Has ANYONE Recovered Their HPTA?
- 10-07-2007, 12:35 PM
Has ANYONE Recovered Their HPTA?
Anyone that has had secondary Hypogonadism, or has been on HRT, or just simply shut down for a while following a cycle... has anyone in this situation recovered their HPTA and is now functioning (atleast somewhat) normal? I've gone to many forums throughout the years and haven't been able to find anyone to respond and say they recovered? Someone out there has to have done it because if not, why would there be even any restart protocols? It would really be a big help and inspiration to know if anyone has gotten back to normal, even if its just one person... So please if you could help, let me know, thanks a lot bros
- 10-07-2007, 01:05 PM
- 10-07-2007, 01:22 PM
according to Dr. Shippen he has recovered a couple of people, but its just that I never hear from anyone themselves ever that has done it... hopefully somebody is out there who has done it, I can't take this anymore I'm 20 years old..
10-07-2007, 01:43 PM
10-07-2007, 02:19 PM
Well it was normal, I always had great erections, libido, overall energy, fast metabolism, then I took prohormones by VPX called Syngex along with Andro from muscletech and it has had me shut down for a while
10-07-2007, 02:26 PM
10-07-2007, 02:59 PM
Where are you located
Have you been to a good dr or internal medicine person
do you have blood work Jansz can provide a shorten version of necessary test to futher validate things
Here is what I recommned
CMP with liver panel
vitamin 25 oh,d
10-07-2007, 05:49 PM
I agree with han, I think with all the stuff like, Superdrol, M1T, etc, a lot of doctors, like Dr. John, will have a thriving practice trying to get 20-somethings restarted..
IMO you will recover, it will just take some time.
10-07-2007, 05:53 PM
I wouldn't say that I'm suffering though... lol... I'm more like "hung up" on figuring out my above issue... is all.. May be it's a matter of time!!! I mean I've only been at it for a year now.. after being shut down for years.
10-07-2007, 06:10 PM
10-07-2007, 06:14 PM
10-07-2007, 06:15 PM
10-07-2007, 06:16 PM
10-07-2007, 06:18 PM
yeah, i had the chance but i told her i have to get home. im a wuss i know =[
i think it would of worked though....
like after 10pm my libido gets shot to zero.
10-07-2007, 06:22 PM
10-07-2007, 06:23 PM
10-07-2007, 06:51 PM
I know e2 rises at night time hmm interesting fact could you have a delayed e2 rise from T increase in the morning or may be metabolise slower then normal people? Be interesting to see the diurnal change from am to PM with e2
10-07-2007, 07:07 PM
"The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties."
"It was concluded that T. terrestris did not produce the large gains in strength or lean muscle mass that many manufacturers claim can be experienced within 5-28 days. Furthermore, T. terrestris did not alter the urinary T/E ratio and would not place an athlete at risk of testing positive based on the World Anti-Doping Agency's urinary T/E ratio limit of 4:1."
10-07-2007, 07:07 PM
well i been taking 5-htp, it kills my libido abit, but it gives me great morning wood and deep sleep.
the best would be have her sleep over and do her as soon as i wake up =]
10-07-2007, 08:25 PM
damn its been a while since ive been shut down, I'd say 3 years. my test levels were in the toilet they were in the mid 200's, LH and FSH low as well. I did nothing for PCT except trying clomid for 2 months in 2005 under the supervision of a doctor, levels went up to mid 800's but after being off the clomid they dropped back. Went to shippen recently, I've been on EOD HCG 250iu, levels were in the 1000's but more recently they dropped to 500 under the same dosage, I'm guessing because I used the same bottle of HCG for longer than the 30 days thats recommended for maximum potency. I'm hoping its not leydig cell desensitation, I'll know by next week because I just got a new HCG bottle a few days ago and I'm gonna give it about a week before I get another blood test. Either way, I gotta get my life back... Thanks for the help bros, if you have any more imput feel free
10-07-2007, 09:22 PM
Have you been taking any other meds during the 3 years?? such as depression meds.. etc..?? What are your stats?? meaning weight... body fat etc?? What's your estrogen levels? Any sleep apenea? Adrenal fatigue?? Thyroid issues?? etc... You gotta try to find the source of the problem... It's unusual to stay so suppressed for so long from just a prohormone cycle!!!
10-07-2007, 09:41 PM
hmmm i tried tribestan for a little while, that probably didn't effect me all that much though. i took acne pills i believe it was minocycline for a while, but I don't think that would supress anything either... The stupid thing that really got me was that fact that I was around 17 at the time, and I took the andro first experienced gyno, weight gain, etc. Then without much time off (probably a month) I hit it again with the Syngex which was a combo of I think 4-AD, 1-AD, a lot of stuff in it...most powerful one at the time though. Stats right now I'm 5"8, 142. My E2 hasnt been high for a long time, also according to my 24hr urine test my adrenals along with everything else is functioning fine its just my test levels. I'm wondering if the 24hr urine test was flawed in any way, I had a few red bulls that day.
10-07-2007, 10:30 PM
10-07-2007, 11:34 PM
10-07-2007, 11:35 PM
I also was on a strict diet for a year, eating maintenance with a 40/40/20 carb/protein/fat. It was such a clean diet, absolutely no candy, beer, high fat sauces, etc. It got me shredded but a doctor of mind did mention to me that I might not be giving my body all the fats and what not needed to produce the correct amount of hormones...could he have been right?
10-08-2007, 10:41 AM
10-08-2007, 12:28 PM
3 years ago i was on a strict diet of vegetarianism, very high in soy!!
now i have adrenal fatigue, hypothyroidism, secondary.
10-08-2007, 12:54 PM
10-08-2007, 12:57 PM
no i didnt use any salt.
low salt, low fat, high carb diet. =]
my current diet is competlely different from what i was doing 3 years ago.
i use lots of sea salt now.
10-08-2007, 01:03 PM
10-08-2007, 01:14 PM
ok i i'll ask for it
but an interesting thing is i been having sexual problems before i ever got on m soy kick. which is kind of weird
10-08-2007, 01:44 PM
10-08-2007, 01:52 PM
well i grew up on flinstone chewable vitamins, stuff that looked like milk, fast food as my staple... i was lucky if i got a natural food in my diet a day.
10-08-2007, 02:03 PM
Hold on a second
I have never read any of these claims regarding flax oil and difficulty recovering from pro-hormone use. I have bought epistane, promagonon, fish oil, PCT supplements, and intend to use them to drop both weight and bodyfat after years of not exercising, and then I plan(planned?) on going for muscle mass with the Promagonon. I have even RESEARCHED combining T2 or T3 with clenbuterol and Promagnon to "reboot" my fat levels.
Because of that research I knew that I should start with diet and exercise first, but until reading this thread i was still tempted.
I am 36, 5 foot 6, 25% bodyfat and 180 lbs. Before I screw myself up, someone please point me to info that will prevent that - I was very surprised to read about any imbalance being caused by flax. Any other falsehoods or misrepresentations I should be made aware of regarding prosteroids and PCT? When I finally go that route (if I do) then what bloodtests do I need to start with, and how do I get them without a physicians supervision?
10-08-2007, 02:09 PM
moderate fat , 20-25 grams fiber = increased T and cholesterol levels
Too much omega 3 (fish oils): arachodonic acids causes hormonal imbalances. normal people have low omega 3 but alot of bodybuilders are just the opposite beacuse of your fascination with flaxseed oil, and good old udos. imbalnces can occur in little as 3 months. Verification of this i was patient of one of the best lipid specialist in the world Dr patricia kane and i have blood tests to back up the excessive fish oils consumption as well just from 2 TSP a day !!
10-08-2007, 02:17 PM
So what is the solution? I started to diet and exercise months ago and then injured my back at work so the supps have been sitting on my shelf unused. I have a large supply of fish oil (360 x 1200mg capsules) and just began taking them again this week. Help me out here - I need more info and intend to lean more towards an "anti-aging" take on fitness + diet but was hoping the prohormones and "by-the-book" PCT would help lubricate my joints and balance my hormones. Fish Oil was a big part of my plan so any info you provide will help me redesign my fitness plan before I get royally screwed.
10-08-2007, 02:26 PM
10-08-2007, 02:35 PM
(Jansz please do the honors)
2. Examine lifestyle behaviors and how you cope with them
3. examine sleep patterns and are you getting into a deep sleep.
4 examine diet and proper mineral intake.
Too much of one mineral off sets another one. Identify the imbalance balancs and corret them
5. eat balanced meals
10-08-2007, 02:49 PM
Post #44 (blood, urine, hair)
Jan's BloodTest April13/2007
Take some valium and no coffee before looking at that post.
All in an effort to facilitate proper anti-aging way.
10-08-2007, 02:51 PM
Well I can hit 3 and 4 immediately.
I've avoided adding salt to my food for the past 20 years, everyone in my family has high blood pressure except me - mine is low-normal. And I'm a chronic insomniac - I sleep in chunks of 3-5 hours and have been that way my entire life.
Will check in again later, I work 3-12.
Thanks for the info so far. I'm reconsidering prosteroid use.
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