An update from me, plus some questions.
- 08-20-2007, 12:14 PM
An update from me, plus some questions.
I've been on 1 tube of 1% Testim per day for 13 days now. The first 6 or 7 days were pretty uneventful, although I think my mood was slightly elevated from before. The last week has been horrible though. Lethargy is way up, soreness is way up, and I just have an overall fatigued tired feeling all the time.
I also noticed something weird with the gel that started happening 3 days ago. When I shower before bed at night (12 hrs after application of gel) there is a film-like substance over the area of application, almost like the gel is not absorbing and it's just sitting in the top layer of my skin all day and then being washed off at night. I also noticed that when I workout (4 hrs after application), my shirt is soaked on the areas of application and I never used to sweat that much before. I wonder if the gel is not absorbing? I certainly feel like my T has dropped even lower.
- 08-20-2007, 12:38 PM
You are on day 13.
I suggest you do blood test asap.
Use part of my list post #44
Jan's BloodTest April13/2007
Ask your doc to write this straight on script paper and not use Quest's forms.
At minimum the items designated (LC/MS/MS)
40 T3 Free
54 DHEA sulfate
58 Progesterone, LC/MS/MS
60 Estradiol, Free, LC/MS/MS (36169X)
63 Estrogens, Fractionated, LC/MS/MS (36742X)
67 Estrogen, Total, Serum (439X)
68 Testosterone, Free, Bio/Total (LC/MS/MS)
74 Dihydrotestosterone, Free, Serum (36168X)
After you get results, proceed accordingly.
If low on T, do not popo, ask for DepoT shots and HCG and arimidex (so you can have it just in case)
When starting T shots, do not start on "standard" 100mg/week weekly shots.
Calculate your dose per your SHBG level.
Also if your SHBG is around 20-22 or lower do frequent injections, E3D or even E2D if SHBG is real low.
Use 31ga needles subq shots for T&hcg so you avoid pain and other lasting discomforts related to deep IM shots.
You probably will need script for compounded pregnenolone cream, possibly also Armour.
If you have patience experiment with different kind of transdermals to further sicientific discoveries.
- 08-20-2007, 02:16 PM
After one month you will know if gels are good for you. If you are hypothyroid or suspect thyroid problems then after 1 month and no increase from gels goto depot shots. Do not wait around. IF thyroid is the problem correcting thyroid will increase absorption of the gel. TEst accordingly
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08-22-2007, 03:44 PM
It might not matter, I might just give up and see Dr. John. I'm still gonna give my regular doc a few months before I give up on him, but today when I went for my glucose tolerance test I asked him to recheck my T levels since it's been 2 weeks on the gel. He said it takes 6 weeks so checking now would do no good. I also told him about the filmy **** that is on me when I shower and sweat and he said I shouldnt be doing any of that within 4 hrs of application! On Testim's freakin patient info slip inside the box it says you can do all that within 2 hrs....Dr. John says it's ok within 1 hour. Why so many differing opinions? 4 hours is ridiculous.
So I'll be patient still. Let him wait for the recheck, fine. But if my levels still suck on recheck and his solution is to deny my injections and make me apply even more of that smelly pain-in-the-ass gel, I guess the cost of Dr. John would be worth it to not play these games anymore.
08-22-2007, 04:17 PM
Jan's BloodTest April13/2007
bottom of post #56
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08-22-2007, 04:19 PM
08-22-2007, 05:05 PM
From guys that I know who have used testim its seems to be not as effective as androgel. I have heard this from numerious people. Why can't you dr call in a compunded cream for you and save you and your insurance major bucks and the embarassment of smelling like a walking phamaacy. CF10 call a local compunding pharamcy and see where most of there testosterone creams and gels are prescribe from and then go from there..Usually they have in database names of drs that prescribes from and then they can refer you..
Welcome to Pavilion Compounding Pharmacy's Website
08-22-2007, 05:16 PM
08-22-2007, 07:17 PM
Your looking at applying a whole lot less cream.
Give it a while.
Remember you need hcG and Preg cream soon.
I do not understand why alot even try and deal with Docs.
I don't care where I lived in the US I would make the drive to Lansing.
08-22-2007, 07:25 PM
Last I was using 100mg/1gram-------10%
previously Androgel ---------------1%
dr John uses three kinds
who is recomending 20%, who is making it ?
08-22-2007, 07:30 PM
I ment the 10% strength.
You have used both.
How much less liquid was the compounded cream.
08-22-2007, 07:50 PM
That is a lot of gel, covered both sides from top down to tighs, but quick, 2 minutes or so ready to go.
DHT=20 or 29 when on Avodart
I used 1gram of crem, 100mg/1gram, because by my calculation it contained the same amount of testosterone as previusly on Androgel.
When I got this blood test I changed to 2grams of T cream, close to half hour drying time with no clothes.
Latter I decided on Depo-Testosterone
I calculated required (preliminary) dose based on my SHBG level and the charts on my thread.
Doing this since 6/19/06
Newer felt better since I started on testosterone supplementation about Jan 2003.
Today is day #64, wonder if that is some kind of rebound or (hopefully) steady state getting possibly better.
If only the girl was cooperating it would be cloose to real good.
Will get my blood test soon.
08-22-2007, 08:37 PM
08-22-2007, 09:21 PM
I would have made the trip long ago trust me, but there is a problem. I can afford the trip and the fees Dr. John charges but I cannot afford the labs and drugs needed for the TRT process. Thats why I am hoping to get through to my PCP, because insurance will cover it.
Also, I know that you advocate gel or cream HAN but the amount of cream is the least of my worries with it. I do not like the fact that my family is scared to touch what I touch. I also do not like waiting to sweat, because often times I am working outdoors first thing in the AM and there is no time to let it dry. Also, I do seem to have an absorbtion problem even though my doc said the filmy residue was normal.
Finally, I want to ask, what is the reason for using pregnenolone cream? I have a pretty decent knowledge of test, E2, thyroid and the drugs needed like T, A-dex (maybe), Armour (or synthroid, cytomel, etc), and HCG....but I havent gotten into pregnenolone much. Little help to get me started?
08-22-2007, 10:46 PM
The reason we add Preg/Dhea is because any time you start adding in exogenous T your body will cease to make other androgenic hormones. By adding in Preg, which is the mother hormone of all others, you replenish what your body has stopped making becuase of being on HRT.
08-23-2007, 07:41 AM
it is going to be hard not to use as a cream.
But you can try first as pills and see how you respond.
Testosterone, ask for Depo-T 200mg/mL
If you short on money, you can get very inexpensive from compounding paharmacy, PM me.
I stopped Androgel and Tcream for exactly the reasons you have.
08-23-2007, 04:27 PM
08-23-2007, 07:11 PM
Bioperine® piperine (from black pepper)
as used to increase absorbtion.
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08-24-2007, 11:13 AM
The drugs for TRT are cheap, I dont even use insurance for them . (assuming you need trt ) You can still push the labs needed through your PCP to get insurance to pay for them. Exactly what I do. Think about what's most important in your life and go from there. I went to see Dr John 2 weeks ago and wish I hadn't jacked around with a local Dr who isnt really up on the stuff. I'm very happy to have made the trip! I decided my health is number one important to me and I want to be able to look back and say I went all out and saw the best. With the other Dr I'd always be looking back thinking, "Is this the right thing, do I really need TRT? Is there something else but since she doesnt have the experience she doesnt know?" I'd never feel confident and always be wondering. Dr John is really a cool guy. There's a reason guys from Australia come to see him. I was in the same mindset you are but most of what was stopping me wasnt based on fact. I love not having the burden of trying to research and figure out this stuff on my own!
Good luck to you bro.
08-24-2007, 11:26 AM
08-24-2007, 02:34 PM
08-24-2007, 05:44 PM
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08-25-2007, 11:29 AM
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