because it does increase ones insulin sesnitiveity which shbg is mainly correlated with..
    i take around 10 gr of fish oil daily plus alot of olive oil.
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    what do you think about test level, is ok?
    should i ask fro free test aaswell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pintu View Post
    i take around 10 gr of fish oil daily plus alot of olive oil.
    10 grams of fish oils is way too much !!
    1/2 - 1 tsp a day is fine if you do not eat fish at all
    eat fish 3 times a week no need for fish oils at all you are over loading your system. Too much fish oils supercharges dopamine receptors and also too much dopamine decreases libido. Cut back on fish oils to 1 tsp 3 times a week for a bit and see if that helps out.
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    tnx bro, yeah i thought was a bit too much because i eat fish daily aswell
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    Quote Originally Posted by pintu View Post
    tnx bro, yeah i thought was a bit too much because i eat fish daily aswell
    Your suppressing your arachondic acid levels and causing a major imbalance in your insulin and hormonal cascade mainly cAMP levels as well as your vascular system and do not let people tell you that you can not take to much because that is BS because I have blood results that will tell other wise. And it resulted from years of excessive flaxseed oil since I thought it was so good for you untill after 3-4 years it shut down my metabolism and caused a whole endocrine problem. To much fish oils can cause adrenal imbalances which AA are neeed to increase cortisol levels. How I amfinding this out the hard way. Dr told me to take fish oils 2 tsp a day and not thinking about it I was not taking GLA to offset it and it caused major joint pains and memory problems. Now I am resetting the balance with hemp seed oil and GLA and reducing fish oil to 1/2 tsp a day to bring the correct ratio bck to of 6:3 back to 4:1 where it is suppoe to be. I have been preaching about cell membrane permeability for longest time and the first thing that needs to be estabilish is stabilizing the lead ecnoiods which is the AA/EPA ratio before doing anything else. Excessive fish oils or flax will upset the balance in a matter of shirt time is large amounts are consummped..One can use niacin flush as an indicator of arachondinic acid. People with low levels have a delayed response as AA increases reaction gets faster..
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    so the high level of shbg could be the result of 2 or 3 years of high comsumption of omega 3 and flax seed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pintu View Post
    what do you think about test level, is ok?
    should i ask fro free test aaswell?
    Unless you go to Quest and do the test that I have on my list,
    it is not worth to check for FreeT anywhere else, including Quest.

    look at post #44 for ideas on testing
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    Quote Originally Posted by pintu View Post
    so the high level of shbg could be the result of 2 or 3 years of high comsumption of omega 3 and flax seed?
    It also can be contributed to a more vegetarian lifestyle too where vegetarians lack AA because they do not take in alot of EFA's unless they eat alot of presoaked nuts and seeds..FIber increases shbg explains why it strongly reflects inuslin production. Where is your cholesterol levels at? I will keep posted in the transition of balancing outthe EFAS properly. I know this was my root cause of my problem beause 8 weeks after bringing body back into balance I was gaining muscle like never before and getting leaner then I ever was with no other vairable altered.

    I using a 40/30/30 diet f/c/p
    6 TBSP hemp seed butter Organic Hemp Foods: Hemp Seeds Oil Protein Powder Butter Rawganique.com scroll down to bottom
    1/2 tsp of fish oil a day m,w,f
    10 eveing primose oil a day
    red meat whole, eggs , organic butter
    1 serving of grains , yams, organic soups ,
    lean proteins
    one piece of frut a day - pear, apple, kiwi

    No dairy products, wheat or gluten
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    It also can be contributed to a more vegetarian lifestyle too where vegetarians lack AA because they do not take in alot of EFA's unless they eat alot of presoaked nuts and seeds..FIber increases shbg explains why it strongly reflects inuslin production. Where is your cholesterol levels at?
    i eat lots of fibres aswell, i m watiing the metabolic panel result..
    will let you know as soon as i have.
    what do you reckon of my t level?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pintu View Post
    i eat lots of fibres aswell, i m watiing the metabolic panel result..
    will let you know as soon as i have.
    what do you reckon of my t level?
    According to jansz your t is fine its your free that sucks.
    Research low fat diets and high fiber diets and you will see how it is related to shbg..I posted a few threads about it here..If you eat alot of beans, flax seeds, and nuts with lignain can also increase shg. If your fiber intake is 40 grams a day and fat is like 50 shbg will be high.
    Fiber binds fats and cholestrol in the gut ans escorts it out..
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    hardasnails1973, thanks a lot for all the info, i really appreciate,
    i will try to get estradiol and cortisol checked and in the meanwhile i ll try your diet..
    thanks man
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    I using a 40/30/30 diet f/c/p
    6 TBSP hemp seed butter Organic Hemp Foods: Hemp Seeds Oil Protein Powder Butter Rawganique.com scroll down to bottom
    1/2 tsp of fish oil a day m,w,f
    10 eveing primose oil a day
    red meat whole, eggs , organic butter
    1 serving of grains , yams, organic soups ,
    lean proteins
    one piece of frut a day - pear, apple, kiwi

    No dairy products, wheat or gluten
    would it be ok to use whey pro+malto on post workout?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pintu View Post
    would it be ok to use whey pro+malto on post workout?
    Whey and bakled potatoe is best !! stick with natural foods.
    insulin lowers shbg !!

    I do not use whey put egg protein instead and soon be goat whey ..
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    Update


    this morning i saw an endo, she said my test results are ok,
    total test is ok and the T4 coudl be messed by consumption of iodium salt taht i use. She thinks there 's no need to do E2 or cortisol test.
    She gave me prescription for cialis, and said the problem is in my head...
    Im gonna push my gp to sign E2 and cortisol and with those result i will try another endo...
    bought some diesel test hardcore for the meanwhile..
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    Zoloft


    Pinto - I can tell you from experience that Zoloft is one of the worst head meds for killing sex life. I am not suggesting you stop taking it but rather ask to be switched to Welbutrin and see if it comes back.

    Welbutrin has many uses along with being a good anti dep. med. It is scribed to people to stop smoking, loose weight and increase libido (I dont agree with that part much but it worth a try). I do beleive that it is much better in keeping you libido at where it was at. So if it was normal (at 24 you should be humping all the time) and with your test levels looking ok you will probably be back to normal.

    I am on TRT and I will add from my experience that I had great libido and sex drive will my e2 was higher. I took l-dex and drove it way to low and lose all desire. I stopped the l-dex for now and my desire and performance is better. I will be getting a complete blood panel done within the next couple of months and will see where my e2 is at. For me though when it was high (60) I was much more horny.

    Last, I am a living head med. testing ground so I have taken/tried over 20 meds over the last 15 years and Zoloft, Paxil and prozac f-ed up my sex life evertime. Even if they work to help fight the depression I got depressed cuz I could screw. Lexipro is anoth good drug with min. sexual side effects.

    See if Dr. will switch you to Wellbutrin and see how your libido goes. If depression is worse or doesnt get you where you feel better than ask to add a small dose of Lexapro (10mg)/day.

    I am not a Dr. and this is only my opinion and results that I have gotten from experience.
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    tnx corndog, im tapering down zoloft right now, been on it for over 7 years and my sex life has been ****, i got energy and endurance and get get cutted and put on muscle easy when it comes to training but my libido has been a problem for a while.
    I live in italy, i hope wellbutrin is available here too, will speak to the doc next time i see him.
    Tnx a lot for your imput.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pintu View Post
    this morning i saw an endo, she said my test results are ok,
    total test is ok and the T4 coudl be messed by consumption of iodium salt taht i use. She thinks there 's no need to do E2 or cortisol test.
    She gave me prescription for cialis, and said the problem is in my head...
    Im gonna push my gp to sign E2 and cortisol and with those result i will try another endo...
    bought some diesel test hardcore for the meanwhile..
    Let prgmmer tell his story and you will see a huge correlation !! about e2 and depression. 20 plus years of antidepressnats almost destroying his marriage, ect..GEt second opionon if look up www.lef.org and antiaging drs in italy they will help. I still hold true cut back on fish oil since you almost eat fish every day its casuing a huge imbalance. Add in some evening primose oil 1300 mgs 5 pill BID for 2 months. I did not say stop eating fish just stop the fish oils.. Chip is expereince the same thing as you. I had him stop the fish oils increase whole eggs , red meat and his libido returned. As soon as he ate fish his libido was gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Let prgmmer tell his story and you will see a huge correlation !! about e2 and depression. 20 plus years of antidepressnats almost destroying his marriage, ect..GEt second opionon if look up www.lef.org and antiaging drs in italy they will help. I still hold true cut back on fish oil since you almost eat fish every day its casuing a huge imbalance. Add in some evening primose oil 1300 mgs 5 pill BID for 2 months. I did not say stop eating fish just stop the fish oils.. Chip is expereince the same thing as you. I had him stop the fish oils increase whole eggs , red meat and his libido returned. As soon as he ate fish his libido was gone.
    This test is possibly in my future.
    Wonder how much it costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    This test is possibly in my future.
    Wonder how much it costs.

    Essential and Metabolic Fatty Acids Analysis
    http://www.gdx.net/home/assessments/fattyacids/reports/
    Great plains its 200 bucks cash out, but smokies does a great job in breaking it down for you nicely in pathways.

    Janzs I have always stresed cell membrane intergrity and 4:1 balance of 6:3. NAtures perfect food is hemp seed or the oil. ITs got GLA in it naturally. I started cutting back on fish oils for 2-3 week then I will start to blend them in slowly. People woth thyroid dysfinction have a hard time burning fat and can get build ups of them in the cell membrane causing mitochinrion to slow down even more and almost bring Kreb cycle to a halt.

    Test I recommend in order for people serious out there healths are
    1. RBC fatty acid
    2. organic acid testing
    3. Problems with methyation - amno acid profile - tells where blockages are.
    If you have low folic acid or low bioavaible folic acid sarconsine is running wild (probably from the TMG or cell membranes breaking down) Cancer primary grip on the body is that it breaks open the cell membrane and causes DNA hypomathyation to occur. Hence why folic acid prevents cancuer aids in proper metyhation iof DNA so mutations do not occur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Let prgmmer tell his story and you will see a huge correlation !! about e2 and depression. 20 plus years of antidepressnats almost destroying his marriage, ect..GEt second opionon if look up www.lef.org and antiaging drs in italy they will help. I still hold true cut back on fish oil since you almost eat fish every day its casuing a huge imbalance. Add in some evening primose oil 1300 mgs 5 pill BID for 2 months. I did not say stop eating fish just stop the fish oils.. Chip is expereince the same thing as you. I had him stop the fish oils increase whole eggs , red meat and his libido returned. As soon as he ate fish his libido was gone.
    i will add primose, more whole eggs red meat.
    could e2 been increased by antidepressant or e2 be the cause of my depression? do you suggest to get E2 checked?
    im a bit cofused
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    Quote Originally Posted by pintu View Post
    i will add primose, more whole eggs red meat.
    could e2 been increased by antidepressant or e2 be the cause of my depression? do you suggest to get E2 checked?
    im a bit cofused
    E2 was cause of progrmmers depression YES GET E2 CHECKED ASAP.
    Lack of GLA can also cause depression. GLA is actually used in alchol with drawl for derpession. Make sure eggs are organic and red meat maybe 2-3 times a week, add in organic butter and ghee, EV cocconut oil. Imbalnces can occur with in 3-4 months but question is i bet you been doing this for how many year. Your mumbers started out identical with high t4 and low t3 and I had been slamming flax seed oil for years and eating tons of fish for contest prep with no whole eggs and 3TBSP flax seed oil a day, cutting red meat to get leaner. Now knowing i was adding more fuel to the fire which lead into a cascade of events. Low arachidonic acid in ones body will reduce cAMP which is what stars the hormonal cascade so to speak.. Excessive fish oils block DGLA from going to AA which is very important in vascular system and hormones..
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    Was it high E2 or low E2?
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    i will, do you agree that the elvated t4 could result of using iodium salt?
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    Quote Originally Posted by user88777 View Post
    Was it high E2 or low E2?
    Symptoms are identicalwith out lab work you are guessing and can make matters worse ..Since fish oils increase insulin sensitivity technically it should increase shbg, compunded that with high fiber diet it just going to drive insulin sensitiviy up the ass. I bet if he eat a lot of carbs he falls asleep. IF he had glucose tolerance test I bet you test reactive hypo. His blood sugar is probably normal give him carbs and see what happens like it did mine. Blood test are good space and time but do not show functionality. My liver was perfect on blood test when it was actull measured how it performed what a different story. Same as my blood sugar. Looked beautiful in the blood give me 75 mgs dextrose and it sent me into another world rested suagr was 80 3 hours later it was 42. More so I think your antidepressant medication could be screwing up methyation in the liver as well as your estrogen metabolism possible increasing shbg. MY gf is a psychologist and was told long term use of paxil can cause liver problems . I told her I knew this for years and explained to her that it interfers with methyation process in the liver. I tell people SSRI do not raise serotonin they only recirulate what you have available and over time your gas tank will be come deplted because there is no fuel. I mentioned a few times sam-e to people on antidepresants 3 weeks later they are a compeltely different person.. Exceissive fish oils can lead to undermethyation of the liver and I have the test to prove all of it from every angle..
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    you are right..if i eat cakes or simple sugar i feel asleep...it leave me really tired and letargic..
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    Quote Originally Posted by pintu View Post
    you are right..if i eat cakes or simple sugar i feel asleep...it leave me really tired and letargic..
    i have been down your road and know the process like the back of my hand and drs will not take action and just label you depression. Look up hypoglycemia and depression you will see i huge correlation. Depression does not cause the hypoglcemia the hypoglycemia causes depression due to inuslin imbalnces and screwed up trytophan transport. Hence why i suggested the 40/30/30 diet. Its basis of the diet i use with people to reesatblish cell membrane permeablility. Remember toxins can get in but if cell membrane is fuked up it only gets stored in fat and hence why alcholic have small arms and big guts..If they checked your neurotramsmitters I bet you they find high glutamate levels which is the start of a vicious para /sympathetic imbalnce in the brain.
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    bro thanks a lot for all the advices you give me...i really appreciate
    sorry if i ask you tons of dumb question but im really disorientated...what action do you suggest?
    i feel frustated cos doctors just say the problem is in my head, im healthy and bla bla bla..
    should i started changing diet, and get e2 checked?,
    forgot to tell you i suffer from irritable bowel syndrome aswell don't know if is relevant or not.
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    im actually tapering down zoloft , as i dont have depression and anxiety at the meoment, would any prodctu like gaba be of any help?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pintu View Post
    bro thanks a lot for all the advices you give me...i really appreciate
    sorry if i ask you tons of dumb question but im really disorientated...what action do you suggest?
    i feel frustated cos doctors just say the problem is in my head, im healthy and bla bla bla..
    should i started changing diet, and get e2 checked?,
    forgot to tell you i suffer from irritable bowel syndrome aswell don't know if is relevant or not.
    Yep thats how mine started
    irritable bowel is a bs term for drs do not know and 90% of the time when endocrine balnce is brought back into proper check IBS goes. Intersting huh. Low or high estrogen can irritiate
    the bowel. HELLO ESTRODIAL INCREASES SEROTONIN !! Or not enough can cause a defiency of dopamine, serotnin, gaba. TOO much suppresses serotnin, gaba causes an imbalnces in progesterone. Check vitamin d levels as well.

    Go with
    1.no gluten diet
    2. no whey or milk
    3. estabilish cell membrane intergreity by proper 4:1 6:3 ratio
    if you eat fish several tmes a week, drop fish oil, add in whole organic eggs, red meat (2-3 Times a week). Add in 1000-1300 mgs GLA spread out the day with some 1TBSP hempseed oil, organic butter 1 TBSP organic cocconut oil - kill parasites.
    4 work on proper potassium/ sodium ratio 5/2
    5. 40/30/30 diet f,p,c will offset the hypoglycemia
    6. the post workout shake drop that maldextrin its CRAP and can excelerate predipsosed hypoglycemia add a yam or some oatmeal, or brown rice, bucke wheat is good too

    my protein pancakes
    8 egg whites
    1 scoop egg protein
    1 tsp cinamon
    1/2 cup of organc buckwheat flour
    blend
    1/2 servig of hempseed protein for insolable fiber

    smuther with organic butter and organic syrup
    makes 2 pancakes
    40 grams protein
    40 grams carbs
    15 grams fat 7- saturated 4 poly


    pam and cook like regulr pancakes
    play with texture as you like

    How much sun dot you get a day
    what time you goto bed and wake up
    how often you work out how long, ect

    I bet your alkaline phosphatase is on low end
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    i dont get enuff sun cos i work at night in clubs so i usually go bed like 3 and get up at 11.
    I used to work out twice daily when i was fighting pro, right now i just do 3 times a week weight and 2 times cardio...i ll try to follow your nutrition advice and on monday i ll ask for e2 test
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    what product do you use for GLA and evening primrose oil?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pintu View Post
    what product do you use for GLA and evening primrose oil?

    Dude just lack of sunlight can lower t3 by 30- 40%
    they need to check your vitamin d levels 25 (oh)d not the 1,25. I can not emphaise how important sunlight is for hormones mainly thyroid. You may have too much melatonin during the day time and not enough during the night. your circadem rhtyme is screwed. You in italy for GET SOME SUN. If i were you as soon as you get up take a dump eat breakfast go out side and for a walk 30 minutes with out sunglasses on and get some sunlight into your retinas. Do this for 2 weeks and watch you IBS be a thing of the past.
    Meltaonin in excess suppresses cortisol, thyroid. Hit SOME ZMA before bed time
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    Quote Originally Posted by pintu View Post
    what product do you use for GLA and evening primrose oil?
    Anything with 1000-1300 mgs of EPO is fine and it get 10% GLA of the 1000 mgs
  

  
 

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