How many of you has this occured too

[hardasnails1973]

I speculate that this may be pattern alot of guys may have fallen in over the past years. Understand that this is a simplified version with out all the neurological adaptions that may have gone on (glutemate increase , yada yada) which can also start the cascade

dietary imbalances defieincies, daily stress over training , under eating, excessive cardio-elevated cortisol - suppressing thyroid (t4 to t3 conversion) and testosterone - leading into adrenal fatigue and altered estrogen metabolism

 

[BigAk]

HAN....

You know we share this thing in common... along with many hundreds of bodybuilders around the country.

 

[RPHMark]

Pretty sure this is basically what happened to me when I started to work out hard again (about 3 months after starting), but I did not realize my Testosterone was low. The result was feeling horrible and pain in all my joints. Once I raised my calories some and took a week off while starting TRT things have been much better.

 

[bioman]

Probably was in this pattern in my early 20's when I would work out hard 5x a week and not eat very well.

These days, I feel pretty good and maybe lift 2x per week. If I push much harder than that...my energy levels go away completely and I feel like hell.

Probably am low on T though. Thyroid seems to be doing well (based on tests and feel) and adrenals have been MUCH better (judging by feel) since my new baby put me on a more diurnal schedule. I'm up at dawn and in bed by 930 pm and I feel waaay better.

 

[JanSz]

I speculate that this may be pattern alot of guys may have fallen in over the past years. Understand that this is a simplified version with out all the neurological adaptions that may have gone on (glutemate increase , yada yada) which can also start the cascade

dietary imbalances defieincies, daily stress over training , under eating, excessive cardio-elevated cortisol - suppressing thyroid (t4 to t3 conversion) and testosterone - leading into adrenal fatigue and altered estrogen metabolism

I am not a body builder and I do not exercise excessively.
but

in 1993 I was told that I will be out of my company in 4 years.

Since that time my focus changed.
I was overweight 15-20 pounds at the time (by my standards).
Started with long lunch hours, more like 2-3 hours, at first long walks then running.

Latter I remember running in close to 100F heat my normal 6 miles runs and then bouncing tennis ball off the wall afterward.

I remember having runners high often.

I think that "runners high" must have been what did me in.

I buy your theory, HAN.

 

[engival]

i wrestled for since i was 5 up until i graduated, lots of working out and lots of cutting weight.