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    Has ANYONE Recovered Their HPTA?


    Anyone that has had secondary Hypogonadism, or has been on HRT, or just simply shut down for a while following a cycle... has anyone in this situation recovered their HPTA and is now functioning (atleast somewhat) normal? I've gone to many forums throughout the years and haven't been able to find anyone to respond and say they recovered? Someone out there has to have done it because if not, why would there be even any restart protocols? It would really be a big help and inspiration to know if anyone has gotten back to normal, even if its just one person... So please if you could help, let me know, thanks a lot bros

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABSolute View Post
    Anyone that has had secondary Hypogonadism, or has been on HRT, or just simply shut down for a while following a cycle... has anyone in this situation recovered their HPTA and is now functioning (atleast somewhat) normal? I've gone to many forums throughout the years and haven't been able to find anyone to respond and say they recovered? Someone out there has to have done it because if not, why would there be even any restart protocols? It would really be a big help and inspiration to know if anyone has gotten back to normal, even if its just one person... So please if you could help, let me know, thanks a lot bros
    Always hopefull.
    Everybody is trying
    nobody ever reported recovery.
    Lots of wasted time and unnecessary suffering.
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    according to Dr. Shippen he has recovered a couple of people, but its just that I never hear from anyone themselves ever that has done it... hopefully somebody is out there who has done it, I can't take this anymore I'm 20 years old..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABSolute View Post
    according to Dr. Shippen he has recovered a couple of people, but its just that I never hear from anyone themselves ever that has done it... hopefully somebody is out there who has done it, I can't take this anymore I'm 20 years old..
    Do not take it hard, you do not even know, possibly your HPTA was woobly to begin with.
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    Well it was normal, I always had great erections, libido, overall energy, fast metabolism, then I took prohormones by VPX called Syngex along with Andro from muscletech and it has had me shut down for a while
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABSolute View Post
    Well it was normal, I always had great erections, libido, overall energy, fast metabolism, then I took prohormones by VPX called Syngex along with Andro from muscletech and it has had me shut down for a while
    How long is a while?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABSolute View Post
    Well it was normal, I always had great erections, libido, overall energy, fast metabolism, then I took prohormones by VPX called Syngex along with Andro from muscletech and it has had me shut down for a while
    and people are biathcing about taking steroids..At least you know what they do and have been around for 40-50 years these prohormones IMO are more detrimental then actually steroids in many ways because people have no clue how they affect the body or different systems. I never touch prohormones other then tribestan or long jack. All this chemical chain manipulation to fool fda into allowing them on the market but we really do not know the effects short or long time. I think in the past 2 years more people have been screwed up from prohormones then steroid them selves..Most people who have unresolved psycholgoical issues with the world we live in to day is probably the majority of teenager are the ones that are suffering the most ..

    Where are you located
    Have you been to a good dr or internal medicine person
    do you have blood work Jansz can provide a shorten version of necessary test to futher validate things

    Here is what I recommned
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABSolute View Post
    according to Dr. Shippen he has recovered a couple of people, but its just that I never hear from anyone themselves ever that has done it... hopefully somebody is out there who has done it, I can't take this anymore I'm 20 years old..
    You are lucky that you are still young, try to be in your middle 40's and try to get your HPTA restarted..

    I agree with han, I think with all the stuff like, Superdrol, M1T, etc, a lot of doctors, like Dr. John, will have a thriving practice trying to get 20-somethings restarted..

    IMO you will recover, it will just take some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Always hopefull.
    Everybody is trying
    nobody ever reported recovery.
    Lots of wasted time and unnecessary suffering.
    Not exactly Jan... I have recovered my HPTA; as my numbers reflect in the normal range consistently for a year now. My current issue at hand now is trying to figure out why my progress in "raising" my testosterone levels is going at a snail's pace.

    I wouldn't say that I'm suffering though... lol... I'm more like "hung up" on figuring out my above issue... is all.. May be it's a matter of time!!! I mean I've only been at it for a year now.. after being shut down for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    I never touch prohormones other then tribestan or long jack.
    HAN... I never thought tribestan is a prohormone!!!??? It's just Tribulus isn't it??
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    dr. shippens goal is to get me off clomid shortly, hes taking me to 20mg then 10mg then off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by engival View Post
    dr. shippens goal is to get me off clomid shortly, hes taking me to 20mg then 10mg then off.
    did you the cilias work
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigAk View Post
    HAN... I never thought tribestan is a prohormone!!!??? It's just Tribulus isn't it??
    well it triggers LH but i still classify it as a test booster
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    yeah, i had the chance but i told her i have to get home. im a wuss i know =[

    i think it would of worked though....

    like after 10pm my libido gets shot to zero.
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    He found Clomid with that low of dosage? I thought it only came in 50 mg...
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    i get mine from the COmpounding pharmacy
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    Quote Originally Posted by engival View Post
    yeah, i had the chance but i told her i have to get home. im a wuss i know =[

    i think it would of worked though....

    like after 10pm my libido gets shot to zero.
    Well bang her before 10 pm before Mr happy looses his smile
    I know e2 rises at night time hmm interesting fact could you have a delayed e2 rise from T increase in the morning or may be metabolise slower then normal people? Be interesting to see the diurnal change from am to PM with e2
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    well it triggers LH but i still classify it as a test booster
    I'd love to learn about some compounds that (safely) increase LH. I'm no so sure about Tribulus though. Consider:

    "The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties."
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...RVAbstractPlus

    "It was concluded that T. terrestris did not produce the large gains in strength or lean muscle mass that many manufacturers claim can be experienced within 5-28 days. Furthermore, T. terrestris did not alter the urinary T/E ratio and would not place an athlete at risk of testing positive based on the World Anti-Doping Agency's urinary T/E ratio limit of 4:1."
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...RVAbstractPlus


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    well i been taking 5-htp, it kills my libido abit, but it gives me great morning wood and deep sleep.

    the best would be have her sleep over and do her as soon as i wake up =]
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    damn its been a while since ive been shut down, I'd say 3 years. my test levels were in the toilet they were in the mid 200's, LH and FSH low as well. I did nothing for PCT except trying clomid for 2 months in 2005 under the supervision of a doctor, levels went up to mid 800's but after being off the clomid they dropped back. Went to shippen recently, I've been on EOD HCG 250iu, levels were in the 1000's but more recently they dropped to 500 under the same dosage, I'm guessing because I used the same bottle of HCG for longer than the 30 days thats recommended for maximum potency. I'm hoping its not leydig cell desensitation, I'll know by next week because I just got a new HCG bottle a few days ago and I'm gonna give it about a week before I get another blood test. Either way, I gotta get my life back... Thanks for the help bros, if you have any more imput feel free
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    Have you been taking any other meds during the 3 years?? such as depression meds.. etc..?? What are your stats?? meaning weight... body fat etc?? What's your estrogen levels? Any sleep apenea? Adrenal fatigue?? Thyroid issues?? etc... You gotta try to find the source of the problem... It's unusual to stay so suppressed for so long from just a prohormone cycle!!!
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    hmmm i tried tribestan for a little while, that probably didn't effect me all that much though. i took acne pills i believe it was minocycline for a while, but I don't think that would supress anything either... The stupid thing that really got me was that fact that I was around 17 at the time, and I took the andro first experienced gyno, weight gain, etc. Then without much time off (probably a month) I hit it again with the Syngex which was a combo of I think 4-AD, 1-AD, a lot of stuff in it...most powerful one at the time though. Stats right now I'm 5"8, 142. My E2 hasnt been high for a long time, also according to my 24hr urine test my adrenals along with everything else is functioning fine its just my test levels. I'm wondering if the 24hr urine test was flawed in any way, I had a few red bulls that day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABSolute View Post
    hmmm i tried tribestan for a little while, that probably didn't effect me all that much though. i took acne pills i believe it was minocycline for a while, but I don't think that would supress anything either... The stupid thing that really got me was that fact that I was around 17 at the time, and I took the andro first experienced gyno, weight gain, etc. Then without much time off (probably a month) I hit it again with the Syngex which was a combo of I think 4-AD, 1-AD, a lot of stuff in it...most powerful one at the time though. Stats right now I'm 5"8, 142. My E2 hasnt been high for a long time, also according to my 24hr urine test my adrenals along with everything else is functioning fine its just my test levels. I'm wondering if the 24hr urine test was flawed in any way, I had a few red bulls that day.
    Did you take a crap load of flax seed oil in the past? Alot of people I have known have caused an imbalance including my self from taking alot of this when we did not eat alot of whole eggs or red meat which contained the opposite..MY ratios where ass bakcwards affecting my hormonal axis and jaming up my liver and causing all kinds of hormonal issues as well as oxidative stress. Since addin fish oils back in to correct the imbalnace I acn feel the metabolic shift into fat burning mode vs fat storing mood. It takes like 2-3 months to restabiliz, but most bodybuilders go against the grain and have more 3:6 then the typical american.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Did you take a crap load of flax seed oil in the past? Alot of people I have known have caused an imbalance including my self from taking alot of this when we did not eat alot of whole eggs or red meat which contained the opposite..MY ratios where ass bakcwards affecting my hormonal axis and jaming up my liver and causing all kinds of hormonal issues as well as oxidative stress. Since addin fish oils back in to correct the imbalnace I acn feel the metabolic shift into fat burning mode vs fat storing mood. It takes like 2-3 months to restabiliz, but most bodybuilders go against the grain and have more 3:6 then the typical american.

    good suggestion bro, I've had the omega 3-6-9 complex in my fridge for a while..just haven't been taking them. What kind of doseage do you suggest a day?
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    I also was on a strict diet for a year, eating maintenance with a 40/40/20 carb/protein/fat. It was such a clean diet, absolutely no candy, beer, high fat sauces, etc. It got me shredded but a doctor of mind did mention to me that I might not be giving my body all the fats and what not needed to produce the correct amount of hormones...could he have been right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABSolute View Post
    I also was on a strict diet for a year, eating maintenance with a 40/40/20 carb/protein/fat. It was such a clean diet, absolutely no candy, beer, high fat sauces, etc. It got me shredded but a doctor of mind did mention to me that I might not be giving my body all the fats and what not needed to produce the correct amount of hormones...could he have been right?
    It depends what types of fat you were eating. I'm coming to the realization that we need more of just about all fats except Omega-6... If that 20% fat was short on saturated fat or fish oil, etc. then maybe you were missing something.
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    3 years ago i was on a strict diet of vegetarianism, very high in soy!!

    now i have adrenal fatigue, hypothyroidism, secondary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by engival View Post
    3 years ago i was on a strict diet of vegetarianism, very high in soy!!

    now i have adrenal fatigue, hypothyroidism, secondary.
    CAN YOU SAY IODINE DEFIENCY !! did you salt your food or avoid that like the plaque too?
    Simple urine test solves this problem..

    Iodine defiency induces hypothyroid and hypoadrenal function in rats
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    no i didnt use any salt.
    low salt, low fat, high carb diet. =]


    my current diet is competlely different from what i was doing 3 years ago.


    i use lots of sea salt now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by engival View Post
    no i didnt use any salt.
    low salt, low fat, high carb diet. =]


    my current diet is competlely different from what i was doing 3 years ago.


    i use lots of sea salt now.
    GOOD but contains no iodine LOL
    Iodine levels will never get replenished with just pain sea salts.
    before taking iodine verify it first !! Quest has a spot iodine test that they can do .. covered by insurance
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    ok i i'll ask for it

    but an interesting thing is i been having sexual problems before i ever got on m soy kick. which is kind of weird
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    Quote Originally Posted by engival View Post
    ok i i'll ask for it

    but an interesting thing is i been having sexual problems before i ever got on m soy kick. which is kind of weird
    And you never salted your food prior ? majority of people i have ran into have very simimlar behavior patterns
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    well i grew up on flinstone chewable vitamins, stuff that looked like milk, fast food as my staple... i was lucky if i got a natural food in my diet a day.
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    Hold on a second


    I have never read any of these claims regarding flax oil and difficulty recovering from pro-hormone use. I have bought epistane, promagonon, fish oil, PCT supplements, and intend to use them to drop both weight and bodyfat after years of not exercising, and then I plan(planned?) on going for muscle mass with the Promagonon. I have even RESEARCHED combining T2 or T3 with clenbuterol and Promagnon to "reboot" my fat levels.
    Because of that research I knew that I should start with diet and exercise first, but until reading this thread i was still tempted.

    I am 36, 5 foot 6, 25% bodyfat and 180 lbs. Before I screw myself up, someone please point me to info that will prevent that - I was very surprised to read about any imbalance being caused by flax. Any other falsehoods or misrepresentations I should be made aware of regarding prosteroids and PCT? When I finally go that route (if I do) then what bloodtests do I need to start with, and how do I get them without a physicians supervision?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pseudonymous View Post
    I have never read any of these claims regarding flax oil and difficulty recovering from pro-hormone use. I have bought epistane, promagonon, fish oil, post cycle therapy supplements, and intend to use them to drop both weight and bodyfat after years of not exercising, and then I plan(planned?) on going for muscle mass with the Promagonon. I have even RESEARCHED combining T2 or T3 with clenbuterol and Promagnon to "reboot" my fat levels.
    Because of that research I knew that I should start with diet and exercise first, but until reading this thread i was still tempted.

    I am 36, 5 foot 6, 25% bodyfat and 180 lbs. Before I screw myself up, someone please point me to info that will prevent that - I was very surprised to read about any imbalance being caused by flax. Any other falsehoods or misrepresentations I should be made aware of regarding prosteroids and PCT? When I finally go that route (if I do) then what bloodtests do I need to start with, and how do I get them without a physicians supervision?
    High fiber diet low fat = major hormone problems
    moderate fat , 20-25 grams fiber = increased T and cholesterol levels
    Too much omega 3 (fish oils): arachodonic acids causes hormonal imbalances. normal people have low omega 3 but alot of bodybuilders are just the opposite beacuse of your fascination with flaxseed oil, and good old udos. imbalnces can occur in little as 3 months. Verification of this i was patient of one of the best lipid specialist in the world Dr patricia kane and i have blood tests to back up the excessive fish oils consumption as well just from 2 TSP a day !!
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    Unhappy


    So what is the solution? I started to diet and exercise months ago and then injured my back at work so the supps have been sitting on my shelf unused. I have a large supply of fish oil (360 x 1200mg capsules) and just began taking them again this week. Help me out here - I need more info and intend to lean more towards an "anti-aging" take on fitness + diet but was hoping the prohormones and "by-the-book" PCT would help lubricate my joints and balance my hormones. Fish Oil was a big part of my plan so any info you provide will help me redesign my fitness plan before I get royally screwed.
    Thanks.

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    High fiber diet low fat = major hormone problems
    moderate fat , 20-25 grams fiber = increased T and cholesterol levels
    Too much omega 3 (fish oils): arachodonic acids causes hormonal imbalances. normal people have low omega 3 but alot of bodybuilders are just the opposite beacuse of your fascination with flaxseed oil, and good old udos. imbalnces can occur in little as 3 months. Verification of this i was patient of one of the best lipid specialist in the world Dr patricia kane and i have blood tests to back up the excessive fish oils consumption as well just from 2 TSP a day !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by engival View Post
    well i grew up on flinstone chewable vitamins, stuff that looked like milk, fast food as my staple... i was lucky if i got a natural food in my diet a day.
    BTW I apologize - I didnt intend to hijack the thread i was just shocked by what I read. Would like to know the solution to the issues brought up here and dont want to experience them myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pseudonymous View Post
    BTW I apologize - I didnt intend to hijack the thread i was just shocked by what I read. Would like to know the solution to the issues brought up here and dont want to experience them myself.
    1. First thing have starting blood work
    (Jansz please do the honors)
    2. Examine lifestyle behaviors and how you cope with them
    3. examine sleep patterns and are you getting into a deep sleep.
    4 examine diet and proper mineral intake.
    Too much of one mineral off sets another one. Identify the imbalance balancs and corret them
    5. eat balanced meals
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    1. First thing have starting blood work
    (Jansz please do the honors)
    2. Examine lifestyle behaviors and how you cope with them
    3. examine sleep patterns and are you getting into a deep sleep.
    4 examine diet and proper mineral intake.
    Too much of one mineral off sets another one. Identify the imbalance balancs and corret them
    5. eat balanced meals
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    Jan's BloodTest April13/2007

    Take some valium and no coffee before looking at that post.

    All in an effort to facilitate proper anti-aging way.
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    Well I can hit 3 and 4 immediately.
    I've avoided adding salt to my food for the past 20 years, everyone in my family has high blood pressure except me - mine is low-normal. And I'm a chronic insomniac - I sleep in chunks of 3-5 hours and have been that way my entire life.
    Will check in again later, I work 3-12.
    Thanks for the info so far. I'm reconsidering prosteroid use.

    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    1. First thing have starting blood work
    (Jansz please do the honors)
    2. Examine lifestyle behaviors and how you cope with them
    3. examine sleep patterns and are you getting into a deep sleep.
    4 examine diet and proper mineral intake.
    Too much of one mineral off sets another one. Identify the imbalance balancs and corret them
    5. eat balanced meals
  

  
 

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