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    Quote Originally Posted by Das View Post
    Can you mention what effects you had? Did it cause shrinkage that didn't reverse on the effected side? Or just more pressure on the vericocele? Powerfull is a PH
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    Quote Originally Posted by de49152 View Post
    Megazoid,

    I am very interested in your sources for hormonal imbalances caused by a varicocele. I'll be seeing a urologist soon for a possible surgical fix, and I'd love to bring some proof of the hormonal effects. Anything would be appreciated, please PM.

    Also, do you think it can also cause anxiety/insomnia, because I never had it before the nut started hurting.

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    Interesting... I was diagnosed as having a varicocele when I was around 18 years old. That was around the same time I started having some erectile dysfunction. Prior to that, in my late teen years, I would have very rigid erections. I have been battling with ED off and on over the years.

    My testicles are still pretty good size. I believe my hormones are out of wack somehow. It is really hard to deal with as I am recently married and have a low libido. I also seem to have a long refractory period. Sometimes after I ejaculate, I seem to need days to reload.

    Any suggestions? I have been considering paying a visit to Dr. Delgado or Dr. John to see if they can help me get my hormones on track? Is this a good idea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fathom777 View Post
    Any suggestions? I have been considering paying a visit to Dr. Delgado or Dr. John to see if they can help me get my hormones on track? Is this a good idea?
    Fathom, find a doc that will do a complete blood panel and create a healthy treatment plan based on it, natural is best IMO.

    If your problems were varicocele induced, you might also consider surgical options to reduce it-- it's a fairly easy procedure, I have an appt. with a urologist next week, I'll keep you guys updated.

    DISCLAIMER: I am not a doctor, and am offering opinions, not medical advice.
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    Here are a couple of articles about varicoceles affecting adrenals (free registration required):

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum

    Basically, since varicoceles and adrenals share the same blocked veins, the problems can be related. Can't wait to get mine repaired!!!
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    Just had my varicocele embolised yesterday at Addenbrookes and was wondering what everyone elses experiences were post embolisation?

    At the moment got a slight backache and I can still see the varicose veins but it said that after a few weeks the veins should shrink down.

    I know Megazoid you had the same operation so would be interested to hear from you.
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    I'm going to my pre-op appt on tuesday, so I will keep you guys updated. I have kaiser, so I'll need to tell them it hurts like hell just to convince them to operate. That's just stretching the truth a little bit, it's more of a persistent discomfort.

    I am interested in our blood hormone levels pre and post surgery. Probably 6 mos after should see some positive changes.
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    Micro-Surgery Done ! YAY ! 12-13-07


    Quote Originally Posted by wildfox View Post
    Jason, have you had this taken care of yet? What method was/will be used? I'm thinking that coil embolism for myself. I'm going to a second urologist, as my current one (who's doing my TRT) doesn't seem interested in dealing with it.
    I did finally get it done .... I had consulted an Embolization DR. and did not like the fact that he was going to put 30 of these coils in me .... Plus after looking at the results over time the Micro-Surgery looked to be the more optimal procedure to have done .... For Me .... My first Urologist was the same .... He got the results from the Ultra Sound and said come back in December and we'll see how you are .... I got another urologist and he took the pain I was feeling into account and pressed to get it fixed .... I have so far been to 4 urologists and all of them DO NOT take this as serious as they should I feel .... I would really think about the Micro-Surgery before the Embolization .... I do not have the pain that I had prior to surgery, although when I mastur_ate there is a certain tightness at the base that I did not have before .... I think this is due to the incisions that were made .... I ended up having 20 ligated on the left side and 5 on the right .... I will say this .... I think I have about an inch back on my size that I had prior to the surgery that I lost and the erections I have are more firm now .... The only thing I have notice now is that the strength of the ejecatulate is no where as powerfull as it was prior to surgery, but that could be due to the muscles needing time to heal ..... My energy level is higher and I am not on the Wellbutrin as I was and not really seeing a need for it right now .... I am not as fatigued as I was, but I think I lost some of my strength over the past year tht I will have to build back up .... All in all I am VERY happy that I had it done ..... Well worth the time and pain to get it taken care of .... My Doc told me that it will be about 3 months before the veins shrivel up and be absobed back into my body .... E-Mail me .... I'd like to know how you get along .... beckerj@grangeinsurance.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by de49152 View Post
    This is a very interesting thread. I am 33, left varicocele, with low T, high cortisol, hypothyroid. Currently using compounded TRT.

    Doctors say the varicocele does not affect hormones, but I don't believe them. Do you have any references for your findings?? I think it would help a lot of guys to bring to their Dr's.

    Thanks.
    I brought all 4 Docs all kinds of studies and they never took the time to acknowledge them .... I say it is a crap shoot with Docs and this issue .... We might be better off going to an endocronologist .... They are better prepared to look at the individual results from Testosterone tests than a urologist that just goes with the "NORMAL" values ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by fathom777 View Post
    Interesting... I was diagnosed as having a varicocele when I was around 18 years old. That was around the same time I started having some erectile dysfunction. Prior to that, in my late teen years, I would have very rigid erections. I have been battling with ED off and on over the years.

    My testicles are still pretty good size. I believe my hormones are out of wack somehow. It is really hard to deal with as I am recently married and have a low libido. I also seem to have a long refractory period. Sometimes after I ejaculate, I seem to need days to reload.

    Any suggestions? I have been considering paying a visit to Dr. Delgado or Dr. John to see if they can help me get my hormones on track? Is this a good idea?
    I felt the same way with my ejactulate .... Needing days to reload .... Now I am shooting sometimes twice a day .... I had the micro surgery to fix my varicocle .... I think if you have not done the HRT then you should get it fixed and see what your T does afterwards .... I know I feel so much better now ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by de49152 View Post
    Megazoid,

    I am very interested in your sources for hormonal imbalances caused by a varicocele. I'll be seeing a urologist soon for a possible surgical fix, and I'd love to bring some proof of the hormonal effects. Anything would be appreciated, please PM.

    Also, do you think it can also cause anxiety/insomnia, because I never had it before the nut started hurting.

    Thanks a bunch,
    Dan
    I had all kinds of Anxiety before the surgery .... I have yet to mate and see if the anxiety is gone, but I think the anxiety was caused by a combination of ED issues associated with the varicoceles, and a fear of the pain that sometimes came with mating .... If I wanted to mate I had to take cialis and it had to be a very slow move into arrousal and penatration for it to be successful .... Otherwise I was too afraid of not staying hard and afraind that it was going to hurt afterwards ....
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    One week on


    Its been a week now since my embolisation and already it feels as if my libido have gone up quite dramatically. I had my sex hormone levels checked a couple of months back so will have to go back in a month or time to see how things have improved. Just noticing getting more frequent erections and thinking about sex all the time whereas before it was an effort for me to have sex and a sort of chore.

    I can still see the veins though although hopefully these should shrink down soon.

    So far pleased though.

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    Good Job beckerj!!


    Sounds less intrusive than when I had mine done 18+ years ago but I'm no worse for wear.
    Give your body time to "absorb" the vein ..it'll take a couple months but it'll disappear and you will feel a lot better.

    All..I think many of you are making a "mountain out of a mole hill" here...get the surgery done, plain and simple!

    Here is what I posted earlier in this thread..read my experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by RockyD View Post
    I had surgery on a left varicocele almost 20 years ago..one of the best things I ever did.
    The constant "dragging" sensation and the feeling of "worms" in my scrotum ,ie the varicocele, drove me to have the operation.

    The fear of atrophy is almost nonexistent since they no longer open up the scrotum to take care of the vein. They told me they stopped doing that in the late 1960's because of this risk.

    I have a small scar on my lower abdomen. All they did was cut the vein and tie it off. My body absorbed it over time and other veins had already taken over for the varicocele anyways. No atrophy . . just complete relief to this day.
    I would say have the operation. There's no reason to continue to suffer with this very treatable condition
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    Quote Originally Posted by brian82 View Post
    Its been a week now since my embolisation and already it feels as if my libido have gone up quite dramatically.
    That is good news. How was the recovery... painful? How long before you can have sex? How long before excercise/lifting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockyD View Post
    Sounds less intrusive than when I had mine done 18+ years ago but I'm no worse for wear.
    Give your body time to "absorb" the vein ..it'll take a couple months but it'll disappear and you will feel a lot better.

    All..I think many of you are making a "mountain out of a mole hill" here...get the surgery done, plain and simple!

    Here is what I posted earlier in this thread..read my experience.

    I know what you mean about a mountain out of a mole hill .... I have to kinda disagree to a point .... I mean these urologists are kinda stumped in some ways it seems .... I went to 3 urologists and one interventional radiologist .... All 4 of them discounted the possibility of the varicocele causing the low Testosterone .... And I had the test results to show i was only 2 points above the abnormal cutoff .... As well as atrophy of the testis .... Mine have a volume of 10 and 11 .... When i asked about this, they said .... They are normal .... It is one thing to get the thing fixed, but because the Docs do not accept that the varicocele has caused harm to the testis we all with the issue are kinda left to our own devices .... It would be nice if there was some way we could all get together and list out the Docs we have encountered that take the condition seriously, and not just from the pain perspective .... I would like to know that my Doc feels the varicocele has caused the low T and will be following that healing as well as the scars left from the surgery ....
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    Sorry for not keeping up to date on this thread. I am pleased to see that a few of the guy's here had the surgery.

    My life was literally ruined my varicocele, so i seriously doubt i am making a fuss for nothing. I watched my nut's shrink up and my libido die in the space of a month. Varicocele is a very bad and dangerous condition that is grossly mis-diagnosed.

    I plan on setting up a varicocele website + forum. We can have a personal stories section, good doctors/urologists, information with refrences (as posted here) and a few other thing's i have in mind (what work's/what dosen't).

    I've been so busy with work and spending time in the studio that i haven't had a chance to get to work on this. I promise i will have something in place by the end of janurary though.

    How many guy's suffered atrophy and roughly what percentage of atrophy occured? How many guy's recovered testicular size?
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    I stumbled upon this website and forum and thank everyone very much for discussing the issue. I can give my story to date. I'm 30 years old and was diagnosed with a varicocele in high school during a sports physical. Over the years, I have gone to additional doctors due to the pain and discomfort, receiving the same diagnosis and the same "there is nothing to be done" answer (even when I have specifically requested to go to a urologist and denied--HMOs suck for this reason). Over the years I have experienced significant atrophy in left side and the left side is tiny. About a few weeks ago, all of the sudden, I experienced atrophy (i think it's significant) on the right side (not sure if this is caused by a varicocele on that side or affected by the one on the other side). Went to a urologist and had the blood work done. About to have another ultrasound done (had one done a few years ago--which will be a good measuring stick) then will go to discuss results this week with urologist. Everything feels limper and smaller these days. However, once in a while, it seems ok (for instance, woke up with wood this morning, which is rare). Not sure what all that means. But, I"m going to push for the surgery fast after reading all the posts in these varicocele forums. I will post bloodwork results when i get them. Thanks to everybody for posting information on this topic, which is why I think it's fair and important that I post my information.

    (BTW, never taken any anabolic supplements/steroids in my entire life)

    Two questions:
    1) Has anybody ever experienced a reversal of the testicular atrophy and gained size back?

    2) For those who had surgery (not embolization), were you awake or were you out for the surgery?
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    Thanks for your post Harris, sorry to hear about your troubles. Many men are suffering due to varicocele, it's a horrible condition that can ruin life's without a man ever knowing why.

    Any blood disturbances to the testicles WILL effect the leydig cell's, no matter what anyone say's. The actual atrophy usually only involves the sperm production part of the testicle (Which makes up 70/80% of the testicle).

    How is your libido and do you experience other symptoms? How are erections?
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    My understanding is depression and loss of interest in sex are two frequent symptoms. I definitely don't experience those. As far as erections go, I would say that they are not nearly as firm and it doesn't get as large as it once did (seems like not enough blood pumping into it), but I still can get erections, although it seems that sometimes I have to do more work to get them.
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    As far as PH's/Steroids go I have found I have a much more difficult PCT. I never got my bloodwork done pre-anabolics, but post PCT my Test is not that great. Im not sure if i was never able to recover from the first time I used, or if it was like that before.

    I am planning on not using again until after I have it corrected. I have noticed that my varicocele has gotten worse since the first time I took anabolics.

    I would say go get the surgery or embolization, Im going next month. Im pretty sure my varicocele showed up after an athletic related injury late in high school, but never really started to bother me/become inflamed until i was 21
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    Okay it has been about two weeks since my surgery .... I still have pain especially with erections at the base .... I had a bilateral Varicocele so I have two incisions just above my penis ....
    My questions are for those who have had theirs fixed ....

    At what point did you see the improvements in your erections and the ED fading away ?

    Is the ED issue gone totally or is it something that we are now cursed with because we had varicoceles ?

    I beleive that mine was only present noticibly for about a year, whereas most of the others that are posting seems to have had theirs for years .... Does anyone think that the time frame in which these are corrected could improve the chances for a full recovery ?

    Has anyone that has gone on T-RT as a result of the recovery failing and kinda forced onto T-HT ?

    Thanks for your answers ....
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    I've setup another message board and invite all.


    http://varicocelesupport.activeboard.com/

    Very new and nothing happening yet, but hopefully we can get it rolling and get some good info.
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    Beck's website is worth checking out if you have a varicocele. I'm still struggling with mine and currently looking for a new doc that is up to date on surgery techniques and will do a full run of blood tests for hormone levels. The farther away from a city you are the harder it is to find one (it seems). The last urologist I went to said since sperm count is within acceptable range I'm fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zues View Post
    The last urologist I went to said since sperm count is within acceptable range I'm fine.
    Tell them it hurts constantly. My doc said they will operate for fertility or pain.
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    I have had 2 varicocele operations. One when I was 13 the other when I was 20. And yes I still have the problem. What a shock!

    I am now 29 and getting ready to have a embolization done this Friday 1/11.

    I've noticed the pain had been slowly getting worse. Mainly when I workout and for a few hours after I work out.

    Part of me thinks I shouldnt get it done but the other part of me doesnt want to screw around and cause testical damage.

    Back when I was 20 I was told my testical that had the varicocele had slightly atrophied. But when I had an ultrasound last year and

    the year before I was told they are the same size. So apparently my shrinkage reversed.

    Dont want that to happen again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markm455 View Post
    I am now 29 and getting ready to have a embolization done this Friday 1/11
    I think you're making the right decision. I am having the same thing done in the next couple of weeks as soon as they can schedule me. My story is above (I changed my username from 'de49152' to 'LeanGuy').

    Basically I have a lot of shrinkage on that side as well as a test level around 300 and I am only 33!! I've never done steroids, so I blame the varicocele even though most doctors deny it. I've lived with this problem for years, and only wish I'd fixed it sooner.

    Planning to do some HCG after healing to reverse the shrinkage and hopefully restore my natural test levels, my FSH & LH are still good. I am using compounded test gel in the mean time but it's not working well, seems to not be absorbing.

    Good luck Mark, and let's keep updating this thread with our progress and results.

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    I woud not do the Embolization .... IT seems like the easy way ... but from what I have read the micro-surgery is the best option .... I had mine done on Dec 14 .... I am pretty well healed ... although waiting for the T to come back to where it shouldbe ....
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    how do we get HCG ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by beckerj View Post
    I woud not do the Embolization .... IT seems like the easy way ... but from what I have read the micro-surgery is the best option
    Got any links comparing the methods? My urologist said embolization is the latest & greatest option for this problem.
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    Prescription only, injections.
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    Thanks for the feedback leanguy and beckerj.

    I am currently limited to the embolization. At least that what the urologist told me. Due to my past 3 surgeries (I had 2 verico surgeries and 1 for a hydrocele created from the verico's) the doc advised it would be best to do embolization because of scar tissue in groin area from the other operations.

    I am so sick of having to deal with this crap. I hope this 4th freakin surgury gets the job done!
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    Quote Originally Posted by markm455 View Post
    I am so sick of having to deal with this crap. I hope this 4th freakin surgury gets the job done!
    I hear ya... I'm gonna follow the doc's advice, I'm set up for embolization a week after you.
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    Guess we are all suffering together

    I just try and tell myself that their are lots worse health problems to have... but it still pisses me off.

    I will be sure to keep you guys posted on how it turns out.
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    I am going to urologist tomorrow to try to get a referal to a doctor who does the more effective micro surgery. Anyone have a list of what blood testing I should have done? Has anyone had before and after surgery bloodwork done? Also, how are u guys doing after your surgery or embolization?
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    My micro surgery went well .... Doc ligated 20 on my left and 7 on my right .... Let me just say that before the surgery was HELL and not the same person .... It has now been a full month of recovery .... I can tell a significant difference in my mind and a slight difference in my sexual health .... Doc has ordered a follow up testosterone test in march ....
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    Beckerj, How was your physical recovery? I work a very physical job 7 days a week and was wondering about how long I might be laid up.
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    To be honest you will not want to lift anything over the weight of a 24 pack of pop for about 3 to 6 weeks .... You gotta remember that once those veins are ligated that they are going to start using the smaller peripheral viens .... Too much exertion on them from the get go could cause another varicocele to form .... I have been VERY careful not to lift unless i had to .... As for the stuck in bed part that was only a couple of days .... to be honest though I would do it again ....
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    I just had my embolization done earlier today!! The only painful part was the IV... I hate them. But so far I am very happy-- I can already tell the pressure has been released on the "bag of worms" and it has shrunken considerably. Can't wait to see if my atrophy reverses. I'll keep updating my progress.
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    Way to Go LeanGuy .... I saw on another thread though that you are trying all kinds of different supplements to kick start your boys .... If I were you I would stop all of them and just start taking pycogynol and a b complex .... I too have been trying STUFF and let's just say I hope I have not wrecked my natural progress .... I tried the sustain alpha for 5 days last week and wanted to do "Something" this weekend with the other half and let's just say that I had similar feelings of anxiety that I did before the surgery .... So I think adding all the supplements we are may hurt us in the long run .... I am not taking anything now but the pygcogynol and the b complex .... I am waiting on the tongkat ali and that will be the last thing I try .... other than that I am going to let my body fix itself and try my best to be patient .... GOD that is the hardest part .... the waiting ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by beckerj View Post
    the pygcogynol and the b complex .... I am waiting on the tongkat ali and that will be the last thing I try .... other than that I am going to let my body fix itself and try my best to be patient .... GOD that is the hardest part .... the waiting ....
    What is pycnogynol supposed to do for hormones? I do have some here.

    I am going to try a clomid script, because its not supressive, and can hopefully reverse some of the atropy I've experienced from this varicocele.

    Yeah, waiting sucks. Some days I am so sick of having low T, I want to go to the doc and say "just gimme the damn shots"!!
    Would probably regret that decision without knowing if the "boyz" can recover on their own.
  

  
 

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