Has ANYONE Recovered Their HPTA?

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Anyone that has had secondary Hypogonadism, or has been on HRT, or just simply shut down for a while following a cycle... has anyone in this situation recovered their HPTA and is now functioning (atleast somewhat) normal? I've gone to many forums throughout the years and haven't been able to find anyone to respond and say they recovered? Someone out there has to have done it because if not, why would there be even any restart protocols? It would really be a big help and inspiration to know if anyone has gotten back to normal, even if its just one person... So please if you could help, let me know, thanks a lot bros
 
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Anyone that has had secondary Hypogonadism, or has been on HRT, or just simply shut down for a while following a cycle... has anyone in this situation recovered their HPTA and is now functioning (atleast somewhat) normal? I've gone to many forums throughout the years and haven't been able to find anyone to respond and say they recovered? Someone out there has to have done it because if not, why would there be even any restart protocols? It would really be a big help and inspiration to know if anyone has gotten back to normal, even if its just one person... So please if you could help, let me know, thanks a lot bros
Always hopefull.
Everybody is trying
nobody ever reported recovery.
Lots of wasted time and unnecessary suffering.
 

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according to Dr. Shippen he has recovered a couple of people, but its just that I never hear from anyone themselves ever that has done it... hopefully somebody is out there who has done it, I can't take this anymore I'm 20 years old..
 
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according to Dr. Shippen he has recovered a couple of people, but its just that I never hear from anyone themselves ever that has done it... hopefully somebody is out there who has done it, I can't take this anymore I'm 20 years old..
Do not take it hard, you do not even know, possibly your HPTA was woobly to begin with.
 

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Well it was normal, I always had great erections, libido, overall energy, fast metabolism, then I took prohormones by VPX called Syngex along with Andro from muscletech and it has had me shut down for a while
 
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Well it was normal, I always had great erections, libido, overall energy, fast metabolism, then I took prohormones by VPX called Syngex along with Andro from muscletech and it has had me shut down for a while
How long is a while?
 

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Well it was normal, I always had great erections, libido, overall energy, fast metabolism, then I took prohormones by VPX called Syngex along with Andro from muscletech and it has had me shut down for a while
and people are biathcing about taking steroids..At least you know what they do and have been around for 40-50 years these prohormones IMO are more detrimental then actually steroids in many ways because people have no clue how they affect the body or different systems. I never touch prohormones other then tribestan or long jack. All this chemical chain manipulation to fool fda into allowing them on the market but we really do not know the effects short or long time. I think in the past 2 years more people have been screwed up from prohormones then steroid them selves..Most people who have unresolved psycholgoical issues with the world we live in to day is probably the majority of teenager are the ones that are suffering the most ..

Where are you located
Have you been to a good dr or internal medicine person
do you have blood work Jansz can provide a shorten version of necessary test to futher validate things

Here is what I recommned
testosterone panel
dht
estrodial
dhea-s
progesterone
shbg
ha1c
cortisol am
cortisol free
ft3
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lipid panel
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according to Dr. Shippen he has recovered a couple of people, but its just that I never hear from anyone themselves ever that has done it... hopefully somebody is out there who has done it, I can't take this anymore I'm 20 years old..
You are lucky that you are still young, try to be in your middle 40's and try to get your HPTA restarted..

I agree with han, I think with all the stuff like, Superdrol, M1T, etc, a lot of doctors, like Dr. John, will have a thriving practice trying to get 20-somethings restarted..

IMO you will recover, it will just take some time.
 

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Always hopefull.
Everybody is trying
nobody ever reported recovery.
Lots of wasted time and unnecessary suffering.
Not exactly Jan... I have recovered my HPTA; as my numbers reflect in the normal range consistently for a year now. My current issue at hand now is trying to figure out why my progress in "raising" my testosterone levels is going at a snail's pace.

I wouldn't say that I'm suffering though... lol... I'm more like "hung up" on figuring out my above issue... is all.. May be it's a matter of time!!! I mean I've only been at it for a year now.. after being shut down for years. :)
 

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dr. shippens goal is to get me off clomid shortly, hes taking me to 20mg then 10mg then off.
 

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yeah, i had the chance but i told her i have to get home. im a wuss i know =[

i think it would of worked though....

like after 10pm my libido gets shot to zero.
 

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He found Clomid with that low of dosage? I thought it only came in 50 mg...
 

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yeah, i had the chance but i told her i have to get home. im a wuss i know =[

i think it would of worked though....

like after 10pm my libido gets shot to zero.
Well bang her before 10 pm before Mr happy looses his smile
I know e2 rises at night time hmm interesting fact could you have a delayed e2 rise from T increase in the morning or may be metabolise slower then normal people? Be interesting to see the diurnal change from am to PM with e2
 

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well it triggers LH but i still classify it as a test booster
I'd love to learn about some compounds that (safely) increase LH. I'm no so sure about Tribulus though. Consider:

"The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=15994038&ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus

"It was concluded that T. terrestris did not produce the large gains in strength or lean muscle mass that many manufacturers claim can be experienced within 5-28 days. Furthermore, T. terrestris did not alter the urinary T/E ratio and would not place an athlete at risk of testing positive based on the World Anti-Doping Agency's urinary T/E ratio limit of 4:1."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=17530942&ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus


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well i been taking 5-htp, it kills my libido abit, but it gives me great morning wood and deep sleep.

the best would be have her sleep over and do her as soon as i wake up =]
 

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damn its been a while since ive been shut down, I'd say 3 years. my test levels were in the toilet they were in the mid 200's, LH and FSH low as well. I did nothing for PCT except trying clomid for 2 months in 2005 under the supervision of a doctor, levels went up to mid 800's but after being off the clomid they dropped back. Went to shippen recently, I've been on EOD HCG 250iu, levels were in the 1000's but more recently they dropped to 500 under the same dosage, I'm guessing because I used the same bottle of HCG for longer than the 30 days thats recommended for maximum potency. I'm hoping its not leydig cell desensitation, I'll know by next week because I just got a new HCG bottle a few days ago and I'm gonna give it about a week before I get another blood test. Either way, I gotta get my life back... Thanks for the help bros, if you have any more imput feel free
 

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Have you been taking any other meds during the 3 years?? such as depression meds.. etc..?? What are your stats?? meaning weight... body fat etc?? What's your estrogen levels? Any sleep apenea? Adrenal fatigue?? Thyroid issues?? etc... You gotta try to find the source of the problem... It's unusual to stay so suppressed for so long from just a prohormone cycle!!!
 

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hmmm i tried tribestan for a little while, that probably didn't effect me all that much though. i took acne pills i believe it was minocycline for a while, but I don't think that would supress anything either... The stupid thing that really got me was that fact that I was around 17 at the time, and I took the andro first experienced gyno, weight gain, etc. Then without much time off (probably a month) I hit it again with the Syngex which was a combo of I think 4-AD, 1-AD, a lot of stuff in it...most powerful one at the time though. Stats right now I'm 5"8, 142. My E2 hasnt been high for a long time, also according to my 24hr urine test my adrenals along with everything else is functioning fine its just my test levels. I'm wondering if the 24hr urine test was flawed in any way, I had a few red bulls that day.
 

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hmmm i tried tribestan for a little while, that probably didn't effect me all that much though. i took acne pills i believe it was minocycline for a while, but I don't think that would supress anything either... The stupid thing that really got me was that fact that I was around 17 at the time, and I took the andro first experienced gyno, weight gain, etc. Then without much time off (probably a month) I hit it again with the Syngex which was a combo of I think 4-AD, 1-AD, a lot of stuff in it...most powerful one at the time though. Stats right now I'm 5"8, 142. My E2 hasnt been high for a long time, also according to my 24hr urine test my adrenals along with everything else is functioning fine its just my test levels. I'm wondering if the 24hr urine test was flawed in any way, I had a few red bulls that day.
Did you take a crap load of flax seed oil in the past? Alot of people I have known have caused an imbalance including my self from taking alot of this when we did not eat alot of whole eggs or red meat which contained the opposite..MY ratios where ass bakcwards affecting my hormonal axis and jaming up my liver and causing all kinds of hormonal issues as well as oxidative stress. Since addin fish oils back in to correct the imbalnace I acn feel the metabolic shift into fat burning mode vs fat storing mood. It takes like 2-3 months to restabiliz, but most bodybuilders go against the grain and have more 3:6 then the typical american.
 

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Did you take a crap load of flax seed oil in the past? Alot of people I have known have caused an imbalance including my self from taking alot of this when we did not eat alot of whole eggs or red meat which contained the opposite..MY ratios where ass bakcwards affecting my hormonal axis and jaming up my liver and causing all kinds of hormonal issues as well as oxidative stress. Since addin fish oils back in to correct the imbalnace I acn feel the metabolic shift into fat burning mode vs fat storing mood. It takes like 2-3 months to restabiliz, but most bodybuilders go against the grain and have more 3:6 then the typical american.

good suggestion bro, I've had the omega 3-6-9 complex in my fridge for a while..just haven't been taking them. What kind of doseage do you suggest a day?
 

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I also was on a strict diet for a year, eating maintenance with a 40/40/20 carb/protein/fat. It was such a clean diet, absolutely no candy, beer, high fat sauces, etc. It got me shredded but a doctor of mind did mention to me that I might not be giving my body all the fats and what not needed to produce the correct amount of hormones...could he have been right?
 

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I also was on a strict diet for a year, eating maintenance with a 40/40/20 carb/protein/fat. It was such a clean diet, absolutely no candy, beer, high fat sauces, etc. It got me shredded but a doctor of mind did mention to me that I might not be giving my body all the fats and what not needed to produce the correct amount of hormones...could he have been right?
It depends what types of fat you were eating. I'm coming to the realization that we need more of just about all fats except Omega-6... If that 20% fat was short on saturated fat or fish oil, etc. then maybe you were missing something.
 

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3 years ago i was on a strict diet of vegetarianism, very high in soy!!

now i have adrenal fatigue, hypothyroidism, secondary.
 

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3 years ago i was on a strict diet of vegetarianism, very high in soy!!

now i have adrenal fatigue, hypothyroidism, secondary.
CAN YOU SAY IODINE DEFIENCY !! did you salt your food or avoid that like the plaque too?
Simple urine test solves this problem..

Iodine defiency induces hypothyroid and hypoadrenal function in rats
 

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no i didnt use any salt.
low salt, low fat, high carb diet. =]


my current diet is competlely different from what i was doing 3 years ago.


i use lots of sea salt now.
 

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no i didnt use any salt.
low salt, low fat, high carb diet. =]


my current diet is competlely different from what i was doing 3 years ago.


i use lots of sea salt now.
GOOD but contains no iodine LOL
Iodine levels will never get replenished with just pain sea salts.
before taking iodine verify it first !! Quest has a spot iodine test that they can do .. covered by insurance
 

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ok i i'll ask for it

but an interesting thing is i been having sexual problems before i ever got on m soy kick. which is kind of weird
 

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ok i i'll ask for it

but an interesting thing is i been having sexual problems before i ever got on m soy kick. which is kind of weird
And you never salted your food prior ? majority of people i have ran into have very simimlar behavior patterns
 

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well i grew up on flinstone chewable vitamins, stuff that looked like milk, fast food as my staple... i was lucky if i got a natural food in my diet a day.
 
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Hold on a second

I have never read any of these claims regarding flax oil and difficulty recovering from pro-hormone use. I have bought epistane, promagonon, fish oil, PCT supplements, and intend to use them to drop both weight and bodyfat after years of not exercising, and then I plan(planned?) on going for muscle mass with the Promagonon. I have even RESEARCHED combining T2 or T3 with clenbuterol and Promagnon to "reboot" my fat levels.
Because of that research I knew that I should start with diet and exercise first, but until reading this thread i was still tempted.

I am 36, 5 foot 6, 25% bodyfat and 180 lbs. Before I screw myself up, someone please point me to info that will prevent that - I was very surprised to read about any imbalance being caused by flax. Any other falsehoods or misrepresentations I should be made aware of regarding prosteroids and PCT? When I finally go that route (if I do) then what bloodtests do I need to start with, and how do I get them without a physicians supervision?
 

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I have never read any of these claims regarding flax oil and difficulty recovering from pro-hormone use. I have bought epistane, promagonon, fish oil, post cycle therapy supplements, and intend to use them to drop both weight and bodyfat after years of not exercising, and then I plan(planned?) on going for muscle mass with the Promagonon. I have even RESEARCHED combining T2 or T3 with clenbuterol and Promagnon to "reboot" my fat levels.
Because of that research I knew that I should start with diet and exercise first, but until reading this thread i was still tempted.

I am 36, 5 foot 6, 25% bodyfat and 180 lbs. Before I screw myself up, someone please point me to info that will prevent that - I was very surprised to read about any imbalance being caused by flax. Any other falsehoods or misrepresentations I should be made aware of regarding prosteroids and PCT? When I finally go that route (if I do) then what bloodtests do I need to start with, and how do I get them without a physicians supervision?
High fiber diet low fat = major hormone problems
moderate fat , 20-25 grams fiber = increased T and cholesterol levels
Too much omega 3 (fish oils): arachodonic acids causes hormonal imbalances. normal people have low omega 3 but alot of bodybuilders are just the opposite beacuse of your fascination with flaxseed oil, and good old udos. imbalnces can occur in little as 3 months. Verification of this i was patient of one of the best lipid specialist in the world Dr patricia kane and i have blood tests to back up the excessive fish oils consumption as well just from 2 TSP a day !!
 
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So what is the solution? I started to diet and exercise months ago and then injured my back at work so the supps have been sitting on my shelf unused. I have a large supply of fish oil (360 x 1200mg capsules) and just began taking them again this week. Help me out here - I need more info and intend to lean more towards an "anti-aging" take on fitness + diet but was hoping the prohormones and "by-the-book" PCT would help lubricate my joints and balance my hormones. Fish Oil was a big part of my plan so any info you provide will help me redesign my fitness plan before I get royally screwed.
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High fiber diet low fat = major hormone problems
moderate fat , 20-25 grams fiber = increased T and cholesterol levels
Too much omega 3 (fish oils): arachodonic acids causes hormonal imbalances. normal people have low omega 3 but alot of bodybuilders are just the opposite beacuse of your fascination with flaxseed oil, and good old udos. imbalnces can occur in little as 3 months. Verification of this i was patient of one of the best lipid specialist in the world Dr patricia kane and i have blood tests to back up the excessive fish oils consumption as well just from 2 TSP a day !!
 
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well i grew up on flinstone chewable vitamins, stuff that looked like milk, fast food as my staple... i was lucky if i got a natural food in my diet a day.
BTW I apologize - I didnt intend to hijack the thread i was just shocked by what I read. Would like to know the solution to the issues brought up here and dont want to experience them myself.
 

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BTW I apologize - I didnt intend to hijack the thread i was just shocked by what I read. Would like to know the solution to the issues brought up here and dont want to experience them myself.
1. First thing have starting blood work
(Jansz please do the honors)
2. Examine lifestyle behaviors and how you cope with them
3. examine sleep patterns and are you getting into a deep sleep.
4 examine diet and proper mineral intake.
Too much of one mineral off sets another one. Identify the imbalance balancs and corret them
5. eat balanced meals
 
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1. First thing have starting blood work
(Jansz please do the honors)
2. Examine lifestyle behaviors and how you cope with them
3. examine sleep patterns and are you getting into a deep sleep.
4 examine diet and proper mineral intake.
Too much of one mineral off sets another one. Identify the imbalance balancs and corret them
5. eat balanced meals
Thank you.
Post #44 (blood, urine, hair)
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jans-bloodtest-april13-2.html

Take some valium and no coffee before looking at that post. :)

All in an effort to facilitate proper anti-aging way.
 
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Well I can hit 3 and 4 immediately.
I've avoided adding salt to my food for the past 20 years, everyone in my family has high blood pressure except me - mine is low-normal. And I'm a chronic insomniac - I sleep in chunks of 3-5 hours and have been that way my entire life.
Will check in again later, I work 3-12.
Thanks for the info so far. I'm reconsidering prosteroid use.

1. First thing have starting blood work
(Jansz please do the honors)
2. Examine lifestyle behaviors and how you cope with them
3. examine sleep patterns and are you getting into a deep sleep.
4 examine diet and proper mineral intake.
Too much of one mineral off sets another one. Identify the imbalance balancs and corret them
5. eat balanced meals
 

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Well I can hit 3 and 4 immediately.
I've avoided adding salt to my food for the past 20 years, everyone in my family has high blood pressure except me - mine is low-normal. And I'm a chronic insomniac - I sleep in chunks of 3-5 hours and have been that way my entire life.
Will check in again later, I work 3-12.
Thanks for the info so far. I'm reconsidering prosteroid use.
PS GET A NEW ROLE MODEL BESIDES OPRAH - Which brings to mind a fat girl sitting on the couch eating chococolate whille watching her show. Whats amazes me she pays 100,000 bucks a year for a personal trainer and a cook. I'd be ashamed to be associtated with a clinet that still looks the same and even getting heavier LOL, but hey if she is not compalining who cares right LOL
 

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PS GET A NEW ROLE MODEL BESIDES OPRAH - Which brings to mind a fat girl sitting on the couch eating chococolate whille watching her show. Whats amazes me she pays 100,000 bucks a year for a personal trainer and a cook. I'd be ashamed to be associtated with a clinet that still looks the same and even getting heavier LOL, but hey if she is not compalining who cares right LOL
Bwaahahahah.... thanks... needed the laugh... :toofunny:
 

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Well ABSolute, i wish i could say my hormone levels were back to normal. The position that I am in is almost IDENTICAL to yours. I'm 21, and i took M1T a little over 3 years ago. I still have zero libido and i generally feel like garbage. I also think the problem was compounded by taking too much ephedrine over the years and being on a really restricted diet with high fiber, high protein and almost zero fat besides fish oil and zero sodium for months at a time, and then not being able to handle it and then rebounding and binging on food. At the time i was absolutely obsessed with having the perfect diet, obviously not a smart thing to do. Now im not even sure if my problems stem from adrenal fatigue/thryoid problems or my low-ish level of hormones. Im going to the doctor in the morning and hopefully he can run some tests for adrenal fatigue. All i know is that the last 3 years have been the worst years of my life, not only did i miss out on some of my best teenage years, but i feel i will never get back to feeling normal again for the rest of my life. If anyone has had some of the problems that i have had and they have done some things to treat them then please let me know. Trust me, i am all ears.

Good luck to you, and anyone else who is on the road to recovery. If anyone is interested, i will post the results of some of my labs that hopefully get run and some of the treatment plans i intend to use, just in case anyone has similar symptoms to mine.
 
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Well ABSolute, i wish i could say my hormone levels were back to normal. The position that I am in is almost IDENTICAL to yours. I'm 21, and i took M1T a little over 3 years ago. I still have zero libido and i generally feel like garbage. I also think the problem was compounded by taking too much ephedrine over the years and being on a really restricted diet with high fiber, high protein and almost zero fat besides fish oil and zero sodium for months at a time, and then not being able to handle it and then rebounding and binging on food. At the time i was absolutely obsessed with having the perfect diet, obviously not a smart thing to do. Now im not even sure if my problems stem from adrenal fatigue/thryoid problems or my low-ish level of hormones. Im going to the doctor in the morning and hopefully he can run some tests for adrenal fatigue. All i know is that the last 3 years have been the worst years of my life, not only did i miss out on some of my best teenage years, but i feel i will never get back to feeling normal again for the rest of my life. If anyone has had some of the problems that i have had and they have done some things to treat them then please let me know. Trust me, i am all ears.

Good luck to you, and anyone else who is on the road to recovery. If anyone is interested, i will post the results of some of my labs that hopefully get run and some of the treatment plans i intend to use, just in case anyone has similar symptoms to mine.
See my post #44
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jans-bloodtest-april13-2.html

Copy the whole blood test list.
E-mail it to your doctor and ask him to print it on his office stationary and sign it to turn it to legal script.

Go to Quest Diagnostic and get the blood drawn there.

Believe me, you will save youself lots of grief, you will gain tons of information that will take you 10 years to get by just going to a doc and hoping that he will do the right thing.

Obtaining good blood test is where you should put your efforts.
Adjustments will come latter.

That list may be little short on adrenals and thyroid testing,
if you have known (sewere) problems you may want to expand it in that area. Otherwise leave the list as is.
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Requesting script this way will save your doctor and his staff lots of time.
You want to be easy on taking doctors time.
 
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yessir66 -

My situation is similar to yours. I'm 21 yrs old, took M1t 3 years ago...worked like a charm until i gained 45 pounds in the next two years and all the muscle fell off. I was diagnosed as secondary hypogonadism and though my levels have come back a bit, they are still low and my energy level is that of a 75 yr old man...i understand how u feel about missing out on your teenage years. I havnt felt that energy through my veins since i was 17 before i took that m1t-crap. I'm also interested in a path to recovery and would be willing to keep in contact to discuss strategy and ongoing treatments/bloodwork and the like.
 

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I'm also interested in a path to recovery and would be willing to keep in contact to discuss strategy and ongoing treatments/bloodwork and the like.
Stick around. That's what we're all working on. . Granted, your treatment may (or may not!) look more like yessir66's than JanSz's when all is done, but there's a lot of knowledge here. You pick up a clue or an insight here and there even from people whose condition is a little different...
 
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I had an idea from most that M1T was bad, now you guys confirm it. Funny thing is the local guy offered me a bottle of this stuff for $100. I was like "um no thanks" as I had already read about it.

I am subscribed to this thread. Don't give up guys!

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Eugene Shipppen M.D.

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id say he might be 60.
 
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Thank you Engival,

Has anyone gone to him about this?
 

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