Lab Results In, Need Help
- 05-15-2008, 02:15 AM
I did a little research from steriod users who were shut down by deca due to high progesterone. Most of the comments and solutions I saw in fixing the high progesterone problem would be to use a steriod called Winstrol, which has anti-progesterone lowering effects.
I have read a few other places that raising DHT can help lower progesterone. Besides those two things, I think the only other thing that could lower progesterone would be the birth control pill.
So....do you guys think I should give the Winstrol a try and maybe some DHT cream also?
- 05-15-2008, 08:57 AM
i wonder why more of your rather abundant free T isnt converting to DHT....i really am inclined to think the Pr is binding to it, but i could be totally wrong.
so no other OTC meds or anything else? you're 100% clean?
- 05-15-2008, 12:56 PM
In regards to progesterone, I have heard that many finasteride users have issues with high progesterone / low DHT also. I feel there could be something to this theory. I'm going to look into buying some Proviron and also maybe some Winstrol. I want to do more research on the Winstrol though since it's a steriod. The last thing I want is to be shut down from taking it. If this is the case, then maybe I should do a trial run while I'm still on the HCG to ensure that this doesn't happen. You guys have been such a great help! I have been battling with this for many years now and hopefully I'm getting closer to finding some resolve.
06-03-2008, 07:57 PM
06-03-2008, 08:25 PM
Thanks bro, I will look into it. I'm saving up to buy some dht cream, proviron (dht in pill form), and some winstrol. I'll save the winstrol for last because I don't want to shut down my natural test. Many people make the claims that dht cream isn't suppressive, so I'll go that route first. If anyone knows of any other methods to lower progesterone, please comment in this thread.
As others have stated here and the working hypothesis so far is that my high progesterone levels are suppressing my sex drive & it's counteracting with my already low dht level. This is the only thing that makes sense because my free T is good & I'm one of the stronger guys in the gym also. Test. obviously is not the problem, but the low dht along with the suppression from progesterone. I'm guessing that my progesterone levels are 2-3 times higher than the medium range I need to be in. I think my situation is unique, I have searched these forums and done google searches and haven't found too many others in a situation similiar to mine. Steriod users who haven't recovered from using Deca (which can cause high progesterone) are in the same boat I think. I wish there was some kind of medication though besides some birth control pills that lower progesterone. I'm stuck with taking DHT for now to see how much it will balance out the high progesterone. Any other comments would be appreciated.
06-04-2008, 06:56 PM
what about bromocriptine or cabergoline for the progesterone/prolactin? have you researched them?
06-05-2008, 01:26 AM
06-05-2008, 07:21 PM
06-05-2008, 08:34 PM
06-05-2008, 11:48 PM
often times with the prolactin-lowering drugs, a) they take several weeks to do their job, and b) libido increase can lag behind a just-corrected hormone situation, ie. it isnt always instantaneous. there's really very little you have to lose by taking a course of bromo or dostinex for 2 months or so and see what happens.
i would drop the HCG if you havent already - it's only going to continue giving the exact WRONG feedback to your hypothalamus (that is, it's flooding you with T that your body will see and want to decrease...)
wait, you werent on HCG when you were tested, were you?
i wish you could find a really good endo...we are all just shooting from the hip here (not that he/she wouldnt...), but it'd be nice to be able to get what you need to troubleshoot this, legally...
06-06-2008, 12:56 AM
07-07-2008, 01:11 AM
Update on my progress....
I bought and tried Andractim DHT gel and did a 10 day trial. Again, I had no luck and feeling very frusterated right now. I though that this would have helped my already low DHT levels and would have combated the high progesterone issues I may be facing. All it did was give me bad brain fog.
The only thing left is maybe a testesterone deffiency. Although my TT test is kinda low, my free T is mid range. I'm wondering if TT needs to be almost double anyway to reach some kind of threshold to regain my sex drive. I have read numerous places that marijuana and alcohol can lower testosterone. I'm wondering if this is why my LH and FSH are very low.
If anyone can chime in with some advice, that would be great. I'm just not sure what to do next.
07-07-2008, 07:55 AM
07-07-2008, 08:45 AM
For that to be true you would have to have very low SHBG.
Most likely you are relyng on bad FreeT test results.
Get TT, SHBG and dr Shippen's chart, post #41
If your FreeT is 160 or more, you are in acceptable range.
Best is to be closer to 300.
When you get your FreeT in good range,
and DHT close to top range, Prolactin in check,
next big influence is Estradiol.
You want to have "ultrasensitive Estradiol" test preferably at Quest, secondarily at LabCorp.
With that test at hand, you want to be 15-30, but best guidance is by nightly erections.
07-07-2008, 11:31 AM
HCG might help in the short term by forcing more T out of the testes, but it will not produce any permanent correction because the hypothalamus will be even more suppressed, due to the 'excessively' high T.
if after extensive investigation, no cause is found for the super low LH, then HCG might be a proper course of action (in fact, better than T shots, as the subject still has functioning testes and might as well use them and keep their normal sack size...plus the shots are easier), but it will likely then be a lifetime thing.
JMO, i'm no doctor.
07-07-2008, 11:40 AM
07-07-2008, 02:27 PM
07-07-2008, 03:59 PM
07-07-2008, 04:04 PM
On Dr. Shippens chart, bioavailable Test was right around 300. What is your opinion if doubling TT? I could go from 479 to say the 800-900 range. My Free T was middle of range, so that would double also to be at top of range or slightly over. Do you think I could try a three week trial of say 100 mg Depot T a week SubQ for 3 weeks to see if any change in libido occurs? I could restart with clomid if I really didn't feel much of a difference.
07-07-2008, 04:38 PM
Then you will do relatively extensive blood test so you can possibly figure out your problem.
You also have to forget that clomid exist.
Dr Shippen's chart is not dealing with BioAvailableTestosterone.
Spend some time on this and other boards, wery helpfull.
Having this type of health problem is a life long story.
The sooner you learn how to properly deal with those problems the better for you body and your mental status/stresses.
you need minimum TT=510
and no more than TT=900
If you are near 510, testosterone may not be your problem.
07-07-2008, 11:30 PM
Your DHT is a problem as well as your prolactin and cortisol. You can straighten out the DHT issue with some proviron but I'm not sure how you fix the prolactin and cortisol issues.
07-08-2008, 02:39 PM
07-08-2008, 11:42 PM
Have your family Dr order a Rhein 24 hour urine hormone profile and once you receive the results send them to Crisler for evaluation. He doesn't use blood labs anymore because they're to inaccurate. You might be surprised to see the difference on the 24 hour labs. Having done several sets of blood labs I can say my 24 hour labs matched way better with how I was feeling. Crisler will work with your family Dr as a consultant.
09-04-2008, 02:56 PM
Just an update......
Just saw Dr. John and he said that I'm going to be one of his harder cases. Great, just my luck! Anyway, he thinks from looking at my labs that high progesterone is the main cause for my lack of of libido. He also thinks my DHT is probably too low since it's below bottom of range. He wants me to do a Rhein urine test before he makes any decisions about what to do. He thinks my Test production is ok, but needs to figure out how to 'run' down or overcome powerful feminizing effects of progesterone. It's a tricky situation, so he said he's not quite sure the best approach to take yet and wants to see results from urine test before making any decisions. I may be heading for test. cream, even though my test production is ok. Does anyone have any advice or comments? Any other possible angles or options I might have at this point?
09-15-2008, 08:11 PM
bump....is there anyone that can help me asnwer the above in regards to high progesterone? Can I do anything to keep myself off Test replacement in terms of overruning or lowering progesterone? Can raising T3 or manipulating thyroid hormones do anything to combat high progesterone...any relation at all? This high progesterone is ruining my life!
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