Long Readbut Will Make You Think Twice About Fish Oils !!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Would not trust fish oil for more then 30 days because of oxidation of fats..
    hemp seed oil no more the 3 weeks
    flax seed oil less then 2 weeks
    Carlson says that there's has a shelf life of 3 mos. after opening as long as it is refrigerated.

    I frankly love the stuff. It has none of the obnoxious problems that go with other fish oils. I take it by the teaspoonful. It is lemon-flavored, but I think that it would have a neutral flavor even without the lemon flavoring. No fishy belches .... no belching at all, actually.

    Some people use it on salads. I don't because I view it as a supplement more than a food product. But I can see how they would.


    And, as I noted above, two teaspoons/day keep my triglyceride level at 50-75.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by cpeil2 View Post
    Carlson says that there's has a shelf life of 3 mos. after opening as long as it is refrigerated.

    I frankly love the stuff. It has none of the obnoxious problems that go with other fish oils. I take it by the teaspoonful. It is lemon-flavored, but I think that it would have a neutral flavor even without the lemon flavoring. No fishy belches .... no belching at all, actually.

    Some people use it on salads. I don't because I view it as a supplement more than a food product. But I can see how they would.


    And, as I noted above, two teaspoons/day keep my triglyceride level at 50-75.

    Fish oils will drop LDL and trigycerides like no other thats for sure. Can also lower total cholestrol as well.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Fish oils will drop LDL and trigycerides like no other thats for sure. Can also lower total cholestrol as well.
    Just got back from the Dr. and labs look good to the 3 soft gels I take of Fish Oil are not doing me any wrong.
    http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...v=&browse=&s=1

  4. Quote Originally Posted by pmgamer18 View Post
    Just got back from the Dr. and labs look good to the 3 soft gels I take of Fish Oil are not doing me any wrong.
    Costco - Kirkland Signature™ Enteric Coated Fish Oil Concentrate 200 Softgels
    Its the idiots that take "more is better approach" that have the problems not people that use what is recommended. Knowing that i have a clincal imbalance verified by testing I need to becareful with proper balancing. Why i stay 2:1 ratio of GLA/fish oils

  5. One of the guys at the H2 group looked into this guy and found this about him.
    ============================== ========
    I've got to take issue with the article. It makes a big deal about
    "negative" impacts of omega 3 oils suppressing immune function - but
    that is exactly why cardiologists and others recommend it. It reduces
    inflammation that is the start of coronary artery disease. It quiets
    allergic like reactions that are harmful to the body.

    SO what is really a sales brochure for is touting the very benefit of
    the oil as a negative . I'm sorry looking over the site makes me very
    skeptical of this guy. His site brags about him being a professor,
    but if you dig you find out he's an electrical engineer who was once
    an adjunct professor.
    http://www.brianpeskin.com/theprofessorsstory.html

    A further look shows he's been indicted for fraud:
    http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/Peskin/complaint.html
    http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/Peskin/peskin.html


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardian_j...173433,00.html
    "Jukes and his wife Fay were formerly involved in a pyramid diet
    scheme called Best of Health which was run from near Glasgow. Fay
    appeared in a "before" and "after" testimonial after she lost 22lbs in
    five months.

    Best of Health used the Radiant Health Diet from US "nutrition guru"
    Brian Peskin. In 2002, the Texas Attorney General charged Peskin with
    making misleading claims. Besides slamming the product, the law chief
    also alleged Peskin did not hold his claimed PhD; was not a research
    scientist or a professor. Best of Health sued Peskin.


    He's peddled every conceivable miracle - even cellulite remover:
    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-18700086.html


    I think I'll look to the American Heart Association over this guys
    writings.
    Quote Originally Posted by MarkLA View Post
    FYI: Link to PDF which is easier to read: http://www.brianpeskin.com/efa-analysis.pdf
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  6. Good job Phil!!

  7. Quote Originally Posted by pmgamer18 View Post
    One of the guys at the H2 group looked into this guy and found this about him.
    ============================== ========
    I've got to take issue with the article. It makes a big deal about
    "negative" impacts of omega 3 oils suppressing immune function - but
    that is exactly why cardiologists and others recommend it. It reduces
    inflammation that is the start of coronary artery disease. It quiets
    allergic like reactions that are harmful to the body.

    SO what is really a sales brochure for is touting the very benefit of
    the oil as a negative . I'm sorry looking over the site makes me very
    skeptical of this guy. His site brags about him being a professor,
    but if you dig you find out he's an electrical engineer who was once
    an adjunct professor.
    http://www.brianpeskin.com/theprofessorsstory.html

    A further look shows he's been indicted for fraud:
    http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/Peskin/complaint.html
    http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/Peskin/peskin.html


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardian_j...173433,00.html
    "Jukes and his wife Fay were formerly involved in a pyramid diet
    scheme called Best of Health which was run from near Glasgow. Fay
    appeared in a "before" and "after" testimonial after she lost 22lbs in
    five months.

    Best of Health used the Radiant Health Diet from US "nutrition guru"
    Brian Peskin. In 2002, the Texas Attorney General charged Peskin with
    making misleading claims. Besides slamming the product, the law chief
    also alleged Peskin did not hold his claimed PhD; was not a research
    scientist or a professor. Best of Health sued Peskin.


    He's peddled every conceivable miracle - even cellulite remover:
    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-18700086.html


    I think I'll look to the American Heart Association over this guys
    writings.
    Again for many that have insurance there are places that test RBC fatty acids and like for me it was a arude awakening..Going to get tested in another month or so to check the progress. Like any thing every thing in moderation.

  8. Kudos, Phil.

  9. Kudos, Phil.

    Please post your opinion on fish oil, dose and other supplements that need also be taken when supplementing with fish oil.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Kudos, Phil.

    Please post your opinion on fish oil, dose and other supplements that need also be taken when supplementing with fish oil.
    Too many fish oils create excessive lipid perioxidation hence increase free radicals with in the body so anything that fights free radicals is a plus..

  11. My thoughts exactly. And the part about fish oil being bad for diabetics is flat out wrong. I take it and it literally lowers my blood sugar. Looks like he is trying to sell something to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by pmgamer18 View Post
    One of the guys at the H2 group looked into this guy and found this about him.
    ============================== ========
    I've got to take issue with the article. It makes a big deal about
    "negative" impacts of omega 3 oils suppressing immune function - but
    that is exactly why cardiologists and others recommend it. It reduces
    inflammation that is the start of coronary artery disease. It quiets
    allergic like reactions that are harmful to the body.

    SO what is really a sales brochure for is touting the very benefit of
    the oil as a negative . I'm sorry looking over the site makes me very
    skeptical of this guy. His site brags about him being a professor,
    but if you dig you find out he's an electrical engineer who was once
    an adjunct professor.
    http://www.brianpeskin.com/theprofessorsstory.html

    A further look shows he's been indicted for fraud:
    http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/Peskin/complaint.html
    http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/Peskin/peskin.html


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardian_j...173433,00.html
    "Jukes and his wife Fay were formerly involved in a pyramid diet
    scheme called Best of Health which was run from near Glasgow. Fay
    appeared in a "before" and "after" testimonial after she lost 22lbs in
    five months.

    Best of Health used the Radiant Health Diet from US "nutrition guru"
    Brian Peskin. In 2002, the Texas Attorney General charged Peskin with
    making misleading claims. Besides slamming the product, the law chief
    also alleged Peskin did not hold his claimed PhD; was not a research
    scientist or a professor. Best of Health sued Peskin.


    He's peddled every conceivable miracle - even cellulite remover:
    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-18700086.html


    I think I'll look to the American Heart Association over this guys
    writings.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Lignans increase shbg
    Switch to hemp seed oil can use it long term with out upsetting balance
    What exactly is a lingan?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Too many fish oils create excessive lipid perioxidation hence increase free radicals with in the body so anything that fights free radicals is a plus..

    I only glanced at a few studies that show this, but it seems that, in most of them that showed increased lipid peroxidation, fish oil accounted for most of the fat in the subjects' diets. The takeaway: moderation.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by cpeil2 View Post
    I only glanced at a few studies that show this, but it seems that, in most of them that showed increased lipid peroxidation, fish oil accounted for most of the fat in the subjects' diets. The takeaway: moderation.
    POINT BEING MODERATION IS THE KEY !!

  15. A brief synopsis of the article.

    The main point: Most people are deficient in unrefined/unprocessed PEO's (Parent Essential Oils). Brian Peskin coined this term.

    This term “Parent Essential Oils” refers to the only two true essential fatty acids: parent omega-6 (LA) and parent omega-3 (ALA). The term “parent” is used because these are the whole, unadulterated form of the only two essential fats your body demands, as they occur in nature. Once PEOs are consumed your body changes a small percentage of them—about 5%—into other biochemicals called “derivatives,” while leaving the remaining 95% in parent form.

    The Parent Essential Oils have very important functions.

    Supplementing with derivatives like fish oil can exacerbate health problems, resulting from a low Omega 3 (ALA)EPA/DHA) ratio.

    Since many of the Omega 3 and Omega 6's we consume are processed, this can lead to a deficiency of the Parent Essential Oils, linoleic acid, and alpha-linolenic acid.

    PEO's should be supplemented in a ratio of 1:1 to 2.5:1, Omega 6:Omega 3.

    Most people don't supplement the PEO alpha-linolenic acid, making it doubly important.


    Do I believe this guy? Not sure, but his research is compelling, and he has definitely done his homework. Most of the research is not his own. He has borrowed it from other scientists and freely admits this.

    I don't trust Quackwatch at all. You'll notice almost every single "alternative" practicitioner is listed on that site. The fact that one is not in :mainstream" medicine is sufficient evidence to being labelled as a quack, apparently no matter how good the research.

    Dopamineloveaffair
    Last edited by DLA; 10-20-2007 at 02:54 PM. Reason: Forgot handle

  16. Is this supplement a complete solution

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    The Total EFA Junior is nutritionally complete with omega-6 GLA from Borage seed oil, omega-3 ALA from flaxseed oil and omega-3 EPA and DHA from Fish oil, plus omega-9 fatty acids. The easy to swallow 500 mg softgel is a convenient way for your children to get a comprehensive, well-balanced blend of EFA nutritional oils.

    Supplement Facts
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    Docosahexaenoic Acid [DHA] (omega-3) 18 mg

    Eicosapentaenoic Acid [EPA] (omega-3) 28 mg

    Gamma-Linolenic Acid [GLA] (omega-6) 40 mg

    Linoleic Acid (omega-6) 86 mg

    Oleic Acid (omega-9) 70 mg

    Ingredients: certified organic flaxseed oil, borage seed oil, fish oil, gelatin, glycerin, water and mixed tocopherols.


    Dosage and Use
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    Eight to ten, two to three softgels.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by DLA View Post
    A brief synopsis of the article.

    The main point: Most people are deficient in unrefined/unprocessed PEO's (Parent Essential Oils). Brian Peskin coined this term.

    This term “Parent Essential Oils” refers to the only two true essential fatty acids: parent omega-6 (LA) and parent omega-3 (ALA). The term “parent” is used because these are the whole, unadulterated form of the only two essential fats your body demands, as they occur in nature. Once PEOs are consumed your body changes a small percentage of them—about 5%—into other biochemicals called “derivatives,” while leaving the remaining 95% in parent form.

    The Parent Essential Oils have very important functions.

    Supplementing with derivatives like fish oil can exacerbate health problems, resulting from a low Omega 3 (ALA)EPA/DHA) ratio.

    Since many of the Omega 3 and Omega 6's we consume are processed, this can lead to a deficiency of the Parent Essential Oils, linoleic acid, and alpha-linolenic acid.

    PEO's should be supplemented in a ratio of 1:1 to 2.5:1, Omega 6:Omega 3.

    Most people don't supplement the PEO alpha-linolenic acid, making it doubly important.


    Do I believe this guy? Not sure, but his research is compelling, and he has definitely done his homework. Most of the research is not his own. He has borrowed it from other scientists and freely admits this.

    I don't trust Quackwatch at all. You'll notice almost every single "alternative" practicitioner is listed on that site. The fact that one is not in :mainstream" medicine is sufficient evidence to being labelled as a quack, apparently no matter how good the research.

    Dopamineloveaffair
    Any comments?

    The authors distinction that LA and ALA have the main biological functions (95%), as opposed to GLA, EPA, and DHA's minor roles, is interesting.

    As well, the small prevalence of unadulterated LA and ALA in our natural diet.

    Is this guy talking out of his ass, or may there be some truth to this? I'm not a big fan of authoritatively shooting down arguments.

    Dopamineloveaffair

    LOL Yes, I just quoted myself.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by DLA View Post
    Any comments?

    The authors distinction that LA and ALA have the main biological functions (95%), as opposed to GLA, EPA, and DHA's minor roles, is interesting.

    As well, the small prevalence of unadulterated LA and ALA in our natural diet.

    Is this guy talking out of his ass, or may there be some truth to this? I'm not a big fan of authoritatively shooting down arguments.

    Dopamineloveaffair

    LOL Yes, I just quoted myself.
    I found black current oil and hempseed oil to be the best for supplementing over all it has a 4:1 ratio of 6:3 ratio and may be 1 tsp of fish oils a 3 times a week if you eat fish in not then evry day is fine provided it is balanced with GLA with ratio of 2 GLA:1 (DHA/epa). Then there should be no issues

  19. Bump for nuclear ...
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  20. I don't know if this was mentioned already in this thread, but people shouldn't worry about balancing their EFA's at all when supplementing (i.e. balancing omega 3 with 6).Most diets are already ultra high in omega-6, unless you completely stay away from omega-6 rich veggies/grains and ONLY eat grass-fed beef.

    I used to use Udo's oil because it's balanced, but then realized that it's not necessary since omega 6 is plentiful in our food, if not too abundant.

    I only use omega 3 fish oil from - Stronger Faster Healthier

    They also have a great testing kit you can buy, to see if you're levels are correct/optimal:Omega-3 Index Assay - Stronger Faster Healthier

  21. OP's article was just a sales pitch. Sentences like, "I was amazed!" aren't science. Nor was there any actual significant data.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    I don't know if this was mentioned already in this thread, but people shouldn't worry about balancing their EFA's at all when supplementing (i.e. balancing omega 3 with 6).Most diets are already ultra high in omega-6, unless you completely stay away from omega-6 rich veggies/grains and ONLY eat grass-fed beef.

    I used to use Udo's oil because it's balanced, but then realized that it's not necessary since omega 6 is plentiful in our food, if not too abundant.

    I only use omega 3 fish oil from - Stronger Faster Healthier

    They also have a great testing kit you can buy, to see if you're levels are correct/optimal:Omega-3 Index Assay - Stronger Faster Healthier
    The body can fool you and it has many Doctors with common misinformation. Times have changed dramatically biologically speaking..
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by The Matrix View Post
    The body can fool you and it has many Doctors with common misinformation. Times have changed dramatically biologically speaking..
    I'm not sure what you mean here.

    All I know is that the typical diet is PACKED full of omega-6, unless you have a very organic, grain free diet. Most people only need to supplement with omega-3

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump

    I'm not sure what you mean here.

    All I know is that the typical diet is PACKED full of omega-6, unless you have a very organic, grain free diet. Most people only need to supplement with omega-3
    Due.to.evolution and toxic intervention from.modern men our.bodys are no.longer tolerating that of esikimo or.innuit lifestyle. Its back firing on majority of.clients and cases I am dealing with. To comprehend this.go.against general.principles and why everything i.have been mentioning almost a decade ago is.coming to.forefront of.medicine..
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.

  25. I don't live in the arctic though, and I am sure that I'm not living an innuit lifestyle. I don't eat only fish all day long and live in igloos or hunt. And I don't megadose omega 3 either.

    I'm still confused here??? I think we're on two different topics possibly.
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