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  1. Here are some additional labs done in the last 8 months:

    TSH - 7.07 (.40 -4.50 miU/L)
    T3 Total - 92 (60 - 181 ng/dl)
    T4 Total - 5.3 (4.5 - 12.5 mcg/dl)
    Thyroid Peeroxide Antibodies - <10 (35 IU/ml)


    Lipid Panel
    Triglycerides - 230 (<150 mg/dl)
    Cholestorol, Total - 192 (125 - 200 mg/dl)
    HDL Cholestorol - 55
    LDL Cholestorol - 91

    Testosterone, Total - 465 (241 - 827 ng/dl)

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    TSH 4.79 (0.35 - 5.5)
    Free T3 3.1 (2.3 - 4.2)
    T4 4.6 (4.5 - 12.0)
    Free T4 1.21 (.61 - 1.76)

    Antithyroglobulin Ab <20 (0 - 40)

    Prolactin 17.1 (2.1 - 17.7)

    What do you guys think? I tried Armour Thryoid for about 2 weeks and only felt a difference in energy, but nothing major. Still did nothing for libido. It's like I feel nothing down there at all, as if something is suppressing any 'feeling'. Wondering if it's either too low Total Test (even though free T is good!) & low DHT. If progesterone is having a suppressing affect, could raising DHT counterbalance progesterone, thus lowering it? I have read that DHT can lower both progesterone & E2. Does this sound plausable? What about other progesterone lowering drugs such as Winstrol? Any ideas guys?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Hyperprolactinaemia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Hyperprolactinaemia may be caused by either disinhibition (e.g., compression of the pituitary stalk or reduced dopamine levels)
    or excess production from a prolactinoma (a pituitary gland adenoma tumour).
    A blood serum prolactin level of 10005000 mIU/L could be from either mechanism,
    but >5000 mIU/L is likely due to the activity of an adenoma with macroadenomas
    (large tumours over 10 mm diameter) whose levels of prolactin are up to 100,000 mIU/L.

    Frequent Misdiagnosis and Mismanagement of Hyperprolactinemic Patients before the Introduction of Macroprolactin Screening: Application of a New Strict Laboratory Definition of Macroprolactinemia -- Suliman et al. 49 (9): 1504 -- Clinical Chemistry
    (To convert prolactin mIU/L to g/L, we divide by 36.)
    10005000 mIU/L --> (28 - 139) g/L


    health4life24 have
    Prolactin 19.9 ng/ml (2.1 - 17.7)

    I would assume that health4life24's prolactin is acceptable and look some place else.
    Unless he admits to use of some prescription and/or street use of drugs.

    Since he did not used steroids his HPTA is not shut down so there is no reason in going ino HPTA restart route.

    Just guessing, please keep comming with ideas.
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    Well what is left from your previus post is a possibility of dopamine porblems.

    I like to check this on a wholesale basis.
    I like Genova Diagnostics NutrEval test.

    Definitely it would quickly bring to lite many possibilities plus suggestions of how to deal with a problem if any.
    Will give a list of supplements and a daily dosing.

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    Jansz,

    Thanks again for the advice! This actually all came about from many years of heavy marijuana abuse. I have heard that marijuana can increase prolactin, but not sure about progesterone. I used to have a raging libido when I was younger, now I feel nothing after the years of smoking pot. I'm wondering if this drastically affected brain chemistry, thus causing some kind of hormonal imbalance. I have tried dostinex, but it didn't do anything for me. I'm wondering what other options I have.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by SOLARUS View Post
    not so fast my man!

    how in the world can you "assume" his prolactin is acceptable, when it's clearly out of range? just because a clinical diagnosis of hyperprolactinemia doesnt apply, doesnt mean that a similar scenario isnt present here. he's out of range of prolactin, progesterone and cortisol, three hormones that are strongly related and two of which are KNOWN to seriously suppress LH/FSH, which he has very little of. in my eyes it's all rather obvious.

    what about stims? i believe they've been shown to increase prolactin and cortisol (need refs...)

    prolactin and cortisol ARE the "stress hormones" and his are elevated. that's the clear starting point IMHO.
    Thanks for your help! I think you may be onto something with the high prolactin, progesterone, and cortisol that could possibly be suppressing my sex drive. Do you know of other possible options I have to lower something like progesterone? The 'deca' **** that you spoke of in the previous post pretty much describes what I'm feeling. I have heard that those particular steriod users have issues with high progesterone, wondering if I'm in the same boat. Any other ideas you have would be greatly appreciated..

  4. Quote Originally Posted by health4life24 View Post
    Thanks for your help! I think you may be onto something with the high prolactin, progesterone, and cortisol that could possibly be suppressing my sex drive. Do you know of other possible options I have to lower something like progesterone? The 'deca' **** that you spoke of in the previous post pretty much describes what I'm feeling. I have heard that those particular steriod users have issues with high progesterone, wondering if I'm in the same boat. Any other ideas you have would be greatly appreciated..
    after looking back over your panel, i am having other ideas...

    your total and free T are fine enough - you should have some libido if that's all we look at. your SHBG is also low, which of course contributes to that (although the extent is hotly debated)...HOW this is, given your ridiculously low LH and FSH, is frankly beyond me. the DHT gives me concerns, because it is really low....and the more i think about it, it's probably a big cause of your problems. i know that whenever i use finasteride, it absolutely slaughters my libido...even if i use it on a test cycle, i am basically back to baseline libido-wise. treating the DHT issue is tricky, because the reality is that IT is not the root of your problems.

    i am trying to sort out how low DHT and high stress hormones interact...i know that progesterone binds to 5AR, possibly more strongly than T does, and it may be "stealing" the conversion and robbing you of DHT...but i could be wrong.

    here's an excerpt from a pubmed investigation regarding prolactin response to stress...(it gives a bunch of other refs):

    http://physrev.physiology.org/cgi/co...full/80/4/1523

    4. Stress
    It is clear that prolactin secretion is dramatically affected by "stress." A myriad of stresses have been used to characterize such effects on prolactin secretion. These include, but are not limited to, the following: ether stress (116, 667, 866, 876, 893, 1077, 1105, 1200, 1257, 1296, 1913), restraint stress (416, 590, 598, 883, 923, 944, 1446), thermal stress (1782a), hemorrhage (274, 883), social conflict (817), and even academic stress in humans (1108).


    i think all 3 of the hormones you have in excess can be excreted by the adrenal glands, so that might be a clue...

    wish i could help more....i'd do some more research if i had time.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    It is going to be tough road with you.
    From what you have posted I see just one blood test.
    Rather sketchy and incomplete blood test.
    From that test you are trying to divine all your answers.

    If you have done any other testing, post it here.
    Post all tests that you did, group them by dates.
    Post name, number, units, range.

    You took invalid Estrodial test that shows you almost within range and used Liquidex, killed the little of any hormones that you have.
    To rebuld your previous estrodial level may take more than 2 months.


    Now you are taking insignificant dose of HCG and hoping that it will work miracles for you.

    You did not do anything about your thyroid except taking Armour (blindly), you do not know if you need it or not.

    All this took you 10 month or more to accomplish.

    This is using up you will power and causing more problems.

    You are also complaining about money, that must be toughest part.
    No wonder, someone feeling like a s*t have a hard time to hustle for $$'s.
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    With out good testing it is going to be tough (impossible) to help you.
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    In post #2 HAN gave you lots of possiblilities, I do not see any reaction to them, that was 10 months ago.
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    Not sure what you are trying to accomplish with your HCG now.
    One possibility is that you may want to do stimulation test and see if your testis are able to produce more testosterone.
    That involves larger dose of HCG and timely blood test to check your reaction.

    Check my post #79 for better understanding,
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-...oodtest-3.html

    Start someplace with your HCG dose and test to see what it gives you.

    Watch also your DHT level, if it does not go any higher, you may end up with transdermal T-gel after all.

    Do complete thyroid panel.
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    health4life24

    Your antibodies are low, ok
    Your Free T3 3.1 (2.3 - 4.2)
    =(4.2-3.1)/(4.2-2.3)=0.58
    yes, you can add a little Armour Thyroid, but it is not that bad as is.

    So while we are waiting for SOLARUS to come with some idea about Prolactin............

    I see possibility in exploring HCG.
    For example

    For the next 4 weeks do HCG injection, 2x per week.
    Injection size 1500iu

    On end of 4 week period, 48 hours after the HCG shot, draw blood. You keep doing your HCG shots while you are waiting for test results and any follow up decission.

    Do these tests at Quest Diagnostics, blood drawn at Quest.

    Estradiol, Ultrasensitive, LC/MS/MS (30289X)
    Estradiol, Free, LC/MS/MS (36169X)
    Testosterone, Free, Bio/Total (LC/MS/MS)
    Dihydrotestosterone, Free, Serum (36168X)

    If you cant get tests at Quest, speak up, I will rewrite the request.

    Search for a doctor that deal with Genova Diagnostics.

    You can call them, give your zip code they will e-mail you a list.

    If you have money, I can add few more items to your blood test.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    I see possibility in exploring HCG.
    For example

    For the next 4 weeks do HCG injection, 2x per week.
    Injection size 1500iu

    On end of 4 week period, 48 hours after the HCG shot, draw blood. You keep doing your HCG shots while you are waiting for test results and any follow up decission.

    Do these tests at Quest Diagnostics, blood drawn at Quest.

    Estradiol, Ultrasensitive, LC/MS/MS (30289X)
    Estradiol, Free, LC/MS/MS (36169X)
    Testosterone, Free, Bio/Total (LC/MS/MS)
    Dihydrotestosterone, Free, Serum (36168X)
    i really think HCG is the WRONG route. HCG basically just stimulates the leydig cells to kick out more T, and it does so at the expense of the hypothalamus (ie. he will be even more suppressed, because he'll have a bunch of extra supraphysiological T in his system)....so while HCG will effectively solve his "low LH/FSH" problem by substituting for them, it isnt even close to a long-term solution because it just crutches the underlying problem (whatever that is). it's like having a boring, unfulfilling life that leads to depression, and then just taking Prozac - you're better off with getting more fulfillment and enjoyment, because otherwise you'll be on the drug forever!

  7. Quote Originally Posted by SOLARUS View Post
    i really think HCG is the WRONG route. HCG basically just stimulates the leydig cells to kick out more T, and it does so at the expense of the hypothalamus (ie. he will be even more suppressed, because he'll have a bunch of extra supraphysiological T in his system)....so while HCG will effectively solve his "low LH/FSH" problem by substituting for them, it isnt even close to a long-term solution because it just crutches the underlying problem (whatever that is). it's like having a boring, unfulfilling life that leads to depression, and then just taking Prozac - you're better off with getting more fulfillment and enjoyment, because otherwise you'll be on the drug forever!
    I like the way you talk, but please,

    translate your words into actionable items.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    I like the way you talk, but please,

    translate your words into actionable items.
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    "don't take HCG"

    is that considered actionable?

    (i dont have an anti-HCG bias; i am using the substance right now actually, during a T cycle to keep my balls working...but i know my HPTA is in the gutter, otherwise i wouldnt have to plan and execute PCT)

  9. Quote Originally Posted by SOLARUS View Post
    "don't take HCG"

    is that considered actionable?

    (i dont have an anti-HCG bias; i am using the substance right now actually, during a T cycle to keep my balls working...but i know my HPTA is in the gutter, otherwise i wouldnt have to plan and execute PCT)

    I guess now is up to health4life24

    to pick and choose.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    I guess now is up to health4life24

    to pick and choose.
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    I'm going to stick with HCG for a little while to see if it does anything at all since I've already started. So far after four days of 200 IU's daily, nothing to report. Maybe I should switch up and do 500 IU's every other day. IF HCG does nothing after a month, then I guess I'll have to do something like a PCT to get LH back to where it needs to be naturally. Labs are hard to come by right now because I don't have insurance. I'm looking to hopefully transition to a job that provides health insurance soon. I looked at the few lab assays that you listed. I'll take a look at LEF blood testing panels.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by SOLARUS View Post
    "don't take HCG"

    is that considered actionable?

    (i dont have an anti-HCG bias; i am using the substance right now actually, during a T cycle to keep my balls working...but i know my HPTA is in the gutter, otherwise i wouldnt have to plan and execute PCT)
    So, in your opinion...even if my Total Test is borderline, HCG would not really solve anything for the issues I face? I know my free T is good. Just wondering if I double my Total Test if it would solve any of my problems. I do think though you are really onto something with my problems being in the hypothalamus. I'm thinking progesterone may be the culprit, and it's robbing the small amount of DHT that I do have from asserting it's effects.

    I did a little research from steriod users who were shut down by deca due to high progesterone. Most of the comments and solutions I saw in fixing the high progesterone problem would be to use a steriod called Winstrol, which has anti-progesterone lowering effects.

    I have read a few other places that raising DHT can help lower progesterone. Besides those two things, I think the only other thing that could lower progesterone would be the birth control pill.

    So....do you guys think I should give the Winstrol a try and maybe some DHT cream also?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by health4life24 View Post
    So, in your opinion...even if my Total Test is borderline, HCG would not really solve anything for the issues I face? I know my free T is good. Just wondering if I double my Total Test if it would solve any of my problems. I do think though you are really onto something with my problems being in the hypothalamus. I'm thinking progesterone may be the culprit, and it's robbing the small amount of DHT that I do have from asserting it's effects.

    I did a little research from steriod users who were shut down by deca due to high progesterone. Most of the comments and solutions I saw in fixing the high progesterone problem would be to use a steriod called Winstrol, which has anti-progesterone lowering effects.

    I have read a few other places that raising DHT can help lower progesterone. Besides those two things, I think the only other thing that could lower progesterone would be the birth control pill.

    So....do you guys think I should give the Winstrol a try and maybe some DHT cream also?
    DHT cream is an interesting idea...mainly because DHT is not known to be suppressive. another option is proviron, which is 1-methyl-DHT, and acts very much like it...easier than rubbing a cream in, plus cheaper and more available. supposedly doesnt suppress the HPTA (perhaps because of its anti-estrogenic effects)

    i wonder why more of your rather abundant free T isnt converting to DHT....i really am inclined to think the Pr is binding to it, but i could be totally wrong.

    so no other OTC meds or anything else? you're 100% clean?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by SOLARUS View Post
    DHT cream is an interesting idea...mainly because DHT is not known to be suppressive. another option is proviron, which is 1-methyl-DHT, and acts very much like it...easier than rubbing a cream in, plus cheaper and more available. supposedly doesnt suppress the HPTA (perhaps because of its anti-estrogenic effects)

    i wonder why more of your rather abundant free T isnt converting to DHT....i really am inclined to think the Pr is binding to it, but i could be totally wrong.

    so no other OTC meds or anything else? you're 100% clean?
    No other meds. I'm actually pretty healthy and try to work out as often as I can.

    In regards to progesterone, I have heard that many finasteride users have issues with high progesterone / low DHT also. I feel there could be something to this theory. I'm going to look into buying some Proviron and also maybe some Winstrol. I want to do more research on the Winstrol though since it's a steriod. The last thing I want is to be shut down from taking it. If this is the case, then maybe I should do a trial run while I'm still on the HCG to ensure that this doesn't happen. You guys have been such a great help! I have been battling with this for many years now and hopefully I'm getting closer to finding some resolve.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by health4life24 View Post
    No other meds. I'm actually pretty healthy and try to work out as often as I can.

    In regards to progesterone, I have heard that many finasteride users have issues with high progesterone / low DHT also. I feel there could be something to this theory. I'm going to look into buying some Proviron and also maybe some Winstrol. I want to do more research on the Winstrol though since it's a steriod. The last thing I want is to be shut down from taking it. If this is the case, then maybe I should do a trial run while I'm still on the HCG to ensure that this doesn't happen. You guys have been such a great help! I have been battling with this for many years now and hopefully I'm getting closer to finding some resolve.
    You could also try some Activate Xtreme, it's natural and bloodwork has shown to boost DHT levels by 50%. I can recommend it.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by MasterMind View Post
    You could also try some Activate Xtreme, it's natural and bloodwork has shown to boost DHT levels by 50%. I can recommend it.

    Thanks bro, I will look into it. I'm saving up to buy some dht cream, proviron (dht in pill form), and some winstrol. I'll save the winstrol for last because I don't want to shut down my natural test. Many people make the claims that dht cream isn't suppressive, so I'll go that route first. If anyone knows of any other methods to lower progesterone, please comment in this thread.

    As others have stated here and the working hypothesis so far is that my high progesterone levels are suppressing my sex drive & it's counteracting with my already low dht level. This is the only thing that makes sense because my free T is good & I'm one of the stronger guys in the gym also. Test. obviously is not the problem, but the low dht along with the suppression from progesterone. I'm guessing that my progesterone levels are 2-3 times higher than the medium range I need to be in. I think my situation is unique, I have searched these forums and done google searches and haven't found too many others in a situation similiar to mine. Steriod users who haven't recovered from using Deca (which can cause high progesterone) are in the same boat I think. I wish there was some kind of medication though besides some birth control pills that lower progesterone. I'm stuck with taking DHT for now to see how much it will balance out the high progesterone. Any other comments would be appreciated.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by health4life24 View Post
    In regards to progesterone, I have heard that many finasteride users have issues with high progesterone / low DHT also. I feel there could be something to this theory. I'm going to look into buying some Proviron and also maybe some Winstrol. I want to do more research on the Winstrol though since it's a steriod. The last thing I want is to be shut down from taking it. If this is the case, then maybe I should do a trial run while I'm still on the HCG to ensure that this doesn't happen. You guys have been such a great help! I have been battling with this for many years now and hopefully I'm getting closer to finding some resolve.
    winstrol is suppressive. it is purported as an anti-progesterone, but that's generally while on a progestin cycle of steroids (deca, tren), when the user acknowledges that they're already completely shut down and it doesnt matter.

    what about bromocriptine or cabergoline for the progesterone/prolactin? have you researched them?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by SOLARUS View Post
    winstrol is suppressive. it is purported as an anti-progesterone, but that's generally while on a progestin cycle of steroids (deca, tren), when the user acknowledges that they're already completely shut down and it doesnt matter.

    what about bromocriptine or cabergoline for the progesterone/prolactin? have you researched them?
    I have tried both and I really didn't feel much different. Are those supposed to lower progesterone also? I thought they were mainly for prolactin.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by health4life24 View Post
    I have tried both and I really didn't feel much different. Are those supposed to lower progesterone also? I thought they were mainly for prolactin.
    how long did you run them for? and when, in relation to your bloodwork?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by SOLARUS View Post
    how long did you run them for? and when, in relation to your bloodwork?
    Ran after bloodwork for a few weeks, but gave up after they didn't really have an effect on me. I did some research last night and found that the majority of people were saying that they have no effect on progesterone. It seemed to run around 75% who had that opinion. So, it looks like I'm still in the clear with progesterone as a problem for me. I'm wondering how much my high progesterone is cancelling out my already low DHT? It could be that my body really feels no effects from DHT with the high progesterone, just a guess. This is why I feel no sex drive at all and persistence 'numbness' down there so to speak. Thanks for keeping up on my thread with the good advice you have given me. Any other comments are greatly appreciated.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post

    How are your sleep patterns?

    what time you goto bed and wake up

    do you work night shift or work at a night club late at night?

    How much sun you get each day

    Do you wake up feeling refreshed?

    Do you sleep sound or toss and turn each night and have a
    hard time getting to sleep

    What is your eating habits like

    what time do you workout and how long how often?

    Do you take a good multivitamin (ZMA may help before bed time)

    Are you happy with your life

    Any family or stresful events in your life in past 6 months

    have you had any infection in last 6 months
    i'd like to see these questions answered, too...it seems like an odd coincidence that all three stress hormones are high...

    often times with the prolactin-lowering drugs, a) they take several weeks to do their job, and b) libido increase can lag behind a just-corrected hormone situation, ie. it isnt always instantaneous. there's really very little you have to lose by taking a course of bromo or dostinex for 2 months or so and see what happens.

    i would drop the HCG if you havent already - it's only going to continue giving the exact WRONG feedback to your hypothalamus (that is, it's flooding you with T that your body will see and want to decrease...)

    wait, you werent on HCG when you were tested, were you?

    i wish you could find a really good endo...we are all just shooting from the hip here (not that he/she wouldnt...), but it'd be nice to be able to get what you need to troubleshoot this, legally...

  21. Quote Originally Posted by SOLARUS View Post
    i'd like to see these questions answered, too...it seems like an odd coincidence that all three stress hormones are high...

    often times with the prolactin-lowering drugs, a) they take several weeks to do their job, and b) libido increase can lag behind a just-corrected hormone situation, ie. it isnt always instantaneous. there's really very little you have to lose by taking a course of bromo or dostinex for 2 months or so and see what happens.

    i would drop the HCG if you havent already - it's only going to continue giving the exact WRONG feedback to your hypothalamus (that is, it's flooding you with T that your body will see and want to decrease...)

    wait, you werent on HCG when you were tested, were you?

    i wish you could find a really good endo...we are all just shooting from the hip here (not that he/she wouldnt...), but it'd be nice to be able to get what you need to troubleshoot this, legally...
    Thanks bro, I appreciate the help. I'll take your advice and continue dostinex for 2 months. I also stopped HCG and feel much better. I'm hoping that dht is the key to lowering the progesterone while raising my levels of natural dht at the same time. It's the last thing I could think of. If that doesn't work, then I guess I'll be saving up for testing in different areas that I have not touched. As far as the questions above, I don't feel I have any issues. I'm pretty healthy. I eat well and work out often. I get plenty of sun. I don't often get overly stressed either. I beleive my hormones were altered somehow after abusing marijuana and alcohol. Before that, I had an amazing libido. After the drugs, my libido totally dropped off. It was the wrost mistake I have ever made in my life. I guess my body was extra sensitive to what I was putting in my body at the time. Now I am paying the price for it.

  22. Update on my progress....

    I bought and tried Andractim DHT gel and did a 10 day trial. Again, I had no luck and feeling very frusterated right now. I though that this would have helped my already low DHT levels and would have combated the high progesterone issues I may be facing. All it did was give me bad brain fog.

    The only thing left is maybe a testesterone deffiency. Although my TT test is kinda low, my free T is mid range. I'm wondering if TT needs to be almost double anyway to reach some kind of threshold to regain my sex drive. I have read numerous places that marijuana and alcohol can lower testosterone. I'm wondering if this is why my LH and FSH are very low.

    If anyone can chime in with some advice, that would be great. I'm just not sure what to do next.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by SOLARUS View Post
    i'd like to see these questions answered, too...it seems like an odd coincidence that all three stress hormones are high...

    often times with the prolactin-lowering drugs, a) they take several weeks to do their job, and b) libido increase can lag behind a just-corrected hormone situation, ie. it isnt always instantaneous. there's really very little you have to lose by taking a course of bromo or dostinex for 2 months or so and see what happens.

    i would drop the HCG if you havent already - it's only going to continue giving the exact WRONG feedback to your hypothalamus (that is, it's flooding you with T that your body will see and want to decrease...)

    wait, you werent on HCG when you were tested, were you?

    i wish you could find a really good endo...we are all just shooting from the hip here (not that he/she wouldnt...), but it'd be nice to be able to get what you need to troubleshoot this, legally...
    SOLARUS,

    What s your suggestion for those whose LH is low? You say that HCG is not correct procedure, then which one to use?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by health4life24 View Post
    Update on my progress....

    I bought and tried Andractim DHT gel and did a 10 day trial. Again, I had no luck and feeling very frusterated right now. I though that this would have helped my already low DHT levels and would have combated the high progesterone issues I may be facing. All it did was give me bad brain fog.

    The only thing left is maybe a testesterone deffiency. Although my TT test is kinda low, my free T is mid range. I'm wondering if TT needs to be almost double anyway to reach some kind of threshold to regain my sex drive. I have read numerous places that marijuana and alcohol can lower testosterone. I'm wondering if this is why my LH and FSH are very low.

    If anyone can chime in with some advice, that would be great. I'm just not sure what to do next.
    Although my TT test is kinda low, my free T is mid range.
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    For that to be true you would have to have very low SHBG.

    Most likely you are relyng on bad FreeT test results.

    Get TT, SHBG and dr Shippen's chart, post #41
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-...oodtest-2.html

    If your FreeT is 160 or more, you are in acceptable range.
    Best is to be closer to 300.
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    When you get your FreeT in good range,
    and DHT close to top range, Prolactin in check,
    next big influence is Estradiol.
    You want to have "ultrasensitive Estradiol" test preferably at Quest, secondarily at LabCorp.

    With that test at hand, you want to be 15-30, but best guidance is by nightly erections.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by darkblue1 View Post
    SOLARUS,

    What s your suggestion for those whose LH is low? You say that HCG is not correct procedure, then which one to use?
    if a person's TT is high but LH is next to nothing, then the testes are working fine...that person should focus on the hypothalamus and find out what is suppressing its release of LH.

    HCG might help in the short term by forcing more T out of the testes, but it will not produce any permanent correction because the hypothalamus will be even more suppressed, due to the 'excessively' high T.

    if after extensive investigation, no cause is found for the super low LH, then HCG might be a proper course of action (in fact, better than T shots, as the subject still has functioning testes and might as well use them and keep their normal sack size...plus the shots are easier), but it will likely then be a lifetime thing.

    JMO, i'm no doctor.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by SOLARUS View Post
    if a person's TT is high but LH is next to nothing, then the testes are working fine...that person should focus on the hypothalamus and find out what is suppressing its release of LH.

    HCG might help in the short term by forcing more T out of the testes, but it will not produce any permanent correction because the hypothalamus will be even more suppressed, due to the 'excessively' high T.

    if after extensive investigation, no cause is found for the super low LH, then HCG might be a proper course of action (in fact, better than T shots, as the subject still has functioning testes and might as well use them and keep their normal sack size...plus the shots are easier), but it will likely then be a lifetime thing.

    JMO, i'm no doctor.


    Will HCG bring the size back even though we dont know the reason why size became small.BTW I have bilateral varicoceles and low LH . Doctor could not find the reaosn why hypothalamus not working properly.I was never on steroids.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by SOLARUS View Post
    if a person's TT is high but LH is next to nothing, then the testes are working fine...that person should focus on the hypothalamus and find out what is suppressing its release of LH.
    HCG might help in the short term by forcing more T out of the testes, but it will not produce any permanent correction because the hypothalamus will be even more suppressed, due to the 'excessively' high T.

    if after extensive investigation, no cause is found for the super low LH, then HCG might be a proper course of action (in fact, better than T shots, as the subject still has functioning testes and might as well use them and keep their normal sack size...plus the shots are easier), but it will likely then be a lifetime thing.

    JMO, i'm no doctor.
    What are the known remedies for increasing low LH?

  28. Quote Originally Posted by SOLARUS View Post
    if a person's TT is high but LH is next to nothing, then the testes are working fine...that person should focus on the hypothalamus and find out what is suppressing its release of LH.

    HCG might help in the short term by forcing more T out of the testes, but it will not produce any permanent correction because the hypothalamus will be even more suppressed, due to the 'excessively' high T.

    if after extensive investigation, no cause is found for the super low LH, then HCG might be a proper course of action (in fact, better than T shots, as the subject still has functioning testes and might as well use them and keep their normal sack size...plus the shots are easier), but it will likely then be a lifetime thing.

    JMO, i'm no doctor.
    I assume my testes are working fine, but what if they are converting at the wrong ratios? I suspect that my high progesterone is overpowring effects of Test & low DHT. Adding HCG will further suppress because it will produce excess progesterone also. I'm wonder if TRT would remedy this where I get more Testesterone and less of the other things like progesterone. What do you think?

  29. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Although my TT test is kinda low, my free T is mid range.
    ------------------------
    For that to be true you would have to have very low SHBG.

    Most likely you are relyng on bad FreeT test results.

    Get TT, SHBG and dr Shippen's chart, post #41
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-...oodtest-2.html

    If your FreeT is 160 or more, you are in acceptable range.
    Best is to be closer to 300.
    ...................
    When you get your FreeT in good range,
    and DHT close to top range, Prolactin in check,
    next big influence is Estradiol.
    You want to have "ultrasensitive Estradiol" test preferably at Quest, secondarily at LabCorp.

    With that test at hand, you want to be 15-30, but best guidance is by nightly erections.
    My SHBG is 13 (13-71 range)

    On Dr. Shippens chart, bioavailable Test was right around 300. What is your opinion if doubling TT? I could go from 479 to say the 800-900 range. My Free T was middle of range, so that would double also to be at top of range or slightly over. Do you think I could try a three week trial of say 100 mg Depot T a week SubQ for 3 weeks to see if any change in libido occurs? I could restart with clomid if I really didn't feel much of a difference.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by health4life24 View Post
    My SHBG is 13 (13-71 range)

    On Dr. Shippens chart, bioavailable Test was right around 300. What is your opinion if doubling TT? I could go from 479 to say the 800-900 range. My Free T was middle of range, so that would double also to be at top of range or slightly over. Do you think I could try a three week trial of say 100 mg Depot T a week SubQ for 3 weeks to see if any change in libido occurs? I could restart with clomid if I really didn't feel much of a difference.
    You have to change your mind set first, we do not do cycles and restarts. What we do if for life.

    Then you will do relatively extensive blood test so you can possibly figure out your problem.
    You also have to forget that clomid exist.
    Dr Shippen's chart is not dealing with BioAvailableTestosterone.
    Spend some time on this and other boards, wery helpfull.

    Having this type of health problem is a life long story.
    The sooner you learn how to properly deal with those problems the better for you body and your mental status/stresses.
    .
    .
    With SHBG=13
    you need minimum TT=510
    and no more than TT=900

    If you are near 510, testosterone may not be your problem.
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