Varicoceles - New Research & Findings
- 11-30-2007, 02:54 PM
- 11-30-2007, 04:31 PM
11-30-2007, 07:01 PM
11-30-2007, 08:08 PM
This is a very interesting thread. I am 33, left varicocele, with low T, high cortisol, hypothyroid. Currently using compounded TRT.
Doctors say the varicocele does not affect hormones, but I don't believe them. Do you have any references for your findings?? I think it would help a lot of guys to bring to their Dr's.
11-30-2007, 10:21 PM
Thanks for all the replies, nice to see this thread is still active.
I am going to be setting up a testicular and urological website and forum for men very soon. I will also build a collection of refrences and findings for varicoceles to help people present to there doctors, bear with me on this one.
There are definitelly links between hypothyroidism and varicocele. High cortisol is also strongly linked with over active adrenal cortex (due to the constant inflammation i expect).
de49152, can you please give me your full story. Did you experience shrinkage/atrophy, ED problems, penile shrinkage, low libido, hypothyroidism symptoms, dry skin, etc? Do you experience pain and discomfort with the varicocele?
Guy's, if possible give as much information as you can so we can all move forward.
12-01-2007, 12:23 AM
Within the last year, the varicocele started feeling uncomfortable. There was a constant heavy feeling, as well as pain during sex. The left testicle seemed smaller, but very rough due to vein dilation. Eventually my libido dropped, experienced ED, and also anxiety/insomnia. This caused me to visit the doc again, this time for blood tests.
My testosterone was in the low 400's which is low for a man in his early thirties. DHEA was also low, in the mid 200's. TSH was 2.1 which is borderline high (iodine deficient). Cortisol is high all day and night which explains the anxiety/insomnia (insomnia is the most miserable thing).
A couple of months ago I started taking compounded testosterone, DHEA, iodine, and seriphos (cortisol reducer). Things are improving, but not as fast as I hoped. I will be going back to talk about surgical options. I just hope its not too late for "lefty" to recover and start making T again.
I am planning to try USPLabs PowerFULL to help with sleep and to keep some natural T going... anyone else try it for varicocele related problems?
12-01-2007, 09:20 AM
12-01-2007, 09:57 AM
de49152--becareful, I took PowerFull for about 30-days and it made my varicocele worse. Off, and its better again.
12-01-2007, 03:55 PM
12-06-2007, 08:59 PM
I am very interested in your sources for hormonal imbalances caused by a varicocele. I'll be seeing a urologist soon for a possible surgical fix, and I'd love to bring some proof of the hormonal effects. Anything would be appreciated, please PM.
Also, do you think it can also cause anxiety/insomnia, because I never had it before the nut started hurting.
Thanks a bunch,
12-06-2007, 10:58 PM
12-07-2007, 09:07 AM
12-08-2007, 04:04 AM
Interesting... I was diagnosed as having a varicocele when I was around 18 years old. That was around the same time I started having some erectile dysfunction. Prior to that, in my late teen years, I would have very rigid erections. I have been battling with ED off and on over the years.
My testicles are still pretty good size. I believe my hormones are out of wack somehow. It is really hard to deal with as I am recently married and have a low libido. I also seem to have a long refractory period. Sometimes after I ejaculate, I seem to need days to reload.
Any suggestions? I have been considering paying a visit to Dr. Delgado or Dr. John to see if they can help me get my hormones on track? Is this a good idea?
12-08-2007, 12:25 PM
If your problems were varicocele induced, you might also consider surgical options to reduce it-- it's a fairly easy procedure, I have an appt. with a urologist next week, I'll keep you guys updated.
DISCLAIMER: I am not a doctor, and am offering opinions, not medical advice.
12-10-2007, 09:12 PM
Here are a couple of articles about varicoceles affecting adrenals (free registration required):
Basically, since varicoceles and adrenals share the same blocked veins, the problems can be related. Can't wait to get mine repaired!!!
12-13-2007, 02:03 PM
Just had my varicocele embolised yesterday at Addenbrookes and was wondering what everyone elses experiences were post embolisation?
At the moment got a slight backache and I can still see the varicose veins but it said that after a few weeks the veins should shrink down.
I know Megazoid you had the same operation so would be interested to hear from you.
12-14-2007, 03:36 PM
I'm going to my pre-op appt on tuesday, so I will keep you guys updated. I have kaiser, so I'll need to tell them it hurts like hell just to convince them to operate. That's just stretching the truth a little bit, it's more of a persistent discomfort.
I am interested in our blood hormone levels pre and post surgery. Probably 6 mos after should see some positive changes.
12-21-2007, 01:48 PM
Micro-Surgery Done ! YAY ! 12-13-07
12-21-2007, 01:53 PM
12-21-2007, 01:56 PM
12-21-2007, 02:00 PM
12-21-2007, 03:09 PM
One week on
Its been a week now since my embolisation and already it feels as if my libido have gone up quite dramatically. I had my sex hormone levels checked a couple of months back so will have to go back in a month or time to see how things have improved. Just noticing getting more frequent erections and thinking about sex all the time whereas before it was an effort for me to have sex and a sort of chore.
I can still see the veins though although hopefully these should shrink down soon.
So far pleased though.
12-21-2007, 08:55 PM
Good Job beckerj!!
Sounds less intrusive than when I had mine done 18+ years ago but I'm no worse for wear.
Give your body time to "absorb" the vein ..it'll take a couple months but it'll disappear and you will feel a lot better.
All..I think many of you are making a "mountain out of a mole hill" here...get the surgery done, plain and simple!
Here is what I posted earlier in this thread..read my experience.
12-22-2007, 02:34 PM
12-22-2007, 07:08 PM
I know what you mean about a mountain out of a mole hill .... I have to kinda disagree to a point .... I mean these urologists are kinda stumped in some ways it seems .... I went to 3 urologists and one interventional radiologist .... All 4 of them discounted the possibility of the varicocele causing the low Testosterone .... And I had the test results to show i was only 2 points above the abnormal cutoff .... As well as atrophy of the testis .... Mine have a volume of 10 and 11 .... When i asked about this, they said .... They are normal .... It is one thing to get the thing fixed, but because the Docs do not accept that the varicocele has caused harm to the testis we all with the issue are kinda left to our own devices .... It would be nice if there was some way we could all get together and list out the Docs we have encountered that take the condition seriously, and not just from the pain perspective .... I would like to know that my Doc feels the varicocele has caused the low T and will be following that healing as well as the scars left from the surgery ....
12-22-2007, 07:55 PM
Sorry for not keeping up to date on this thread. I am pleased to see that a few of the guy's here had the surgery.
My life was literally ruined my varicocele, so i seriously doubt i am making a fuss for nothing. I watched my nut's shrink up and my libido die in the space of a month. Varicocele is a very bad and dangerous condition that is grossly mis-diagnosed.
I plan on setting up a varicocele website + forum. We can have a personal stories section, good doctors/urologists, information with refrences (as posted here) and a few other thing's i have in mind (what work's/what dosen't).
I've been so busy with work and spending time in the studio that i haven't had a chance to get to work on this. I promise i will have something in place by the end of janurary though.
How many guy's suffered atrophy and roughly what percentage of atrophy occured? How many guy's recovered testicular size?
12-23-2007, 11:15 AM
I stumbled upon this website and forum and thank everyone very much for discussing the issue. I can give my story to date. I'm 30 years old and was diagnosed with a varicocele in high school during a sports physical. Over the years, I have gone to additional doctors due to the pain and discomfort, receiving the same diagnosis and the same "there is nothing to be done" answer (even when I have specifically requested to go to a urologist and denied--HMOs suck for this reason). Over the years I have experienced significant atrophy in left side and the left side is tiny. About a few weeks ago, all of the sudden, I experienced atrophy (i think it's significant) on the right side (not sure if this is caused by a varicocele on that side or affected by the one on the other side). Went to a urologist and had the blood work done. About to have another ultrasound done (had one done a few years ago--which will be a good measuring stick) then will go to discuss results this week with urologist. Everything feels limper and smaller these days. However, once in a while, it seems ok (for instance, woke up with wood this morning, which is rare). Not sure what all that means. But, I"m going to push for the surgery fast after reading all the posts in these varicocele forums. I will post bloodwork results when i get them. Thanks to everybody for posting information on this topic, which is why I think it's fair and important that I post my information.
(BTW, never taken any anabolic supplements/steroids in my entire life)
1) Has anybody ever experienced a reversal of the testicular atrophy and gained size back?
2) For those who had surgery (not embolization), were you awake or were you out for the surgery?
12-23-2007, 11:25 AM
Thanks for your post Harris, sorry to hear about your troubles. Many men are suffering due to varicocele, it's a horrible condition that can ruin life's without a man ever knowing why.
Any blood disturbances to the testicles WILL effect the leydig cell's, no matter what anyone say's. The actual atrophy usually only involves the sperm production part of the testicle (Which makes up 70/80% of the testicle).
How is your libido and do you experience other symptoms? How are erections?
12-23-2007, 11:30 AM
My understanding is depression and loss of interest in sex are two frequent symptoms. I definitely don't experience those. As far as erections go, I would say that they are not nearly as firm and it doesn't get as large as it once did (seems like not enough blood pumping into it), but I still can get erections, although it seems that sometimes I have to do more work to get them.
12-24-2007, 08:32 PM
As far as PH's/Steroids go I have found I have a much more difficult PCT. I never got my bloodwork done pre-anabolics, but post PCT my Test is not that great. Im not sure if i was never able to recover from the first time I used, or if it was like that before.
I am planning on not using again until after I have it corrected. I have noticed that my varicocele has gotten worse since the first time I took anabolics.
I would say go get the surgery or embolization, Im going next month. Im pretty sure my varicocele showed up after an athletic related injury late in high school, but never really started to bother me/become inflamed until i was 21
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