More sub-q lab results
- 07-27-2007, 03:19 PM
More sub-q lab results
Unfortunately, Quest either messed this one up or some things have changed about their ranges? I was hoping to be able to keep doing direct comparisons, but this is not the case.
Both sets of labs were done on Thursday after a Monday injection of Testosterone (with HCG on the previous Sat/Sun).
Sub-q @ 100mg/week + HCG @ 500iu/week -- 4 weeks in:
SHBG: 15 (5-49)
Total T: 633 (241-827)
Free T: 233 H (34-194)
Free & Weakly Bound T: 439 H (84-402)
Estradiol: 18 (13-54)
LH: <0.1 L (1.5-9.3)
DHT: 56 (25-75)
Progesterone: 0.9 (0.6-2.6)
Pregnenolone: 38 (10-200)
Free T3: 312 (230-420)
DHEA-s: 73 L (110-370)
AM Cortisol: 13.8 (4-22)
Sub-q @ 120mg/week + HCG @ 450 i/u -- 12 weeks in:
SHBG: Not tested
Total T: 899 H (241-827) -- Looks high here
Total T: 626 (250-1100) -- yep, 2 results??? -- looks mid-range here
Free T: 182.3 H (35-155)
% Free T: 2.91 H (1.5-2.2)
Estradiol: 28 (<= 29) -- different range??
LH: Not Tested
DHT: Not Tested (they were supposed to -- left it out)
Progesterone: Not Tested
Pregnenolone: 18 (10-200)
Free T3: 333 (230-420)
DHEA-s: 71 L (110-370)
AM Cortisol: 13.1 (4-22)
When my doc ordered this set of labs, it was basically just a copy of what was ordered for the labs at 4 weeks. For comparison purposes, it's pretty worthless!
Some other stuff from this lab:
Hemoglobin: 16.5 (13.2-17.1)
Hematocrit: 48.6 (38.5-50)
Red Cell Count: 5.36 (4.2-5.8)
Cholesterol: 119 L (125-200)
Triglycerides: 90 (<150)
VLDL Chol: 18 (5-35)
LDL Chol: 61 (<130)
HDL Chol: 40 (>40)
Chol/HDL Ratio: 3.0 (<= 5.0)
- 07-27-2007, 03:30 PM
- 07-27-2007, 03:37 PM
Thanks for the input, HAN. My low CHOL has been of concern to Dr Mariano since the beginning. Here's a cool pic of the hormone tree:
I've been trying to get HDL up. If I can get it up 10 pts (it's actually come up from where it was before -- 36), that'd be a good strategy, no?
My diet is clean, I lift weights pretty hard 3x per week, taking 5-6g of fish oil per day, and I just started taking 500mg/day of Niacin (the flushing kind -- wow, sets me on fire, but ok).
07-27-2007, 03:39 PM
Do E3D injections,
I assume you are using 200mg/ml testosterone
0.5/7*3=0.21.4 21units on syringe
DHEAs and pregnenolone low, get script for 100mg/1gram compounded pregnenolone cream, use 1gram/day
Quest have few differen Esradiol tests and screwing people with it.
It looks like you are ok on Estradiol.
Your cholesterol is low, not good and I do not know what to say.
Whatewer you can figure on metabolic syndrome, use double dose.
Do not kill any hormones, do not use AI.
You are 14% fat, do not loose fat.
You are on three grains of Armour and your FreeT3=333
add another grain or two.
I do blood draw on day of the shot, time of the shot, before shot.
07-27-2007, 04:23 PM
Contrary to believe get your e2 tested again Why this happens is if you specify ultrasensitive estrodial then depending on where your lab is closest to you decides on where it is sent to califonria or where ever. I just ask for estrodial on lab paper and have not have a problem ever since.. One guy had <16 and ended up getting tested at e2 of 40 with standard test. Fish oils can lower your total cholesterol so be careful. Low cholesterol is also a sign of possible low carb dieting or defienct inuslin production, metabolic syndrome would be unlikely, excessice fish oils can be behind the lower shbg as well as the excessive testosterone (but its not that far out of range). Cortisol should help raise your cholesterol.
I have feeling the increase in test on your trought (899) and then kick in the hcg 2 days after this is going to push it up over 1200 or more easily adding undue stres to your adrenals and lowering your thyroid considerable. As jansz suggested lower in the testosterone would be first move reducing the stress on the adrenals thus increasing your thyroid back to where it was..adding preg creame with also help to feed the pathways as well to make up the differnce of what hcg probably was lowering, but again preg and thyroid pretty much go hand and hand..Before adding in dhea and preg may be you want to examine estrogen pathways to make sure they are functioning properly..Might be time for alittle cortef per your drs instructions..
07-27-2007, 04:55 PM
I've on Medrol 4mg/day right now (and have been since starting injectible Test again). It's comparable to 15mg/day of Cortef. Dr M took me off of Cortef due to blood pressure issues.
Jan: My SHBG does not seem to be effected much by anything I do. In fact, when I was completely off of TRT last year, it was always between 12-18. This was with Total T in the 300's, etc.
I'm a little hesitant to mess with anything until I see Dr M again (on the 4th) because simply put, I feel great. The addition of oral DHEA seemed to help me out a lot. I was having heavy adrenal fatigue problems about a week ago and adding 50/mg day of DHEA seemed to take care of it. I will talk to Dr M about putting me on the preg cream because the oral 100mg/day that I'm taking right now doesn't seem to be doing anything.
HAN: You're right though..I'm probably well over the 1000ng/dl mark on the day of and day after my Test injection. The increase from 100mg/week to 120mg/week took me from 645 to 899. Maybe I'll try 110 (.55 cc).
07-27-2007, 05:06 PM
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