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    Quote Originally Posted by Philec48 View Post
    Craving sugar? That could indicate adrenal issues. And since high cortisol can lower libido, checking adrenals and addressing stress are suggested.
    whats funny is all these thing go together...

    bloating, strength, sugar craving/carbs/food, bloating, less-urination, weight gain, and insensative d*ck.

    Then I take arimidex...

    bam, i piss out 2lbs of water, mood stablizes, and sugar craving are GONE. I and i belive sensativity increases...

    So I just want to make sure estrogen is the major culprit of insensativity???? Because, I thought it was prolactin/progesterone...so maybe prolactin/progesterone is libido, and estrogen is strictly physical?




    I'm telling you, I remember one night specifically. I was taking havoc at 40mg+my HRT. I was horny all day and feeling good. My GF came over that night. By 9:00pm I started wanted sugar like crazy! By 12:00, I went from being horny as crap to feeling really strange/no emotions and no sensativity. It scared the crap out of it....felt just like the emotional emptyness sides on like 200clomid+nolvadex. My test levels had to be through the roof. I was jacked as crap, on tons of TRT gel and taking havoc. So I'm assuming, the havoc raised my E2 substantially, instead of lowering it like everyone assumes

    Took .25mg of a-dex and the next morning I woke up with wood feeling great well-being..!

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    I am on trt and my free test is up in the 600s my total is 17 (middle of the range) my estradiol went from 25 to 45 and prolactin went from 7 to 10 I have 50% sensitivity in my penis and reduced orgasmic pleasure. I am really scared guys! What do you think the culprit could be? I am a 36 year old male who has had low t for about 2 years and just had it diagnosed 4 months ago.
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    Your post is off a little I think you ment to say your TT is 600 and your Free T is 17.

    Still with your Estradiol up at 45 this might be why your sensitivity in your penis is down and it's hard to injoy sex.

    You can gage this by how your night time and morning wood is. As my E2 gose up on TRT I get weak wood in my sleep and when I get it up for sex it not a good hard penis. It bends and if lelt alone gose down very fast.

    I used Arimidix to keep my E2 levels down here is a copy on a file I made about using it and not going down to low.

    When I first tested my E2 it was yrs ago a women's test this is all they had I was over 90 pg/ml and had some very bad ED problems and could not reach an orgasm.

    Getting E2 down the first thing to come back was my night time and morning wood it was so strong I can hang a coat on it and it woke me up. So today I gage my E2 levels by my night time and morning wood.

    If I wake up and doing think I had it that night I will see if I can get it up before getting out of bed and see is it's a good one. If I can't get it up I know I went to low taking arimidex.
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    What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs.

    The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it.

    Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

    I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up.

    I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days.

    So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

    I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need .25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

    So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scm123 View Post
    I am on trt and my free test is up in the 600s my total is 17 (middle of the range) my estradiol went from 25 to 45 and prolactin went from 7 to 10 I have 50% sensitivity in my penis and reduced orgasmic pleasure. I am really scared guys! What do you think the culprit could be? I am a 36 year old male who has had low t for about 2 years and just had it diagnosed 4 months ago.
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    Yes total t is 600s thank you for bringing that to my attention. I tried femara at 1/2 pill a day and it bottomed out my e2 at below 10. Now I am waiting for it to go back up to try 1/4 pill every 3 days and see. My endo wasn't even testing my e2 until I read about it on here and asked him. I live in the Los Angeles area and want to find a new doc who knows what he is doing but it is hard as hell! Anyone know of a good doc out here? I have been unable to have sex for months and am scared as hell that my sensitivity will never come back. I went to a urologist and my nerve function is intact and there is no scar tissue in my genitals. He said it must be something hormonal and to talk to my endo. I called another endo in the area who was some old guy and he said " I bring testosterone up to normal levels and if its not 100% satisfaction oh well its not your bodys test sorry" I hate dismissive d!@ks like that. So any docs in LA area appreciated!

    Is prolactin at 10.3 up 7.1 ng/dl from on a scale of 3.3-26.7 ng/dl a possible culprit?

    I also see you guys talking about 20-30 pg/ml as where most of your sweet spots are for e2 is 25 a good number to shoot for? And yes I know everyone is different ....but for a first shot at it?

    Finally at least I have some hope for curing the insensitivity even if its not a sure thing
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    That is a strong med for E's going to low it will take some time to come back up but it will and if your on TRT it will come up faster. I was on Arimidex for a long time then the Generic came out I don't feel if works as good as Arimidex. And for me I have having big problems with E2 rebounding on me. So I switched to Aromasin doing 12.5 mgs /day so far it's great. I make to dam much aromatase and Aromasin kills it but the half life of Aromasin is about a day so one needs to take it everyday I have been doing 1.25 mgs. 2x's / day for 2 weeks and still have good night time and morning wood.

    You get your levels back up and follow the post I gave you about not going to low and your sex life will come back. It did for me I had ED for over 10 yr started on TRT at age 50 at age 60 I figured out it was high E2 levels. Today I am 67 have sex 2 to 3 x's / week with or with out my wife.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scm123 View Post
    I tried femara at 1/2 pill a day and it bottomed out my e2 at below 10.
    Agree with pmgamer18. Femara is too strong to use for HRT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmgamer18 View Post
    That is a strong med for E's going to low it will take some time to come back up but it will and if your on TRT it will come up faster. I was on Arimidex for a long time then the Generic came out I don't feel if works as good as Arimidex. And for me I have having big problems with E2 rebounding on me. So I switched to Aromasin doing 12.5 mgs /day so far it's great. I make to dam much aromatase and Aromasin kills it but the half life of Aromasin is about a day so one needs to take it everyday I have been doing 1.25 mgs. 2x's / day for 2 weeks and still have good night time and morning wood.

    You get your levels back up and follow the post I gave you about not going to low and your sex life will come back. It did for me I had ED for over 10 yr started on TRT at age 50 at age 60 I figured out it was high E2 levels. Today I am 67 have sex 2 to 3 x's / week with or with out my wife.
    hey phil

    are you dosing 12.5 mgs aromasin twice a day? and what times?

    reliably i start sweating like a mofo at 4 pm, so that would be the time my aromatase kicks in.

    I used to notice when taking indolplex DIM and zinc picolinate at 50 mg at night, i would have harder wood.

    Is nighttime the best for E2 killing, is it produced mostly at night?

    I also feel like i need to dose twice daily, perhaps i will try aromasin soon.

    Now:

    monday 125 mg test e shot, tested with 1 mg arimi and better wood next day spontaneous erections, then around 14-15 o clock i get sweaty again. Don't know if i went too low. Wednesday sweating like a pig, take .5 in the evening and i feel agressive, better wood and better mental outlook.

    Now sweating again since yesterday.

    I have high E2 from the get go (48 scale 0-53).

    Arimi seems to be dissipating too quickly. Perhaps cuz it's a competetive inhibitor.

    I might even go 2x a day aromasin and then at night 50 mg zinc and DIM.
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    When I started on it I was doing 12.5 mgs in the morning then later in the day I would get waves of panic come over me and sweat this was at about 5pm. So I took 12.5 mgs more will when I seen my Dr. last Tue. My E2 levels were at 8 to low it's the low levels making me feel like this.

    I am now in the process of lowering my Test C dose due to making too much E2 yes my levels are good but higher levels of E2 give me waves of Panic feeling even attacks. Now it looks like I drove my E2 down to low. I just read the other day at Dr. M forum going to low will cause Hot Flash's and this can feel like waves of Panic.

    So I went from 200mgs every 3 days to 80 mgs I was told on my next shot if I have feeling of Panic or Hot Flash's on my next shot cut down to 60 mgs if this helps go back up to 80 on he next one.

    Well doing this is working I have not needed to take anything to lower my Estradiol for 2 days now where before I was taking it everyday.

    My Dr. use to use a lab with your ranges we stopped using them I now use Quest labs there top of range is 1100 I feel with a range of 1600 your always going to look low I did. You can't just go by lab numbers you need to go by how your feel.

    I can tell you doing to much Test C to keep my numbers up drove up my E2 and I felt like crap from the high levels of Estraidol.

    I gage my levels of Estradiol by my night time and morning wood but doing preg. and prog. cream I can get wood in my sleep with very low levels or Estraidiol the Prog. cream worked that good on me. So here I am thinking I feel like this the waves of panic feels because my Estardiol is still to high. But now I read that going to low can make you feel like this and my labs for Estradol were last at 8 test before this 7.

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    I use arimidex as part of my regimen. I hear some prefer aromsin (sp?). Is one better than the other for TRT, especially as it relates to mood?

    Before I used the arimidex, I was very moody, but the arimidex resolved that.

    Aromasin irreversibly binds to aromatase, knocking out the enzyme completely. Adjusting dose can be trickier than with Arimidex since the enzyme it binds to is completely inactivated. It is easy to knock out almost all of estradiol by having too large a dose with Aromasin. It is almost all excreted in about a week. Lowering estradiol dose excessively can bring about low estrogen problems including reduced libido, hot flashes, increased cholesterol, etc.

    Arimidex competes with testosterone for binding to aromatase. Adjusting its effect involves increasing or decreasing the dose to get the desired binding effect on Aromatase to increase or decrease estradiol levels. The problem for Arimidex is that the duration of action very long. It takes up to 6 weeks to stabilize the dose and level of estradiol.

    Both are very expensive medications. Aromasin has to be taken every day since its duration of action is much shorter than Arimidex. Arimidex can be taken once a week to keep stable blood levels.

    I can't vouch for one or the other. Arimidex seems to be the one chosen by most practitioners. The ability to avoid daily dosing is a nice feature of Arimidex once steady levels of estradiol are established. One can, for example just take it on the day of a testosterone injection.
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    does anyone know of a good trt doctor in the Los Angeles are? Mine wasn't even testing my e2 levels until I told him. I am having penile sensitivity issues and want a good doc monitoring me as I adjust e2 levels to try and resolve it!

    Any advice is welcome.

    Thank you
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    He feels most problems people have are due to hormones.
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    Thanks PM by the way, I still don't feel right and I have been off the Femara for a week and a half (still waiting for more blood work on my E2 levels) How long do you think it will take for my E2 to come back .....I was panicky all my connective tissue hurt and I was depressed as sh!t I think it was near 0 or something. I don't want to try the arimidex until it is up high enough.
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    It can take a long time if you were low a long time your body needs to make more Aromatase what you were using kills it. Arimidex blocks it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmgamer18 View Post
    When I started on it I was doing 12.5 mgs in the morning then later in the day I would get waves of panic come over me and sweat this was at about 5pm. So I took 12.5 mgs more will when I seen my Dr. last Tue. My E2 levels were at 8 to low it's the low levels making me feel like this.

    I am now in the process of lowering my Test C dose due to making too much E2 yes my levels are good but higher levels of E2 give me waves of Panic feeling even attacks. Now it looks like I drove my E2 down to low. I just read the other day at Dr. M forum going to low will cause Hot Flash's and this can feel like waves of Panic.

    So I went from 200mgs every 3 days to 80 mgs I was told on my next shot if I have feeling of Panic or Hot Flash's on my next shot cut down to 60 mgs if this helps go back up to 80 on he next one.

    Well doing this is working I have not needed to take anything to lower my Estradiol for 2 days now where before I was taking it everyday.

    My Dr. use to use a lab with your ranges we stopped using them I now use Quest labs there top of range is 1100 I feel with a range of 1600 your always going to look low I did. You can't just go by lab numbers you need to go by how your feel.

    I can tell you doing to much Test C to keep my numbers up drove up my E2 and I felt like crap from the high levels of Estraidol.

    I gage my levels of Estradiol by my night time and morning wood but doing preg. and prog. cream I can get wood in my sleep with very low levels or Estraidiol the Prog. cream worked that good on me. So here I am thinking I feel like this the waves of panic feels because my Estardiol is still to high. But now I read that going to low can make you feel like this and my labs for Estradol were last at 8 test before this 7.

    Here is what Dr. M says about this.
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    I use arimidex as part of my regimen. I hear some prefer aromsin (sp?). Is one better than the other for TRT, especially as it relates to mood?

    Before I used the arimidex, I was very moody, but the arimidex resolved that.

    Aromasin irreversibly binds to aromatase, knocking out the enzyme completely. Adjusting dose can be trickier than with Arimidex since the enzyme it binds to is completely inactivated. It is easy to knock out almost all of estradiol by having too large a dose with Aromasin. It is almost all excreted in about a week. Lowering estradiol dose excessively can bring about low estrogen problems including reduced libido, hot flashes, increased cholesterol, etc.

    Arimidex competes with testosterone for binding to aromatase. Adjusting its effect involves increasing or decreasing the dose to get the desired binding effect on Aromatase to increase or decrease estradiol levels. The problem for Arimidex is that the duration of action very long. It takes up to 6 weeks to stabilize the dose and level of estradiol.

    Both are very expensive medications. Aromasin has to be taken every day since its duration of action is much shorter than Arimidex. Arimidex can be taken once a week to keep stable blood levels.

    I can't vouch for one or the other. Arimidex seems to be the one chosen by most practitioners. The ability to avoid daily dosing is a nice feature of Arimidex once steady levels of estradiol are established. One can, for example just take it on the day of a testosterone injection.
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    so phil

    ive been taking a couple higher arimi dosages and it felt too much, i had trouble sleeping and felt generally allround miserable

    it's like when i tried arimidex without T or HCG it made me feel like crap

    at a level of 48 arimidex took me down to 24 in 8 doses of .25 mg (without TRT)

    now on TRT it's too high as well, but 3 x .25 arimi doesn't really work for me

    what is the best plan of action of measuring T and E2?

    i take a shot on monday only and 2x250 iu hcg on weekend
    so 3 x .25 doesn't resolve my symptoms

    1 mg on shot day gives me somewhat bad sleep and headaches but it also lowers my e2 to a good point since i get spontaneous wood, but i don't know if this 1 mg is driving me down too fast on e2 and that's why i feel like crap

    then on tuesday i am sweating again so it feels like high e2 symptoms

    then wednesday also sweating so i take .5 in the evening and feel great

    then friday i took 1 mg to see reaction and i felt worse

    so 3 questions:

    1. if i take shot on monday what day can i best measure total t and e2? thursday?

    2. i think 1 mg at once is too much for me, .5 is a better dose, i might need to go to .5 every day but not sure.. shall i measure blood with 3 x .5 to start and go from there? i mean, if my e2 on thursday is still too high should i up to 4x or 5x a week?

    3. what test level would be good for me on thursday on 125 mg? if it's superlow i might be a hyperexcreter but i generally feel pretty good on thursday and friday as well, on weekend i do feel like i need the boost, i almost might say i would rather have 125 mg test e E5D instead of hcg on weekends

    thanks man
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    That settles it! I am switching to amdex .25mg ever 3 days when my estrogen labs show levels back up in the 40s and I will get it to 20-25 and I bet my w@!ner will be mister sensitive again!
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    I use my night time and morning wood to gage how my E2 levels are. If I took to much Arimidex and did not have wood at night. I would see if I can get it up good and fast and it's a hard one before getting out of bed. If not I know I went to low and I would stop taking the arimidex until my night time and morning wood came back. If I found my night time wood was weak bending in the middle not very hard and I have sore and hared nipples I know my E2 levels are going up. It is then I would take more Arimidex like going from every 3 days to every 2 days. Then again is I go to low I stop until wood comes back and that morning I go back on it but back to every 3 days.

    I feel what you have done hear is went to low but your rebounding very fast. When this happens it's very hard to tell what's going on.

    So for your questions:

    1) do your labs in the morning of your next shot but before it and don't do the HCG the days before it.

    2) I never take meds before labs if you do Arimidex in the morning they do your labs your going to look low.

    3) If you feel your eating up your T as fast as you shoot it like Dr. Shippen does do your shots every 3 days and do your HCG the day before it. I have been on this for over 6 yrs. So if you do 125 mgs / wk then try 50 mgs every 3 days doing this will help keep your more leveled and help keep your blood thinner also help to keep your E2 down because your not doing a big shot all at once.

    Talk to your Dr. about trying this. I went to low and I was on Prog. cream this helped with my wood so much that going to low 8 pg/ml I still had good wood in my sleep. But I was having waves of feelings like panic and sweating bad like Dr. M says so said my Dr. what I was having is Hot Flash's from low E2 and it was setting of my panic problems.

    I was doing 100 mgs of Test C every 3 days to keep my levels up but doing this I needed a lot of Arimidex to keep my E2 in check.

    So I switched to Aromasin the first week on it I was doing 12.5 mgs 2 x's a day driving my E2 even lower.

    My Dr. had me cut back on my Test C shot from 100 mgs to 80 mgs and told me if I had the sweats and waves of panic to go down to 60 mgs on my next Test C shot that I do every 3 days.

    Well this worked now I only need 12.5 mgs of Aromasin every 3 days. So he said if this works go back up to 80 mgs. I do this shot tomorrow morning I feel dam good doing this. Here is what my levels looked like on 100 mgs every 3 days.

    Testosterone, Total 917 range 250 1100 ng/dL.

    Testosterone, Free 201.0 range 46.0 224.0 pg/mL.

    Testosterone, Bioavailable 395.9 range 110.0 to 575.0 ng/dL.

    SHBG 22 range 17 54 nmol/L.

    Albumin, Serum 4.3 range 3.6 5.1 g/dL.

    Estradiol 8 low range 13 to 54 pg/ml


    Here is a copy of what I tell men on arimidex so they don't go to low.
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    How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.

    What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs.

    The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it.

    Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

    I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up.

    I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days.

    So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

    I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need .25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

    So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

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    1) do your labs in the morning of your next shot but before it and don't do the HCG the days before it.

    i did this before.. on 125 mg test e the level comes back on monday before shot at 11 (scale 0-35) when i skipped the hcg.. so hcg is definitely needed to keep levels up..

    what day then is best? if i take shot on monday peak level will be reached on day 2 right? if i test thursday, what should my level of total T be to assume i am NOT a hyperexcreter?

    2) I never take meds before labs if you do Arimidex in the morning they do your labs your going to look low.

    okay so take test e shot on monday, take arimidex on wednesday .5 mg and thursday morning test total T and E2?

    3) If you feel your eating up your T as fast as you shoot it like Dr. Shippen does do your shots every 3 days and do your HCG the day before it. I have been on this for over 6 yrs. So if you do 125 mgs / wk then try 50 mgs every 3 days doing this will help keep your more leveled and help keep your blood thinner also help to keep your E2 down because your not doing a big shot all at once.

    i understand.. but i first need to establish a baseline.. on sustanon 125 mg i reached level 11 without hcg on monday..

    so i need to know by my thursday blooddraw if my total t is high enough (feel great so suppose good levels) and see if im not a hyperexcreter

    also i need to judge my e2 on thursday since then it has had time to do it's work and will not give a skewed result

    sound like a plan?

    ps e2 was 102 on the day my test was 11, i believe you said optimum for e2 in that scale was 70
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    I like to know how low I am the morning of my next shot that is why my Dr. has me do labs the morning of my next shot but before my shot. And yes HCG helps keep your levels up but if you do HCG before your labs you don't know what your Test shot is doing.

    To see your peak levels you would do labs the 3rd. day after your shot.

    Your doing 125 mgs / week of Sustanon only hitting a level of 11 your 1) eating it up very fast or 2) need to try half the shot 2x's per week. We feel bad with levels fall this low you need to get up into the upper 1/3 of your labs range. A good level for you would be 20 to 23.

    As for E2 levels you best level is 74.

    I don't care what my peak levels are all I care about is how low I fall by my next shot. You need to get off this roller coaster ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmgamer18 View Post
    I like to know how low I am the morning of my next shot that is why my Dr. has me do labs the morning of my next shot but before my shot. And yes HCG helps keep your levels up but if you do HCG before your labs you don't know what your Test shot is doing.

    To see your peak levels you would do labs the 3rd. day after your shot.

    Your doing 125 mgs / week of Sustanon only hitting a level of 11 your 1) eating it up very fast or 2) need to try half the shot 2x's per week. We feel bad with levels fall this low you need to get up into the upper 1/3 of your labs range. A good level for you would be 20 to 23.

    As for E2 levels you best level is 74.

    I don't care what my peak levels are all I care about is how low I fall by my next shot. You need to get off this roller coaster ride.
    hi phil

    i think you're not quite getting what im saying

    my T level after 1 week on a shot (without hcg on the weekend) is 11 (0-35) which is like my normal level

    so 125 mg sust brings me to a peak on like thursday or wednesday, then in weekend it goes lower and monday hits 11, i think this is a normal way of leveling down on a t shot and the reason dr john uses hcg in the weekend to prevent coming this low

    do you have a graph for me with the curve of a test injection?

    it's not a rollercoaster ride since hcg keeps me leveled till monday, only thing i need to do is finetune arimi dosage
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    I asked my doctor about hcg yesterday and he said that there was no good data on long term use and that unless I am ready to have kids I should stay away from it. What do you think about that.

    I am still waiting for my estrogen to return to normal its still below 10 after 2 weeks :-/
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    My Estriadol is back up to 30 finally after 3 weeks! When it gets up to 40 I will start on the 1/4 arimidex every 3 days and see what happens.

    Do you think HCG would make any difference for penile sensitivity and orgasmic pleasure or is that more of a general sense of wellbeing thing?
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    My E2 is up to 34 finally I can try my 1/4 pill of Arimidex
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    Where is your shbg?
    I have patients e2 that are 40 and feel great
    mine is 35 and I can screw like a rabbit. I think you are going to make matters worse
    with e2 of 34 that can be easily manipulated through life style and proper nutrients balancing. I think u are making a huge mistake. If your shbg is 18-20 then fine but other wise you are just drawing strawls and grasping at anything potentially in making your pre existing condition worse.
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    My lab sheet states the optimal estradiol (E2) range is 0.5-2.2 pg/ml. My E2 came back at 1.5. A lot of you have E2 levels that are way above the optimal range. Am I misunderstanding E2 ranges? Are E2 levels of 40 or more normal? When it comes to E2 levels, is lower or higher better?
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    The Matrix I have been told on here that the E2 above 30 or ANY level above my sweet spot "whatever that is" will cause the decreased penile sensitivity and reduced orgasmic pleasure. Why are you harping on shbg? will that effect the sensitivity? I am still learning here. You are a doctor? Have you had patients with the sensitivity problem?
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    When I was first diagnosed with low t I had severely reduced sensitivity in my whole lower pelvic region and almost no pleasure from orgasm. Both came back to about 85% of normal on 5 grams of androgel during the "kick" before my normal t shut off. Then the symptoms were back. After not getting high enough on 10g of androgel my doc brought it back down to 5 and started test cyp shots of 100mg a week. my sensitivity got back to about 50% then stopped. All my other symptoms disappeared within 2 weeks of my levels being normal. I am stuck here and have been for 4 months now. I am desperate and scared.

    I went to the boston medical group and they did a vibration test on my penis and said the nerves were working. They did an ultrasound and said the bloodflow was good. I have no scar tissue that would interfere with sensation.

    After turning to the net in desperation I saw PMgamer18 talk about his issues with sensitivity and ed. I checked and my estradiol was 40 on one test and 45 on another. It was 25 when I was on 5g of gel when I had a full blood panel. My only hope for now is to try to get it down to 25 again like PMgamer18 suggested and hope it works.

    I tried with Femara 8 weeks ago and it obliterated my E2 now it is back above 30 so I want to try the 1/4 mg of arimidex.

    Where does shbg fit into all this? please help me understand.

    I apologize for the long post.
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    shgb helps make e2 doe it's job. Higher the shbg more e2 your body can handl e lower shbg then lower e2 has to be. Pmgamer and I have known ech other for years and talk on the phone each week. Every one is different what works for one may not work for the other. Why you have to know what is right for your chemistry.


    Quote Originally Posted by scm123 View Post
    When I was first diagnosed with low t I had severely reduced sensitivity in my whole lower pelvic region and almost no pleasure from orgasm. Both came back to about 85% of normal on 5 grams of androgel during the "kick" before my normal t shut off. Then the symptoms were back. After not getting high enough on 10g of androgel my doc brought it back down to 5 and started test cyp shots of 100mg a week. my sensitivity got back to about 50% then stopped. All my other symptoms disappeared within 2 weeks of my levels being normal. I am stuck here and have been for 4 months now. I am desperate and scared.

    I went to the boston medical group and they did a vibration test on my penis and said the nerves were working. They did an ultrasound and said the bloodflow was good. I have no scar tissue that would interfere with sensation.

    After turning to the net in desperation I saw PMgamer18 talk about his issues with sensitivity and ed. I checked and my estradiol was 40 on one test and 45 on another. It was 25 when I was on 5g of gel when I had a full blood panel. My only hope for now is to try to get it down to 25 again like PMgamer18 suggested and hope it works.

    I tried with Femara 8 weeks ago and it obliterated my E2 now it is back above 30 so I want to try the 1/4 mg of arimidex.

    Where does shbg fit into all this? please help me understand.

    I apologize for the long post.
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    I will ask my endo if I can test my shbg when I see him tuesday. I am so thankful I have the support of people on this post. Thank you The Matrix. Do you treat a lot of trt guys?
    Do you agree that shbg and or E2 levels may be causing the sensitivity issue? Are there other things I should look for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scm123 View Post
    I will ask my endo if I can test my shbg when I see him tuesday. I am so thankful I have the support of people on this post. Thank you The Matrix. Do you treat a lot of trt guys?
    Do you agree that shbg and or E2 levels may be causing the sensitivity issue? Are there other things I should look for?
    Yes we treat alot of guys on TRT, but we tend to look at why do you need it what other imbalances or hidden metabolic road blocks could be preventing the body from making on its own. I have dealt with probably a few thousand guys in course of my time, but each time its a learning experience. I just had lunch with Dr john crisler and we had a great tim and some good conversation. He is really a fantastic stand up guy. So I am slowly working my way up the chain..: ) Slowly over the course of the next 5 years I plan on having Dr's going to the integrative implementing more advance testing on isolating the cause rather then just treating the symptoms.
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    I am sick of my endo not knowing what he is doing. I am going to try a guy named Irwin goldstein he runs a sexual health clinic in Sand Diego. Have you heard of him?

    I wish I lived near Dr. Crisler or you. I want to try hcg but my endo said its dangerous with no long term studies and should only be used if I want to have kids.

    I can't wait to see if this new doc is better. He seems to pay more attention to the big hormonal picture from his site. I hope that is the case.
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    Thank you again for your help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scm123 View Post
    Thank you again for your help.
    No but the money you have spent could have bought a plan ticket to some one that could have help you..Who ever that may have been.
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    I know and that is what is so damn frustrating.
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    He won't admit he doesn't know what to do he keeps saying just wait and see it takes a while. After months of waiting I finally went on here out of frustration! He should admit he doesn't know what to do and refer me to someone who does. Ugh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scm123 View Post
    He won't admit he doesn't know what to do he keeps saying just wait and see it takes a while. After months of waiting I finally went on here out of frustration! He should admit he doesn't know what to do and refer me to someone who does. Ugh!
    Been there bro
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    $70000 blown on chasing my tail and crazy online supplements which only gave me false hope because I was just drawing strawls. That is why I started studying human body like never before researching several thousands of hours studies various topics. I have 5 years of clinic expereince dealing with any kind of health related illness under an MD supervision. Everything that people have gone through on here I have been through and then some.

    That is why I am here to help educate people so they do not waste years of there life making the same mistakes I made. If you have the option, bite the bullet and do what you have to do to get better. With out health there is no wealth. I have very extremely wealthy clients and money means crap when you can not enjoy it and can even have fun with your family. These moments are priceless..

    Best piece of advice is never give up hope and keep believing because eventually it will manifest it self...Stay positive focus. There are alot of other people out there who have it alot worse then we have it, but some times we tend this and need to reflect on people that are dying of cancer and other deadly diseases. We complain about alittle ED or PE compared to how they are suffering..
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    Thank you The Matrix.

    This doctor is an editor and chief of the Journal of Sexual Health and seems to know his stuff. His receptionist says he looks at balances of hormones not just testosterone. He looks at E2, prolactin, shbg, calculates your bio available testosterone, looks at dht, and adrenal hormones that can affect sexual function. (My doc looked at these one time in the beginning then just looked at free and total t). Many men come to him on trt with ED or sensitivity/orgasm issues. She says he has helped many of them regain full function. If he doesn't work I am going to Dr. Mariano, the only reason I am not seeing Dr. Mariano already is he is so far away (7 hour drive). This guy is a 1 1/2 hour drive.

    It is hard not to be depressed about this stuff. I am glad I have someone to message who understands. I am sorry you had to waste so much time and money on this.

    Hopefully I won't have to repeat the experience, but we will see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scm123 View Post
    Thank you The Matrix.

    This doctor is an editor and chief of the Journal of Sexual Health and seems to know his stuff. His receptionist says he looks at balances of hormones not just testosterone. He looks at E2, prolactin, shbg, calculates your bio available testosterone, looks at dht, and adrenal hormones that can affect sexual function. (My doc looked at these one time in the beginning then just looked at free and total t). Many men come to him on trt with ED or sensitivity/orgasm issues. She says he has helped many of them regain full function. If he doesn't work I am going to Dr. Mariano, the only reason I am not seeing Dr. Mariano already is he is so far away (7 hour drive). This guy is a 1 1/2 hour drive.

    It is hard not to be depressed about this stuff. I am glad I have someone to message who understands. I am sorry you had to waste so much time and money on this.

    Hopefully I won't have to repeat the experience, but we will see.
    but he tends to overlook lifestyle, nutrition, proper stress management and not looking for the root causes? Dr's can just focus on one area and forget about the other which I have found to be actually more important. I prefer not to use the bandaid approach with patients/clients.
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    Not sure if he looks at the other things or root causes. I will know more when I see him. FYI I eat a balanced healthy diet, maintain a healthy weight and do weights and cardio 3 times a week at the gym. I also take a multi vitamin and mineral, calcium and omega 3 fatty acids every day. Not sure what else to do in this area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scm123 View Post
    Not sure if he looks at the other things or root causes. I will know more when I see him. FYI I eat a balanced healthy diet, maintain a healthy weight and do weights and cardio 3 times a week at the gym. I also take a multi vitamin and mineral, calcium and omega 3 fatty acids every day. Not sure what else to do in this area.
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    I had a free 10 minute phone consult with this doctor today. I was on Prozac for 2 years and when I came off it my sensitivity and orgasmic pleasure did not return. That was what eventually lead me to get a blood test a year and a half later and found my total t was 300 on one test then 280 on another. I discovered I had low T and started this journey.

    This doctor said he thinks I have post SSRI sexual dysfunction and that is why it won't come back.

    He also said at 37 and still wanting to have kids testosterone is the wrong thing to give me. He wants me to use Clomid to stimulate my natural production. He said test over the long term might damage my ability to have kids. What do you guys think?

    I am more confused than ever! Has anyone ever heard of Post SSRI sexual dysfunction?

    UGH!!!!!!!!
  

  
 

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