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After trying Androgel for 6months, with not very good results, I went to test cyp. 100mg once aweek. Resuts are as follows.

Test was done on day six. Quest Diagnostics
686 total range 241-827
4.6 Albumin 3.6-5.1
17 SHBG 9-45
224 Free 34-194
471 F weakly bound 84-402
0.2 LH 1.5-9.3
69 Estradiol 13-54
1.1 Free T4 .7-1.55
1.74 TSH .25-5.0

Any advice on getting some of these numbers in normal range?
Doc also wants me to goto injections every 10 days as opposed to weekly. How do you think this will affect numbers?
 
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After trying Androgel for 6months, with not very good results, I went to test cyp. 100mg once aweek. Resuts are as follows.

Test was done on day six. Quest Diagnostics
686 total range 241-827
4.6 Albumin 3.6-5.1
17 SHBG 9-45
224 Free 34-194
471 F weakly bound 84-402
0.2 LH 1.5-9.3
69 Estradiol 13-54
1.1 Free T4 .7-1.55
1.74 TSH .25-5.0

Any advice on getting some of these numbers in normal range?
Doc also wants me to goto injections every 10 days as opposed to weekly. How do you think this will affect numbers?

Day 6 is about day when max TT level happens, it was lower before and it is going down from day 6 on. When you are on weekly routine, you have too many days in between when your TT is too low.
So your current readings that are slightly over the range are ok.
E3D routine would be better, you would get more time on better TT levels.

With T shots you should also have HCG

Do not do more than weekly T shots.
No to 10 days.
Actually you be better off having your T+HCG shots E3D,
that go twice, because your SHBG is getting low.

If you are not using HCG but would start, your testis may produce some T, you may have to reduce current 100mg/week dose, but do all this on E3D basis.
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Your E2 is slightly high, use 1/2 Arimidex pill per week.
I use LiquiDex, easier to measure using insuline syringe.
You would have more information on your estrogens had you did tests that are on my list, post #44, positions (60-67)
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jans-bloodtest-april13-2.html
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When testing thyroid always get
FreeT3 and FreeT4
on top of anything else you doc wants.
Now is hard to say anything about your thyroid.
 

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After trying Androgel for 6months, with not very good results, I went to test cyp. 100mg once aweek. Resuts are as follows.

Test was done on day six. Quest Diagnostics
686 total range 241-827
4.6 Albumin 3.6-5.1
17 SHBG 9-45
224 Free 34-194
471 F weakly bound 84-402
0.2 LH 1.5-9.3
69 Estradiol 13-54
1.1 Free T4 .7-1.55
1.74 TSH .25-5.0

Any advice on getting some of these numbers in normal range?
Doc also wants me to goto injections every 10 days as opposed to weekly. How do you think this will affect numbers?

It would be worth getting your labs done again at day 2 or 3, when TT peaks. You have a healthy level at day 6, although free is above the range. I suspect that at day 2 or 3, you might be above the range, so you might need to adjust your total weekly dose downward.
 

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Day 6 is about day when max TT level happens, it was lower before and it is going down from day 6 on. When you are on weekly routine, you have too many days in between when your TT is too low.
So your current readings that are slightly over the range are ok.
E3D routine would be better, you would get more time on better TT levels.

With T shots you should also have HCG

Do not do more than weekly T shots.
No to 10 days.
Actually you be better off having your T+HCG shots E3D,
that go twice, because your SHBG is getting low.

If you are not using HCG but would start, your testis may produce some T, you may have to reduce current 100mg/week dose, but do all this on E3D basis.
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Your E2 is slightly high, use 1/2 Arimidex pill per week.
I use LiquiDex, easier to measure using insuline syringe.
You would have more information on your estrogens had you did tests that are on my list, post #44, positions (60-67)
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jans-bloodtest-april13-2.html
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When testing thyroid always get
FreeT3 and FreeT4
on top of anything else you doc wants.
Now is hard to say anything about your thyroid.
What does E3D stand for? Is it every 3 days? My doc said he is going to give me a script For HCG.
 
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What does E3D stand for? Is it every 3 days? My doc said he is going to give me a script For HCG.
Take HCG.

Do E3D routine, every three days,
day-1 (T&hcg shots plus 1/4cc LiquiDex)
day-2 nothing
day-3 nothing
day-4 (T&hcg shots plus 1/4cc LiquiDex)
day-5 nothing
day-6 nothing
continue E3D routine

You are not going to change your 100mg/week, but your dose is:
You are using 200mg/mL tetosterone right?
100/7*3/200=0.214cc~21units on insuline syringe

each T shot=21 units
each hcg shot =500iu

use subq injections around navel
use this needles:
BD Ultrafine II U-100 Insulin Syringe 31 Gauge 3/10cc 5/16inch Short Needle--1/2 Unit Markings 100/b
BD Ultrafine II U-100 Insulin Syringe 31 Gauge 3/10cc 5/16inch Short Needle--1/2 Unit Markings 100/b Price: $25.95
or this:
Colostomy Supplies, Pet Diabetic Supplies
Easy Touch U-100 Insulin Syringe 31 Gauge 3/10cc 5/16 inch Short Needle 100/Box Sale Price: $13.99
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Time to worry about the rest of you.
Two to three months into above routine get yourself blood test.
Do the whole list as written, at quest diagnostics.
Look for post #44
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jans-bloodtest-april13-2.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/918085-post44.html

Do the blood draw on the day of the shot, time of the shot, before the shot
 

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Your E2 is slightly high, use 1/2 Arimidex pill per week.
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That is an understatement.

Your E2 level is horrible, absolutely horrible.

LEF recommends an E level of 17 - 20. You are nearly 4 times over limit.

In TRT the goal is to aim for bio indentical hormones to match those of a healthy adult in early - mid 20's.

Typical hormone profile of such adult is usually

TT 600 - 800
E2 17 - 25

I have seen BW from many healthy, they usually match this.

E levels always in teens, low 20's in thin, healthy adults.

You will likely never be satisfied with TRT as long as E is running wild.

Start with 1mg per week arimidex.

Adjust according to BW

Your Dr sounds uneducated to such matters, given his lack of knowledge in E area and wanting to switch from E7D to E10D(which is crazy talk). You may have to switch Dr or try and educate him first. Most have found this to be fruitless and a waste of time and end up switching Dr anyways.
 
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That is an understatement.

Your E2 level is horrible, absolutely horrible.

LEF recommends an E level of 17 - 20. You are nearly 4 times over limit.

In TRT the goal is to aim for bio indentical hormones to match those of a healthy adult in early - mid 20's.

Typical hormone profile of such adult is usually

TT 600 - 800
E2 17 - 25

I have seen BW from many healthy, they usually match this.

E levels always in teens, low 20's in thin, healthy adults.

You will likely never be satisfied with TRT as long as E is running wild.

Start with 1mg per week arimidex.

Adjust according to BW

Your Dr sounds uneducated to such matters, given his lack of knowledge in E area and wanting to switch from E7D to E10D(which is crazy talk). You may have to switch Dr or try and educate him first. Most have found this to be fruitless and a waste of time and end up switching Dr anyways.
Beauty is in eye of a beholder.
 

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Take HCG.

Do E3D routine, every three days,
day-1 (T&hcg shots plus 1/4cc LiquiDex)
day-2 nothing
day-3 nothing
day-4 (T&hcg shots plus 1/4cc LiquiDex)
day-5 nothing
day-6 nothing
continue E3D routine

You are not going to change your 100mg/week, but your dose is:
You are using 200mg/mL tetosterone right?
100/7*3/200=0.214cc~21units on insuline syringe

each T shot=21 units
each hcg shot =500iu

use subq injections around navel
use this needles:
BD Ultrafine II U-100 Insulin Syringe 31 Gauge 3/10cc 5/16inch Short Needle--1/2 Unit Markings 100/b
BD Ultrafine II U-100 Insulin Syringe 31 Gauge 3/10cc 5/16inch Short Needle--1/2 Unit Markings 100/b Price: $25.95
or this:
Colostomy Supplies, Pet Diabetic Supplies
Easy Touch U-100 Insulin Syringe 31 Gauge 3/10cc 5/16 inch Short Needle 100/Box Sale Price: $13.99
================================================================================================================================
Time to worry about the rest of you.
Two to three months into above routine get yourself blood test.
Do the whole list as written, at quest diagnostics.
Look for post #44
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jans-bloodtest-april13-2.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/918085-post44.html

Do the blood draw on the day of the shot, time of the shot, before the shot
I am using 100mg or 1/2cc Test cyp. per week. Another question Will HCG have any affect on the E2? The reason I ask is, I want to take as little meds as possibly needed. The testosterone is a must seeing that my original level was in the mid 200's. If I can get by without using armidex or Liquidex I would prefer that. Or are you saying that is also going to be a must?
 

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