hcg and estradiol

[maguire]

hey guys im a 21 year old guy with no history at all of taking steriods or anything like that. Ive been really struggling the last four years with depression and brain fog fatigue type symptoms that come totally out of nowhere..ie there is no concevable reason for me to be depressed. Ive finally seen a good doctor though and he has me on HCG 250ius everyday which i think is alot but here are my numbers u tell me. My thyroid and adrenal labs both came back in the upper ranges and my tsh is under 2 so i dont think there is a problem there.

Testosterone total 523(250-1100)
Testosterone % free 1.73(1.10-2.80)
Testosterone free 90.5(35-155)
LH 1.6(1.5-9.3)
fsh3.0(1.6-8.0)
prolactin4.0(2.0-18.0)
estradiol 24(7-50)

This doctor is actually an antiaging doc in the city who works with this stuff full time. He wants to see my free test up near 150.
The first few days of taking the hcg i felt pretty good and was starting to get morning erections again but then for the past week now things have really gone down hill and the fatigue and fog and erections have actually become much worse. I used to at least be able to get it up by myself but even that has become difficult now. I dont have much body fat and am somewhat lean though oout of shape. Is it possible my estradiol has really shot up from these shots.Morning boners are gone when they were starting to come around. Is that dose of hcg way too high. All is i need is for my numbers to just jump a little higher than where they are an i think i would feel pretty good. I know hcg can really kick up estrogen but i thought that was only in really high doses. The doctor thought i would really respond well because my balls are pretty normal size and those low lh/fsh make make me a pretty good candidate for secondary and hcg? Just tired of dealing with **** and want to get well and live a little. any advice would reallly be appreciated.

[rfish1966]

I am on just HCG at the moment and I also felt better at first and the got sensitive nipple, bloating, brain fog, joint pain and fatigue...I don't know for sure and won't till after my bloodwork next week but I think it's E2.

[hardasnails1973]

I am on just HCG at the moment and I also felt better at first and the got sensitive nipple, bloating, brain fog, joint pain and fatigue...I don't know for sure and won't till after my bloodwork next week but I think it's E2.

on hcg at 200 ius a day my freinds e2 went from 40-78!! and test only went up 200 points.. Got migraines,bloated, memory fog, constipation and herpes broke out like crazy !!

[rfish1966]

I forgot about the headaches.

[pmgamer18]

If your on HCG testing your LH and FSH are going to be low you can't tell if your seconday by your LH and FSH on HCG. If your base tests showed your LH and FSH low and your E2 less then 40 then you could be secondary. Doing 250 IU's of HCG everyday will drive up E2 big time. I am betting you could do less HCG and have the same levels. Your testis can only make so much T on HCG and it your dose is to high the rest will make E2 this is why you lost morning wood and can't get it up now. I would ask your Dr. about lowering your HCG to 200 IU's retest in 4 weeks if your levels did not go down low the HCG to 150 IU's some men do good at 100 IU's a day yet without Testosterone added they don't do well.
Or have your Dr. give you some armidex do .25 mgs every 3 days and see if wood comes back.

[rfish1966]

I just caught something, sorry to hijack here also but my lh and fsh have been .7 to .8 even after starting hcg, so is that primary or secondary?

[hardasnails1973]

I just caught something, sorry to hijack here also but my lh and fsh have been .7 to .8 even after starting hcg, so is that primary or secondary?

When I was on hcg my fsh was high which did not make any sense to me ? LOL

[maguire]

wow thanks for responding so fast. Pgamer, those numbers were before i started anything so im almost positive that im secondary. My balls are still pumping a fair bit of test out even though lh is so low which makes me think they are still pretty strong. Hardasnails, is your friend older or is he a young guy. I was under the impression hcg will really make e2 crazy in older guys but younger guys with secondary could handle what do you think?

rfish, my nipples arent that sensitive but i dont really have any meat or fat on my chest which could be why. I definitly have the brain fog constipation fatigue crap though which is awful. do your nipples have to be sensitive for e2 to be high??

I just got blood work yesterday so hopefully that will yield something. im curious whether my testosterone really jumped an how well my balls responded. Just want to never think about health stuff anymore, its driving me nuts. It sucks that a good diet and excercise is not enough. Errggh

[rfish1966]

I never had problems till 3 months ago, my e2 was at 35 before starting hcg...the nipples sometimes can get so bad. I have heard a lot of guys get that on HCG however I expect it might take a while, how long have you been taking it?

[hardasnails1973]

I never had problems till 3 months ago, my e2 was at 35 before starting hcg...the nipples sometimes can get so bad. I have heard a lot of guys get that on HCG however I expect it might take a while, how long have you been taking it?

Alot of antianging guys run hcg only hoping it can get test levels into the 700-900 range. I can understand that if they want to try everything to avoid out side testosterone stimulation is fine, but waiting around 10-12 months to find out if its going to work or not SCREW THAT..Give me a test shot and i know it will work ..We haev lifes to live going to work and families not sitting around wondering if we are every going to feel better or not.. Thats just my opinon.

[rfish1966]

HAN, exactly man..my wife does not understand what this feels likehaving test and feeling fine and then 3 months of just hcg for fertility is murder.

[hardasnails1973]

HAN, exactly man..my wife does not understand what this feels likehaving test and feeling fine and then 3 months of just hcg for fertility is murder.

Why are you cycling. You should be able to get her pregno while on HCG RIGHT ? I know agless at 61 or 62 had a kid and hes been on TRT for along time !!

[rfish1966]

This fertility doc pulled me off the test, said even with hcg I would be sterile....I tired to argure but he is the doctor so I thought I would try it out. Now I am 3 months out and I have had enough suffering, I do bloodwork tomorrow as well as a semen count and will see him tuesday...it's a real stressor with my wife because she thinks I will be sacrificing fertility to be on test and from what I can tell it's just not how it works. If he can't help me it's time to move on to another doc.

[plymouth city]

hcG standalone = Sterile?

That is crazy talk. Who is this Dr?

[rfish1966]

Ha, brain fog..I meant even with hcg he said adding any test would make me sterile so he took me off the test cyp for 3 months while running hcg....I told him 6 weeks in I felt like crap and he basically told me again if we added test I would be sterile. I should probably switch doctors anyways.

[plymouth city]

"A reduced libido and spermatogenesis due to steroids, in most cases, can be successfully cured by treatment with HCG."

http://www.geocities.com/hardcorebod...ofiles/hcg.htm

"Human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) is sold under many brand names including Gonic, Pregnyl and Profasi. This hormone stimulates the gonads in both men and women. In men, hCG increases androgen production. In women, it increases the levels of progesterone. Human chorionic gonadotropin can help stimulate ovulation in women"

http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz...lity_drugs.jsp

"Clomiphene (taken daily as a pill) prompts the pituitary gland to make luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone, which tell the testicles to produce testosterone and possibly more sperm. HCG (injected two to three times a week, sometimes with hMG) prompts the testes to produce testosterone and sperm directly. "

http://www.babycenter.com/refcap/4090.html

[hardasnails1973]

Ha, brain fog..I meant even with hcg he said adding any test would make me sterile so he took me off the test cyp for 3 months while running hcg....I told him 6 weeks in I felt like crap and he basically told me again if we added test I would be sterile. I should probably switch doctors anyways.

How can you be sterile with e2 running rampant

[rfish1966]

Beats me...

[hardasnails1973]

Beats me...

You'd rather be beating the dr LOL

[rfish1966]

As a matter o fact I would.