Should I go on HRT? Take 2
- 10-10-2007, 04:52 PM
Should I go on HRT? Take 2
Recap from old thread:
I am 38 years old and starting to show the signs of (aging) lower test levels. I still have a great body, strong as a bull, and have never used any steriods. I don't say this to brag just as backround information. It has been a lot harder lately to stay in shape, having problems sleeping, don't have the libido I once had, don't have the mental clarity I once had, recovery is horrible, jewels have gotten smaller, and most heart breaking I can not stay awake around 4:00 PM. No drugs or alcohol problems ever. I have had serious blows and injuries to the body thou. An MRI of my head was done and everything came back OK. Aches and pains in the joints and muscles are getting worse and worse.
My blood work was at taken at 10:30 AM
total was at 429 ng/dL reference scale of 241-827
free was at 15.8 PG/ml reference scale of 8.7 - 25
New blood work done at 1:30 PM (8 months later) after not eating for 5 hours and previously only having a light breakfast.
Total test:_________ 362 ng/dl 241-827
Free test _________ 15 pg/ml 8.7-25
T4 (free) _________ 1.14 ng/dl .61 - 1.76
T4 _________ 6.6 ug/dl 4.5 - 12
T3 _________ 106 ng/dl 85-205
Estradiol _________ 25 pg/ml 0 - 53
TSH _________ 1.624 uIU/ml .350 - 5.5
LH _________ 3.4 miu/ml 1.5 - 9.3
FSH _________ 2.5 miu/ml 1.4 - 18.1
IGF-1 _______________ 227 ng/ml 109-284
Glucose _________ 91 mg/dl 65 - 99
What do you guys think? By the way doctor already said I could benefit from TRT?
Last edited by Nemesis RR; 10-10-2007 at 10:09 PM. Reason: Left out IGF-1
- 10-10-2007, 05:03 PM
Nemesis.... Did you read my post to you on the other board??
- 10-10-2007, 05:18 PM
10-10-2007, 05:30 PM
And when I continued to wake up tired and - for the first time in my life - had to FAKE being on top of my game, I drew labs too.
Mine are very similar to yours.
The way I see it, you have three options:
1. Do nothing and continue to deteriorate (is this really an option?)
2. Try to ramp up natural production via hCG
3. Hit the test.
I started transdermals a few weeks ago. There's lots to consider and it's a personal decision. I have more energy, but would not say my agressiveness is back yet. I am better, though for sure.
I appreciate your dilemma, I probably had all the same thoughts. Do I want to do this the rest of my life, etc...
In it's simplest form, if I had to choose between doing nothing, feeling worse or taking test and trying to be "me" again, well, you know what I chose.
As a bonus, I not only think it's safe, I think it is healthier than having low test.
Just my unprofessional 2 cents.
Good luck whatever you do.
10-10-2007, 06:17 PM
The younger they are the more time they waste considering that faith did not play fair in their case.
(alpha male personality have a HUGE bearing on my income and future retirement package)
Make an substantial effort to retire early.
Set your self a yearly spending goal.
Multiply that x25
Save like crazy to get the 25x.
Invest in something that you do not have to watch too often.
Be your own man do what pleases you.
Make sure that you get there on your 45th birthday.
Jan's BloodTest April13/2007
Do the whole blood test list.
E-mail the list to your doctor and ask that hi prints it on his office stationary and sign it.
Go to Quest Diagnostics draw blood there.
Do the Genova
(GDX - Metabolic Analysis Profile) including (GDX - Cellular Energy Profile)
ONE Optimal Nutrition Evaluation
(there are some overlaps, do each test once only)
we will discuss them here and figure out how to help you.
Full bore help for the body is better, in my view, rather than trickling type.
strong as a bull
10-10-2007, 06:24 PM
10-10-2007, 06:33 PM
10-10-2007, 07:08 PM
10-10-2007, 08:00 PM
Low Free test
Estradiol wrong test
To little information to figure out most anything.
On another board you talk about taking steroids, forget about it, the sooner the better.
Should I do a cycle before HRT? - Anabolic Steroids and Bodybuilding
10-10-2007, 08:35 PM
It is obvious that your T is low. However, your tests are incomplete
Your T is way too low for a 38 yt old man. However, to say more we'd need to see DHT, SHBG, IGF-1, DHEAS and even cortisol. People with low shbg tend to do OK with lower T afaik.
In any event, your presence here and post says it all. You know in your gut that something is amiss. I'm no Dr, but low T sure as hell looks like a factor. The issue, of course, is WHY is it low. Ever take Propecia for hair loss? Any other drugs like SSRIs/ Anything else? You'd be surprised what can effect you. Check your prolactin and iron levels as well to rule out tumors and hemechromatosis.
Don;t rush into TRT just yet. Try to find the root cause and fix it. If not possible then take then next steps.
10-10-2007, 08:40 PM
What would propecia have to do with it? I see this come up a lot.
10-10-2007, 08:49 PM
Knowing the possible downsides, I would not have taken it myself. IMHO Better to be bald than have f**ed up hormones.
http://www.propeciahelp.com has forums dedicated to finasteride recovery.
10-10-2007, 10:04 PM
Take one look at Dr Shippen's face when you mention "Propecia" and you'll know.
10-10-2007, 10:05 PM
Also I saw the same symptons in our father.
I have added IGF-1 but cannot find the other tests. I will look further and contact my doctor as they were requested.
10-10-2007, 10:12 PM
10-11-2007, 12:08 AM
I took Finesteride and Dutasterid in the past, but had to quit due to side effects.
But when i quit all my sides went away. I went on and off the drugs a bunch of times to see if i would get the sides again.
In may i took my last Dutasteride pill, and then for the first time ever, started taking heavy stimulants, then i ended up crashing and getting adrenal fatigue, very low DHEA-S and Cortisol in normal range, although on the higher side.
Dont know if Dutasteride played a role in this, but i was a lot more prone to stress while on it.
The fact that Nemesis RR said he took Finesteride, scares the crap out of me because he's like the 100th guy who used Finesteride, and is having these problems.
I dont get it, you are only lowering DHT and when you stop taking the drug DHT levels will return to normal, and everything should return to normal.
I think a possible remedy to counter the sides if you want to take propecia or avodart, is to use low dose testosterone with an aromatase inhibitor?
10-11-2007, 06:46 AM
There is no remedy for Propecia/Finistaride effects
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