Long Readbut Will Make You Think Twice About Fish Oils !!

[JanSz]

Nutriva is the best also there EV cocconut oil ROCKS !!
I also looked at the GLA/EPA from lef which also looks very good since it is one of the few thst sticks to the 2:1 ratio.

I take 2000 mgs of GLA a with 1 tsp of carlsons fish oils a day which puts in the proper ratio and let food fall where ever it may be. I'm a big fan on EFA ratios and cell membrane intregrity

I'm calling Genova and getting prices on certain EFAS RBC
EPA. DHA, arachonic acid, GLA, LNA, ALA

Post a link to the "GLA/EPA from lef "
they have number of products that contain GLA but I could not find the one that have GLA & EPA.

It is very nice project that you are workng on.
Thank you.

I would like to be able to take supplements per my test results, way that is much more to the point.

Post list of tests (with links) from Genova that are helpful with this task.
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You have said:
1 tsp of carlsons fish oils

that is a teaspoon??

I am taking one tablespoon, is that too much?
This is on top of two pills of;
Super Omega-3 EPA/DHA with Sesame Lignans & Olive Fruit Extract
http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00982.html


When I was a child in Poland I was drinking 1 tablespoon/day of "tran", thanks to good old USA supplying it.

Not sure what was it. I thought it was a oil made from whales.
Possibly it was Cod oil, not sure.
The smell and taste of it was something not easy to get used.

[rick055]

I don't know who mentioned it earlier (or in another thread) but I just bought the $6.99 bottle of Vitamin Shoppe Fish Oil which contains 47 teaspoon servings.

Those teaspoon servings have more EPA/DHA than the pills I was taking which were costing me maybe $18.00 a month.

So to whoever brought it up, thanks for saving me the $$$.

Plus, Lemonade burps are always something to look forward to

[Skeptic]

Thats why i prefer to go with hempseed oil over any other oil ...

What if I just smoke weed?

[cpeil2]

I don't know who mentioned it earlier (or in another thread) but I just bought the $6.99 bottle of Vitamin Shoppe Fish Oil which contains 47 teaspoon servings.

Those teaspoon servings have more EPA/DHA than the pills I was taking which were costing me maybe $18.00 a month.

So to whoever brought it up, thanks for saving me the $$$.

Plus, Lemonade burps are always something to look forward to

Carlson's is belch-free. You can get it for as little as $23.00 for a 500 ml bottle (100 tsps.).

[hardasnails1973]

Carlson's is belch-free. You can get it for as little as $23.00 for a 500 ml bottle (100 tsps.).

Would not trust fish oil for more then 30 days because of oxidation of fats..
hemp seed oil no more the 3 weeks
flax seed oil less then 2 weeks

[cpeil2]

Would not trust fish oil for more then 30 days because of oxidation of fats..
hemp seed oil no more the 3 weeks
flax seed oil less then 2 weeks

Carlson says that there's has a shelf life of 3 mos. after opening as long as it is refrigerated.

I frankly love the stuff. It has none of the obnoxious problems that go with other fish oils. I take it by the teaspoonful. It is lemon-flavored, but I think that it would have a neutral flavor even without the lemon flavoring. No fishy belches .... no belching at all, actually.

Some people use it on salads. I don't because I view it as a supplement more than a food product. But I can see how they would.


And, as I noted above, two teaspoons/day keep my triglyceride level at 50-75.

[hardasnails1973]

Carlson says that there's has a shelf life of 3 mos. after opening as long as it is refrigerated.

I frankly love the stuff. It has none of the obnoxious problems that go with other fish oils. I take it by the teaspoonful. It is lemon-flavored, but I think that it would have a neutral flavor even without the lemon flavoring. No fishy belches .... no belching at all, actually.

Some people use it on salads. I don't because I view it as a supplement more than a food product. But I can see how they would.


And, as I noted above, two teaspoons/day keep my triglyceride level at 50-75.

Fish oils will drop LDL and trigycerides like no other thats for sure. Can also lower total cholestrol as well.

[pmgamer18]

Fish oils will drop LDL and trigycerides like no other thats for sure. Can also lower total cholestrol as well.

Just got back from the Dr. and labs look good to the 3 soft gels I take of Fish Oil are not doing me any wrong.
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...v=&browse=&s=1

[hardasnails1973]

Just got back from the Dr. and labs look good to the 3 soft gels I take of Fish Oil are not doing me any wrong.
Costco - Kirkland Signatureâ„¢ Enteric Coated Fish Oil Concentrate 200 Softgels

Its the idiots that take "more is better approach" that have the problems not people that use what is recommended. Knowing that i have a clincal imbalance verified by testing I need to becareful with proper balancing. Why i stay 2:1 ratio of GLA/fish oils

[pmgamer18]

One of the guys at the H2 group looked into this guy and found this about him.
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I've got to take issue with the article. It makes a big deal about
"negative" impacts of omega 3 oils suppressing immune function - but
that is exactly why cardiologists and others recommend it. It reduces
inflammation that is the start of coronary artery disease. It quiets
allergic like reactions that are harmful to the body.

SO what is really a sales brochure for is touting the very benefit of
the oil as a negative . I'm sorry looking over the site makes me very
skeptical of this guy. His site brags about him being a professor,
but if you dig you find out he's an electrical engineer who was once
an adjunct professor.
http://www.brianpeskin.com/theprofessorsstory.html

A further look shows he's been indicted for fraud:
http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/Peskin/complaint.html
http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/Peskin/peskin.html


http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardian_j...173433,00.html
"Jukes and his wife Fay were formerly involved in a pyramid diet
scheme called Best of Health which was run from near Glasgow. Fay
appeared in a "before" and "after" testimonial after she lost 22lbs in
five months.

Best of Health used the Radiant Health Diet from US "nutrition guru"
Brian Peskin. In 2002, the Texas Attorney General charged Peskin with
making misleading claims. Besides slamming the product, the law chief
also alleged Peskin did not hold his claimed PhD; was not a research
scientist or a professor. Best of Health sued Peskin.


He's peddled every conceivable miracle - even cellulite remover:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-18700086.html


I think I'll look to the American Heart Association over this guys
writings.

FYI: Link to PDF which is easier to read: http://www.brianpeskin.com/efa-analysis.pdf

[smitty4]

Good job Phil!!

[hardasnails1973]

One of the guys at the H2 group looked into this guy and found this about him.
============================== ========
I've got to take issue with the article. It makes a big deal about
"negative" impacts of omega 3 oils suppressing immune function - but
that is exactly why cardiologists and others recommend it. It reduces
inflammation that is the start of coronary artery disease. It quiets
allergic like reactions that are harmful to the body.

SO what is really a sales brochure for is touting the very benefit of
the oil as a negative . I'm sorry looking over the site makes me very
skeptical of this guy. His site brags about him being a professor,
but if you dig you find out he's an electrical engineer who was once
an adjunct professor.
http://www.brianpeskin.com/theprofessorsstory.html

A further look shows he's been indicted for fraud:
http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/Peskin/complaint.html
http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/Peskin/peskin.html


http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardian_j...173433,00.html
"Jukes and his wife Fay were formerly involved in a pyramid diet
scheme called Best of Health which was run from near Glasgow. Fay
appeared in a "before" and "after" testimonial after she lost 22lbs in
five months.

Best of Health used the Radiant Health Diet from US "nutrition guru"
Brian Peskin. In 2002, the Texas Attorney General charged Peskin with
making misleading claims. Besides slamming the product, the law chief
also alleged Peskin did not hold his claimed PhD; was not a research
scientist or a professor. Best of Health sued Peskin.


He's peddled every conceivable miracle - even cellulite remover:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-18700086.html


I think I'll look to the American Heart Association over this guys
writings.

Again for many that have insurance there are places that test RBC fatty acids and like for me it was a arude awakening..Going to get tested in another month or so to check the progress. Like any thing every thing in moderation.

[rick055]

Kudos, Phil.

[JanSz]

Kudos, Phil.

Please post your opinion on fish oil, dose and other supplements that need also be taken when supplementing with fish oil.

[hardasnails1973]

Kudos, Phil.

Please post your opinion on fish oil, dose and other supplements that need also be taken when supplementing with fish oil.

Too many fish oils create excessive lipid perioxidation hence increase free radicals with in the body so anything that fights free radicals is a plus..

[aculpep]

My thoughts exactly. And the part about fish oil being bad for diabetics is flat out wrong. I take it and it literally lowers my blood sugar. Looks like he is trying to sell something to me.

One of the guys at the H2 group looked into this guy and found this about him.
============================== ========
I've got to take issue with the article. It makes a big deal about
"negative" impacts of omega 3 oils suppressing immune function - but
that is exactly why cardiologists and others recommend it. It reduces
inflammation that is the start of coronary artery disease. It quiets
allergic like reactions that are harmful to the body.

SO what is really a sales brochure for is touting the very benefit of
the oil as a negative . I'm sorry looking over the site makes me very
skeptical of this guy. His site brags about him being a professor,
but if you dig you find out he's an electrical engineer who was once
an adjunct professor.
http://www.brianpeskin.com/theprofessorsstory.html

A further look shows he's been indicted for fraud:
http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/Peskin/complaint.html
http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/Peskin/peskin.html


http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardian_j...173433,00.html
"Jukes and his wife Fay were formerly involved in a pyramid diet
scheme called Best of Health which was run from near Glasgow. Fay
appeared in a "before" and "after" testimonial after she lost 22lbs in
five months.

Best of Health used the Radiant Health Diet from US "nutrition guru"
Brian Peskin. In 2002, the Texas Attorney General charged Peskin with
making misleading claims. Besides slamming the product, the law chief
also alleged Peskin did not hold his claimed PhD; was not a research
scientist or a professor. Best of Health sued Peskin.


He's peddled every conceivable miracle - even cellulite remover:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-18700086.html


I think I'll look to the American Heart Association over this guys
writings.

[rick055]

Lignans increase shbg
Switch to hemp seed oil can use it long term with out upsetting balance

What exactly is a lingan?

[cpeil2]

Too many fish oils create excessive lipid perioxidation hence increase free radicals with in the body so anything that fights free radicals is a plus..

I only glanced at a few studies that show this, but it seems that, in most of them that showed increased lipid peroxidation, fish oil accounted for most of the fat in the subjects' diets. The takeaway: moderation.

[hardasnails1973]

I only glanced at a few studies that show this, but it seems that, in most of them that showed increased lipid peroxidation, fish oil accounted for most of the fat in the subjects' diets. The takeaway: moderation.

POINT BEING MODERATION IS THE KEY !!

[DLA]

A brief synopsis of the article.

The main point: Most people are deficient in unrefined/unprocessed PEO's (Parent Essential Oils). Brian Peskin coined this term.

This term “Parent Essential Oils” refers to the only two true essential fatty acids: parent omega-6 (LA) and parent omega-3 (ALA). The term “parent” is used because these are the whole, unadulterated form of the only two essential fats your body demands, as they occur in nature. Once PEOs are consumed your body changes a small percentage of them—about 5%—into other biochemicals called “derivatives,” while leaving the remaining 95% in parent form.

The Parent Essential Oils have very important functions.

Supplementing with derivatives like fish oil can exacerbate health problems, resulting from a low Omega 3 (ALA)EPA/DHA) ratio.

Since many of the Omega 3 and Omega 6's we consume are processed, this can lead to a deficiency of the Parent Essential Oils, linoleic acid, and alpha-linolenic acid.

PEO's should be supplemented in a ratio of 1:1 to 2.5:1, Omega 6:Omega 3.

Most people don't supplement the PEO alpha-linolenic acid, making it doubly important.


Do I believe this guy? Not sure, but his research is compelling, and he has definitely done his homework. Most of the research is not his own. He has borrowed it from other scientists and freely admits this.

I don't trust Quackwatch at all. You'll notice almost every single "alternative" practicitioner is listed on that site. The fact that one is not in :mainstream" medicine is sufficient evidence to being labelled as a quack, apparently no matter how good the research.

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