LEF DIM I3C, "bad" 16 alpha-hydroxyestrone

[JanSz]

Current, November 07, LEF magazine is not on the web as I am writting this.
Nice discussion on 2/16 hydroxyestrones


There is new supplement that I learned about.
Breast Health Formula
60 vegetarian capsules
Item Catalog Number: 999
Breast Health Formula, 60 Vegetarian Capsules

They specifically mention there the:
the "good" 2-hydroxyestrone and the "bad" 16 alpha-hydroxyestrone.

My problem,
untill now I was using
Dual-Action Cruciferous Vegetable Extract With Cat's Claw
60 vegetarian capsules
Item Catalog Number: 968
Le Magazine November 1999

Both products have identical DIM content
and similar Cruciferous Vegetable Blend.

But the new product is probaly more focussed.

I just bough fresh supply of DualAction
so I am going to continue taking it, but I have to get the new product.

Question/problem;
currenty I am taking 4 DualAction and 1000iu vit D3

New plan (until DualAction and D3 supplies run out, approx 3 months)
2 pills DualAction
2 pills Breast Health Formula
1-1000iu D3

latter change to
3 or four pills Breast Health Formula

Comments???
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My Estroessence results are expected any day,
should have more solid basis for even more changes.
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Breast Health Formula

Supplement Facts
Serving Size 2 vegetarian capsules

Servings Per Container 30

Amount Per Serving
Vitamin D (as cholecalciferol)
1000 IU

Calcium (as Calcium D-Glucarate)
16.5 mg

Iodine (as potassium iodide)
2 mg

Phytoestrogens (isoflavones) and Group-B Saponins [from 111.5 mg SoySelect® soybean (Glycine max) 70:1 extract]
34.5 mg

Proprietary Cruciferous Vegetable Blend
550 mg

Broccoli (Brassica oleracea l.) GMO-free Extract [std. to 4% glucosinolates]

Watercress (Nasturtium officinale) 4:1 extract (leaf)

Sawasabi™ Wasabi (Wasabia japonica) powder (rhizome) [std. to 12,000 ppm Total Isothiocyanate]

Calcium D-Glucarate
137.5 mg

Indole-3-Carbinol
100 mg

Proprietary Enterolactone Precursors Blend

25 mg

HMRlignan™ Norway spruce (Picea abies) lignan extract (knot wood) [std. to 90% Hydroxymatairesinol potassium acetate complex]

Secoisolariciresinol diglucoside (SDG) [from ActiFlax™ flax lignan (Linum Usitatissimum L.) extract (seed)]

DIM (3, 3-Bis (indolyl)methane)
14 mg


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Dual-Action Cruciferous Vegetable Extract With Cat's Claw

Supplement Facts
Serving Size 1 capsule

Servings Per Container 60

Amount Per Serving
Broccoli (Brassica oleracea l.) Super Concentrate Extract
400 mg

(plants and sprouts) [std. to 4% glucosinolates (16 mg)]


Watercress (Nasturtium officinale) 4:1 Extract (leaf)
100 mg

Indole-3-Carbinol (I3C)
80 mg

Rosemary (Rosmarinus officinalis) Extract (leaves)
50 mg

[std. to 20% diterpenic compounds (10 mg), providing


carnosic acid/carnosol]


Cat's Claw (Uncaria tomentosa) Extract (bark)
50 mg

[std. to 8% carboxy alkyl esters (4 mg)]


DIM (Di-indolyl-methane)
14 mg
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[hardasnails1973]

Better off just using DIM and iodoral, calcium d glucurate cheaper and you know it clinically works ...and IC3 if you have thyroid and adrenal issues stomach acids can not break it down any way to dim so its wasted.

I use
1000 BID calcium d glucruate by biotics research
50 mgs iodoral
400-600 mgs DIM bioresponse
400 mgs SAM-E BID drs best
2 tsp fish oils
covers all my basis

My main problem is undermethyatation and build up of 4 and 16 hydroxy estrones and not being able to methyate them..

 

[bioman]

Methyl B12 shots would probably smooth that out. They're amazing but now next to impossible to get.

 

[hardasnails1973]

Methyl B12 shots would probably smooth that out. They're amazing but now next to impossible to get.

Not sublingual ?

 

[methodice]

Hardasnails, how did you find this out about yourself?

"My main problem is undermethyatation and build up of 4 and 16 hydroxy estrones and not being able to methyate them.."

 

[hardasnails1973]

Hardasnails, how did you find this out about yourself?

"My main problem is undermethyatation and build up of 4 and 16 hydroxy estrones and not being able to methyate them.."

It is roughly estimated that 60% of people are either undermethyated or slow converters. First it showed up in a urine test that drs could not freaken read and after 6 months of research I figured out that "how can I have a folic acid deficiency when i have an over load of folic acid in my blood" I was not coverting it to proper form. Majority of bodybuilders are undermethyated and would respond good to 400 mgs sam-e BID with 500 mg BID TMG. TMG will only work if you are not zinc deficient other wise your body does not reciruclate properly and it gets diverted to other pathways. I knew I was undermethylated because of my low homocysteine levels but trying to convinece drs was like a vigin trying to get laid in nun's house. So i finally had the estroessence test done and it just further confirmed it that I was not methyated the estrogen and also 16/2 ratio was altered because of lack of fish oils (long story),

Reason I got ito this mess in the first place was excessive flax seed oil from YEARS of consumption reducing arachondinc acid and then taking more fish oils on top of it with out dr check to see what was going on. I self induced insulin resistance through dietary imbalnces (ca/mg, zn,). The excessive flax seed oil over time caused a zinc defiecny due to the fact that I was low on arachondonic acid which is needed to absorb zinc in the digestion track and transport it to the cells was low couple that with loe melatioin and serotnin imbalnces fueling undermetylation even more..

 

[JanSz]

Hardasnails, how did you find this out about yourself?

"My main problem is undermethyatation and build up of 4 and 16 hydroxy estrones and not being able to methyate them.."

My post #44

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jans-bloodtest-april13-2.html

contains (among other tests)

EstroEssence
and
(GDX - Metabolic Analysis Profile) including (GDX - Cellular Energy Profile)

(I also included the ICD-9 codes that hopefully will help getting them pay by insurance.)

Read the sample reports for this tests, they include sample interpretations, suggestions for corrective actions and suggestions for further testing.
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I am waiting for the reports on this three tests, will post the results here.
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Genova also have a test
ONE Optimal Nutrition Evaluation
GDX ONE - Optimal Nutrition Evaluation
Sample report
http://www.gdx.net/home/images/reportpdf/ONE.pdf

I found about this test after my above three tests were already ordered.
This test (ONE) look really promissing, any comments?

 

[bioman]

Not sublingual ?

I don't have blood work to confirm so this is iffy but..

After having used both for the last year or so, I have to say I hardly feel the effects of sublinguals at all compared to injectible. I've taken upwards of 10 mg per day of sublinguals just to get a little energy going but one mL of mB-12 pinned has me rearing to go within an hour.

Also, the sub form isn't nearly as effective as pinned for allergies.

I've read that sub MB-12 is 3x better absorbed than cyanocobalamin..but 3x better than 0 is still 0.

Might be worth a try if you can get some from a naturopath.

 

[hardasnails1973]

I don't have blood work to confirm so this is iffy but..

After having used both for the last year or so, I have to say I hardly feel the effects of sublinguals at all compared to injectible. I've taken upwards of 10 mg per day of sublinguals just to get a little energy going but one mL of mB-12 pinned has me rearing to go within an hour.

Also, the sub form isn't nearly as effective as pinned for allergies.

I've read that sub MB-12 is 3x better absorbed than cyanocobalamin..but 3x better than 0 is still 0.

Might be worth a try if you can get some from a naturopath.

I had access to from my dr...

 

[JanSz]

I had access to from my dr...

HAN
on my last visit my doctor said that he have all kind of intravenous substances that I may consider in the future.
That is after the results from
(GDX - Metabolic Analysis Profile) including (GDX - Cellular Energy Profile)
tests are known.
That is during 1/2 to 1 hr in the office session when the intravenous dripping is taking place.
At first he suggested I may try vitamin C but he said he have other substances.

Any idea what he was talking about?
Is this any good?

 

[bioman]

intra V vitamin C sounds pretty cool. Charles Poliquin has written about it quite a bit and there's quite a few info sources on the web.

 

[hardasnails1973]

HAN
on my last visit my doctor said that he have all kind of intravenous substances that I may consider in the future.
That is after the results from
(GDX - Metabolic Analysis Profile) including (GDX - Cellular Energy Profile)
tests are known.
That is during 1/2 to 1 hr in the office session when the intravenous dripping is taking place.
At first he suggested I may try vitamin C but he said he have other substances.

Any idea what he was talking about?
Is this any good?

Try myers cocktail with gluthione push 2-3 grams to start out with with 1 cc methycobalmin 1 cc folonic acid.

 

[JanSz]

Try myers cocktail with gluthione push 2-3 grams to start out with with 1 cc methycobalmin 1 cc folonic acid.

Thank you.
Do you have any links to the description of what that does.

 

[hardasnails1973]

Thank you.
Do you have any links to the description of what that does.

It basically I multi vitamin /mineral IV which helps detoxify heavy metals and rejuvenates cellular damage..It used for autism and minor detoxifcation..Gluthione is strongest antioxident in body and gets depleted as we age due to enviormant and cellular damages

 

[Scottyo]

what about IV mag?

 

[JanSz]

what about IV mag?

What is IV mag?

 

[hardasnails1973]

What is IV mag?

Magneisum IV its in the myers cocktail. IV mg is good stuff too but verfiy VIa WBC mineral testing ..

 

[JanSz]

Magneisum IV its in the myers cocktail. IV mg is good stuff too but verfiy VIa WBC mineral testing ..

Intravenous Nutrient Therapy: the "Myers’ Cocktail"

Myer's Cocktail



Intravenous Nutrient Therapy: the "Myers’ Cocktail"

By Alan R. Gaby, M.D.

Abstract

Building on the work of the late John Myers, MD, the author has used an intravenous vitamin-and-mineral formula for the treatment of a wide range of clinical conditions. The modified “Myers’ cocktail,” which consists of magnesium, calcium, B vitamins, and vitamin C, has been found to be effective against acute asthma attacks, migraines, fatigue (including chronic fatigue syndrome), fibromyalgia, acute muscle spasm, upper respiratory tract infections, chronic sinusitis, seasonal allergic rhinitis, cardiovascular disease, and other disorders. This paper presents a rationale for reviews the relevant published clinical research, describes the author’s clinical experiences, and discusses potential side effects and precautions. (Alternative Medical Review 2002;7(5):389-403)


Index of topics;

Introduction
Theoretical Basis for IV Nutrient Therapy
The Modified Myers’ Cocktail
Table 1. Nutrients in Myers’ Cocktail
Asthma
Migraine
Fatigue
Fibromyalgia
Depression
Cardiovascular Disease
Upper Respiratory Tract Infections
Seasonal Allergic Rhinitis
Narcotic Withdrawal
Chronic Urticaria
Athletic Performance
Hyperthyroidism
Other Conditions
Choice of Ingredients and Administration
Side Effects and Precautions
Cost Considerations
Conclusion
References
Send for Article
Copyright

 

[hardasnails1973]

Intravenous Nutrient Therapy: the "Myers’ Cocktail"

Myer's Cocktail



Intravenous Nutrient Therapy: the "Myers’ Cocktail"

By Alan R. Gaby, M.D.

Abstract

Building on the work of the late John Myers, MD, the author has used an intravenous vitamin-and-mineral formula for the treatment of a wide range of clinical conditions. The modified “Myers’ cocktail,” which consists of magnesium, calcium, B vitamins, and vitamin C, has been found to be effective against acute asthma attacks, migraines, fatigue (including chronic fatigue syndrome), fibromyalgia, acute muscle spasm, upper respiratory tract infections, chronic sinusitis, seasonal allergic rhinitis, cardiovascular disease, and other disorders. This paper presents a rationale for reviews the relevant published clinical research, describes the author’s clinical experiences, and discusses potential side effects and precautions. (Alternative Medical Review 2002;7(5):389-403)


Index of topics;

Introduction
Theoretical Basis for IV Nutrient Therapy
The Modified Myers’ Cocktail
Table 1. Nutrients in Myers’ Cocktail
Asthma
Migraine
Fatigue
Fibromyalgia
Depression
Cardiovascular Disease
Upper Respiratory Tract Infections
Seasonal Allergic Rhinitis
Narcotic Withdrawal
Chronic Urticaria
Athletic Performance
Hyperthyroidism
Other Conditions
Choice of Ingredients and Administration
Side Effects and Precautions
Cost Considerations
Conclusion
References
Send for Article
Copyright

See i have been around the naturopathic and alternative medicine block alot more then majority of drs..

 

[bioman]

Children who take FlintStones vitamins are already more experienced than most Drs in alternative treatments