Stork
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Hello All,
I'm a new arrival to TRT. I'm 54 and tested 332 for Total T, have had all the symptoms for years, so my paid doctor gave me script for Androgel 10mg a day. I filled it using my primary care doc at Kaiser (hmo). I went to a private endo who let me try Testim, which worked even better (AG 800 Testim 1100), but I asked for injections to make things easier and less transferable. That was a month or so ago, and my Kaiser primary doctor wanted me to see an endo there (to cover himself on writing these prescriptions) What a disheartening visit!
Doctor Tong told me that Testosterone levels of 300 (and an earlier test of 400 in early morning) were absolutely normal, and that my symptoms, foggy head, memory challenges, lower libido and so on were simply signs of stress and depression. "There is NO EVIDENCE," he said, "that a testosterone level of 800-1100 is any better than one of 300. I went to try and get HCG for my softening, shrinking jewels, but he told me to wean myself from the test and take anti-depressants. He sort of smirked when I told him I use protein powder, like I was some misguided juicer on protein, and he said I would wreck my liver. He claimed that the clinics specializing in this are motivated by a hunger for profits, and that they assume that people need to have the hormones of a 25 year old.
I'm using 100-150mg of T-cyp a week (working with outside endo on dosage and timing) and take zinc 50mg a day and DIM as well, although I've never had symptoms of gyno or a blood levels test for same. Kaiser's endo will now squelch my ability to get my scripts filled cheaply I'm afraid. My only other problem (other than testicles shutting down) is that I'm often red-faced and blushing. Dr.Tong says I probably have high hemoglobin caused by the injections.
I asked about all of you, why are you feeling better, stronger, more sexually confident, and more alert, and Dr. Tong said it was from the placebo effect, and reiterated that there is no evidence one would feel better at 800 compared to 300. He says that stress will lower one's T levels and said those in boot camp have almost no testosterone at the time.
Now I really AM depressed.
I'm a new arrival to TRT. I'm 54 and tested 332 for Total T, have had all the symptoms for years, so my paid doctor gave me script for Androgel 10mg a day. I filled it using my primary care doc at Kaiser (hmo). I went to a private endo who let me try Testim, which worked even better (AG 800 Testim 1100), but I asked for injections to make things easier and less transferable. That was a month or so ago, and my Kaiser primary doctor wanted me to see an endo there (to cover himself on writing these prescriptions) What a disheartening visit!
Doctor Tong told me that Testosterone levels of 300 (and an earlier test of 400 in early morning) were absolutely normal, and that my symptoms, foggy head, memory challenges, lower libido and so on were simply signs of stress and depression. "There is NO EVIDENCE," he said, "that a testosterone level of 800-1100 is any better than one of 300. I went to try and get HCG for my softening, shrinking jewels, but he told me to wean myself from the test and take anti-depressants. He sort of smirked when I told him I use protein powder, like I was some misguided juicer on protein, and he said I would wreck my liver. He claimed that the clinics specializing in this are motivated by a hunger for profits, and that they assume that people need to have the hormones of a 25 year old.
I'm using 100-150mg of T-cyp a week (working with outside endo on dosage and timing) and take zinc 50mg a day and DIM as well, although I've never had symptoms of gyno or a blood levels test for same. Kaiser's endo will now squelch my ability to get my scripts filled cheaply I'm afraid. My only other problem (other than testicles shutting down) is that I'm often red-faced and blushing. Dr.Tong says I probably have high hemoglobin caused by the injections.
I asked about all of you, why are you feeling better, stronger, more sexually confident, and more alert, and Dr. Tong said it was from the placebo effect, and reiterated that there is no evidence one would feel better at 800 compared to 300. He says that stress will lower one's T levels and said those in boot camp have almost no testosterone at the time.
Now I really AM depressed.
