Hardasnails journal

[hardasnails1973]

Currently TRT I am taking
1.50 mgs T cyp every 3 days 1/2 inch quad
2. ADEX - on hold now to see if erections comeback due to possible low e2 normally .5 every day of shot
3. 1/2 grain armour and 12.5 mcgs t3 BID away fom calcium and iron
4. 25 mgs DHEA
5. Pregenenolone creame - shoudl i start out with 50 mgs daily or right to 100 mgs (have thyroid and low cholesterol)
6 5 mgs cortef 3 times a day

Other supplements
zinc 60 - 80 mgs
calcium 1200 mgs
magnesium glycinate -800 mgs
methylcobalimn - 5,000 mcg - supports undermethyation
folinic acid -4000 mcgs BID - supports undermetylation
TMG - 1000 BID - aids in liver detoxifcation
gaba - 500 mgs BID - supports relaxation
p5p - 50 mgs BID -
Theanine -200 mgs BID - helps relax
5htp -200 mgs before bed aids own melatonin production
iodorol 25 mgs BID - verified through testing
vitamin D - 2000 ius BID
calium d glucuarate - 500 BID
niacin - 500 BID for support of elevated lp(a) which most likely is linked to estrogen imbalance (high or low)
vitamin c ester 1000 BID
NAC 600 mgs BID
moly- 150 - aids in homocysteine metabolism and uric acid
4 beta hcl with meals - aids in break down of proteins
1 oxbile before meal - fat malabsorption and cholesterol assimulation
iron chelated 50 mgs - ferritin came out to be 40 (thyroid related.)
manganese 50 mgs balance iron, and zinc
1 tsp fish oils BID - aids estrogen metabolism
1 EPO BID
lysine 3000 mgs - elevated lpa
1/2 tsp celtic sea salt

Since being on last protcol I was feeling good untill I got to the 3 week. I do not know if my e2 is kicking up or if it is going down that is magical question. I feel like a mindless zombie no emotions at all, and gaining fat not even trying, constipated as all can be and stomach is all bloated out and no desire to eat..Funny how my copper serum finally started to come up with rise of estrogen and not even taking copper via supplement. I found this amazing discovery and it is noted on birth control pills that it may raise copper serums. I am having unusal muscle spasms and twitched which could be related to calcium, magnesium, potassium imbalances. IF I could just resolve this nasty constipation it will help alleviate alot of discomfort and undue stress on my liver as well as increase estrogen metabolism.. I know its not fiber related or not from drinking not enough water. i take in 25-35 grams of fiber with blueberries, hempseeds, veggies, brocoolli, buckwheat ect and drink 3 quarts of water a day (1 gallon).
Diet is all low glycmic carbs, lean proteins, EFAs, cocconut oil, veggies, ect. Every thing is on target. I goto bed by 10-11 each night and sit and mediate or listen to relaxing music an hour before going to bed to unwind (so stress is not a factor). On many urine test it shows that I have low gaba and also low serotonin levels despite using 5 htp, sam-e, mangeisum, vitamin D , ect. For some reason serotonin is not being turned over and when I researched this too much or not enough e2 could produce the same results. Having consitant low homocysteine levels for extended time (<5) concern one of the drs I was working with because it identified that my detoxification could be severely affected mainly gluthione levels which where low on WBC testing. How ever e2 can increase gluthione levels due to its protective mechanism in the brain, but if too much it can depelte them as well due to oxidative stress. A neat thing was that I always had elevated rt3 it was not untill I added hcg and armidex to the mix that they actually started to lower them as well as increased my zinc levels as well. This shows that increase of progesterone was mostlikely resolved my low zinc levels as well as zinc defiecncy is directly related to rt3 as well..I began this journal as a learning expreince of dos and don't during TRT. Right now all DIM has been cut for past 3 weeks and on 4 th week I am going to test being on iodoral 50mgs for 2 months about its impact on e2 metabolism. iodine dioes the same thing as DIm does but if there is a chance of androgen down regulation this will not happen with iodine..But these avenues need to be futher explored before some kind of out come is determined. ALL I know that stoping the DIM and doing the iodone my piss really still stinks liek it did on the dim but more so its all the time and not only in the morning from the DIM..This is very promising news !

What can I expect from the preg creame seeing that I am low thyroid with low cholesterol..And will this actually alter some of the meds I may be taking as well.

[onewaypockets]

Currently TRT I am taking
1.50 mgs T cyp every 3 days 1/2 inch quad
2. ADEX - on hold now to see if erections comeback due to possible low e2 normally .5 every day of shot
3. 1/2 grain armour and 12.5 mcgs t3 BID away fom calcium and iron
4. 25 mgs DHEA
5. Pregenenolone creame - shoudl i start out with 50 mgs daily or right to 100 mgs (have thyroid and low cholesterol)
6 5 mgs cortef 3 times a day

Other supplements
zinc 60 - 80 mgs
calcium 1200 mgs
magnesium glycinate -800 mgs
methylcobalimn - 5,000 mcg - supports undermethyation
folinic acid -4000 mcgs BID - supports undermetylation
TMG - 1000 BID - aids in liver detoxifcation
gaba - 500 mgs BID - supports relaxation
p5p - 50 mgs BID -
Theanine -200 mgs BID - helps relax
5htp -200 mgs before bed aids own melatonin production
iodorol 25 mgs BID - verified through testing
vitamin D - 2000 ius BID
calium d glucuarate - 500 BID
niacin - 500 BID for support of elevated lp(a) which most likely is linked to estrogen imbalance (high or low)
vitamin c ester 1000 BID
NAC 600 mgs BID
moly- 150 - aids in homocysteine metabolism and uric acid
4 beta hcl with meals - aids in break down of proteins
1 oxbile before meal - fat malabsorption and cholesterol assimulation
iron chelated 50 mgs - ferritin came out to be 40 (thyroid related.)
manganese 50 mgs balance iron, and zinc
1 tsp fish oils BID - aids estrogen metabolism
1 EPO BID
lysine 3000 mgs - elevated lpa
1/2 tsp celtic sea salt

Since being on last protcol I was feeling good untill I got to the 3 week. I do not know if my e2 is kicking up or if it is going down that is magical question. I feel like a mindless zombie no emotions at all, and gaining fat not even trying, constipated as all can be and stomach is all bloated out and no desire to eat..Funny how my copper serum finally started to come up with rise of estrogen and not even taking copper via supplement. I found this amazing discovery and it is noted on birth control pills that it may raise copper serums. I am having unusal muscle spasms and twitched which could be related to calcium, magnesium, potassium imbalances. IF I could just resolve this nasty constipation it will help alleviate alot of discomfort and undue stress on my liver as well as increase estrogen metabolism.. I know its not fiber related or not from drinking not enough water. i take in 25-35 grams of fiber with blueberries, hempseeds, veggies, brocoolli, buckwheat ect and drink 3 quarts of water a day (1 gallon).
Diet is all low glycmic carbs, lean proteins, EFAs, cocconut oil, veggies, ect. Every thing is on target. I goto bed by 10-11 each night and sit and mediate or listen to relaxing music an hour before going to bed to unwind (so stress is not a factor). On many urine test it shows that I have low gaba and also low serotonin levels despite using 5 htp, sam-e, mangeisum, vitamin D , ect. For some reason serotonin is not being turned over and when I researched this too much or not enough e2 could produce the same results. Having consitant low homocysteine levels for extended time (<5) concern one of the drs I was working with because it identified that my detoxification could be severely affected mainly gluthione levels which where low on WBC testing. How ever e2 can increase gluthione levels due to its protective mechanism in the brain, but if too much it can depelte them as well due to oxidative stress. A neat thing was that I always had elevated rt3 it was not untill I added hcg and armidex to the mix that they actually started to lower them as well as increased my zinc levels as well. This shows that increase of progesterone was mostlikely resolved my low zinc levels as well as zinc defiecncy is directly related to rt3 as well..I began this journal as a learning expreince of dos and don't during TRT. Right now all DIM has been cut for past 3 weeks and on 4 th week I am going to test being on iodoral 50mgs for 2 months about its impact on e2 metabolism. iodine dioes the same thing as DIm does but if there is a chance of androgen down regulation this will not happen with iodine..But these avenues need to be futher explored before some kind of out come is determined. ALL I know that stoping the DIM and doing the iodone my piss really still stinks liek it did on the dim but more so its all the time and not only in the morning from the DIM..This is very promising news !

What can I expect from the preg creame seeing that I am low thyroid with low cholesterol..And will this actually alter some of the meds I may be taking as well.

Hi,

When I was low thyroid I was very constipated too, despite taking in lots of fiber. Your bloating sounds like hypo too. Hypo slows bowel transit time, it just slows everything.

Are your adrenals supported enough to increase your Armour? When I started taking Armour, I started going twice a day...

Neil

[T800]

HAN,

I also have low GABA and low Serotonin. Dopamine was also low. This was one of the first tests (through Sanesco) that Dr Mariano ordered for me last year when I initially saw him.

I've been on Klonopin (which enhances GABA) for a long time. I've tried to get off of it several times, but the insomnia always returns.

How well does that supplemental GABA work for you?

I haven't run any neurotransmitter urine tests since going on the Dr Mariano + Dr John protocol, but I'm pretty sure that the levels have improved because I feel a lot better.

Sonny

[hardasnails1973]

Hi,

When I was low thyroid I was very constipated too, despite taking in lots of fiber. Your bloating sounds like hypo too. Hypo slows bowel transit time, it just slows everything.

Are your adrenals supported enough to increase your Armour? When I started taking Armour, I started going twice a day...

Neil

Doing 5 mgs of cortef 3 times a day
I hope the pregenolone creame will help balance out specific hormone pathways when I was on T, AI and HCG I was on top of the world, but could never get a good reading on E2 when i was feeling good, but now I am doing it the right way from ground zero filling in the holes with dhea and pregenelone and might increase my t levels. getting all levels check in a week or so before going to see my dr ..

[JanSz]

Currently TRT I am taking
1.50 mgs T cyp every 3 days 1/2 inch quad
2. ADEX - on hold now to see if erections comeback due to possible low e2 normally .5 every day of shot
3. 1/2 grain armour and 12.5 mcgs t3 BID away fom calcium and iron
4. 25 mgs DHEA
5. Pregenenolone creame - shoudl i start out with 50 mgs daily or right to 100 mgs (have thyroid and low cholesterol)
6 5 mgs cortef 3 times a day

Other supplements
zinc 60 - 80 mgs
calcium 1200 mgs
magnesium glycinate -800 mgs
methylcobalimn - 5,000 mcg - supports undermethyation
folinic acid -4000 mcgs BID - supports undermetylation
TMG - 1000 BID - aids in liver detoxifcation
gaba - 500 mgs BID - supports relaxation
p5p - 50 mgs BID -
Theanine -200 mgs BID - helps relax
5htp -200 mgs before bed aids own melatonin production
iodorol 25 mgs BID - verified through testing
vitamin D - 2000 ius BID
calium d glucuarate - 500 BID
niacin - 500 BID for support of elevated lp(a) which most likely is linked to estrogen imbalance (high or low)
vitamin c ester 1000 BID
NAC 600 mgs BID
moly- 150 - aids in homocysteine metabolism and uric acid
4 beta hcl with meals - aids in break down of proteins
1 oxbile before meal - fat malabsorption and cholesterol assimulation
iron chelated 50 mgs - ferritin came out to be 40 (thyroid related.)
manganese 50 mgs balance iron, and zinc
1 tsp fish oils BID - aids estrogen metabolism
1 EPO BID
lysine 3000 mgs - elevated lpa
1/2 tsp celtic sea salt

Since being on last protcol I was feeling good untill I got to the 3 week. I do not know if my e2 is kicking up or if it is going down that is magical question. I feel like a mindless zombie no emotions at all, and gaining fat not even trying, constipated as all can be and stomach is all bloated out and no desire to eat..Funny how my copper serum finally started to come up with rise of estrogen and not even taking copper via supplement. I found this amazing discovery and it is noted on birth control pills that it may raise copper serums. I am having unusal muscle spasms and twitched which could be related to calcium, magnesium, potassium imbalances. IF I could just resolve this nasty constipation it will help alleviate alot of discomfort and undue stress on my liver as well as increase estrogen metabolism.. I know its not fiber related or not from drinking not enough water. i take in 25-35 grams of fiber with blueberries, hempseeds, veggies, brocoolli, buckwheat ect and drink 3 quarts of water a day (1 gallon).
Diet is all low glycmic carbs, lean proteins, EFAs, cocconut oil, veggies, ect. Every thing is on target. I goto bed by 10-11 each night and sit and mediate or listen to relaxing music an hour before going to bed to unwind (so stress is not a factor). On many urine test it shows that I have low gaba and also low serotonin levels despite using 5 htp, sam-e, mangeisum, vitamin D , ect. For some reason serotonin is not being turned over and when I researched this too much or not enough e2 could produce the same results. Having consitant low homocysteine levels for extended time (<5) concern one of the drs I was working with because it identified that my detoxification could be severely affected mainly gluthione levels which where low on WBC testing. How ever e2 can increase gluthione levels due to its protective mechanism in the brain, but if too much it can depelte them as well due to oxidative stress. A neat thing was that I always had elevated rt3 it was not untill I added hcg and armidex to the mix that they actually started to lower them as well as increased my zinc levels as well. This shows that increase of progesterone was mostlikely resolved my low zinc levels as well as zinc defiecncy is directly related to rt3 as well..I began this journal as a learning expreince of dos and don't during TRT. Right now all DIM has been cut for past 3 weeks and on 4 th week I am going to test being on iodoral 50mgs for 2 months about its impact on e2 metabolism. iodine dioes the same thing as DIm does but if there is a chance of androgen down regulation this will not happen with iodine..But these avenues need to be futher explored before some kind of out come is determined. ALL I know that stoping the DIM and doing the iodone my piss really still stinks liek it did on the dim but more so its all the time and not only in the morning from the DIM..This is very promising news !

What can I expect from the preg creame seeing that I am low thyroid with low cholesterol..And will this actually alter some of the meds I may be taking as well.

1/2 grain of Armour is like nothing.
What was your FreeT3 before you started Armour.
If you were defficient before you most likey will get to 2 or 3 grains befroe you can think of slowing down.

Looking at the test you have send me
FreeT=237.8(35.0-155)pg/mL
I do not know how they got this range.
In our discussions the goal is (160-250) close to the top better.
I would say stay at your current 50mg each shot and E3D schedule. That should be 25units on syringe if test is 200mg/mL
When you add hcg that may change.
50*7/3=117mg/week

Your Lipoprotein (a)=127 that is not even funny, do something about it. Do something about.
Your whloe methylation sucs.
Do lots of quality testing in this area, correct what you can.

[onewaypockets]

HAN,

I also have low GABA and low Serotonin. Dopamine was also low. This was one of the first tests (through Sanesco) that Dr Mariano ordered for me last year when I initially saw him.

I've been on Klonopin (which enhances GABA) for a long time. I've tried to get off of it several times, but the insomnia always returns.

How well does that supplemental GABA work for you?

I haven't run any neurotransmitter urine tests since going on the Dr Mariano + Dr John protocol, but I'm pretty sure that the levels have improved because I feel a lot better.

Sonny

Hi Sonny,

Glad to hear you are feeling better under Dr. Mariano's care. I have an appt. in August....I should have made the appt sooner. I am not doing that hot despite self dosing with Cortef and Armour. I am low everything....lol

Neil

[anyman]

Wow... I think I'd need a secretary just to keep track of all that!

More seriously, with all those supplements, have you considered the possible interactions? Also, with that many things it's tough to isolate any one area that needs attention.

[galloglass]

Wow... I think I'd need a secretary just to keep track of all that!

More seriously, with all those supplements, have you considered the possible interactions? Also, with that many things it's tough to isolate any one area that needs attention.

Anyman: How'd your appts w/Shippen go?

[hardasnails1973]

1/2 grain of Armour is like nothing.
What was your FreeT3 before you started Armour.
If you were defficient before you most likey will get to 2 or 3 grains befroe you can think of slowing down.

Looking at the test you have send me
FreeT=237.8(35.0-155)pg/mL
I do not know how they got this range.
In our discussions the goal is (160-250) close to the top better.
I would say stay at your current 50mg each shot and E3D schedule. That should be 25units on syringe if test is 200mg/mL
When you add hcg that may change.
50*7/3=117mg/week

Your Lipoprotein (a)=127 that is not even funny, do something about it. Do something about.
Your whloe methylation sucs.
Do lots of quality testing in this area, correct what you can.

Liporptein A is lowered by niacin, estrogen, fish oils, vitamin C doing all 3
I am on 1 grain of armour a day ..I want to see if reverse t3 is going to rise on me till I increase it. If reverse t3 are high then zinc would be low again due to low progesterone levels no doubt . After 2 years of unredolved lowering reverse t-3 with time rleased t-3 it finally reduced when I adde hcg and regular t-3, lowered the estrogen increasing the progesterone to aid in increased absoprton of zinc from the digestion tract, also to arachadonic acid over load aids in intesinal uptake of zinc as well.

I know my methyation sucks estrogen is at core of that too
estrogen deifeincy or excess can cause hypomethylation
using folinic acid, methy b-12, TMG, creatine, choline may add sam-e but after estrogen urine test which checks methylations

ft 3 2.9 (2.3-4.2)
test is at 100 mg/ml dr is out of town for a week

Ok if one has low thyroid, low cholesterol and uses hcg when pregnenolone is low then could the hcg actually reduce the pregnenolone made by the body because of activating the enzyme to increase progesterone and actually result in lowering the cholesterol level it self..I just started 100 mgs topical pregenlone will check dhea levels in up coming blood tests. This should help to back fill the foundation that I think using hcg took away..plausible theory is that hcg actually caused reduction in over cholesterol level?

[anyman]

Anyman: How'd your appts w/Shippen go?

Havn't been around in a few days. A few family and office issues. The fun never stops.....

Visit went well--a very pleasant and well informed man who much appreciated my detailed history. The more you give him and the more accurate it is, the better a job he can do. I got a slight impression that he'd prefer his patients not do a thorough dissection of his work on the net, so I'll abide by his apparent wishes and hit the high points, which he didn't seem to have a problem with. One of the main reasons is that "whenever one patient reads about another patient getting something they all want it!".

He was not too concerned with my low shbg of 10 and thought thay my 8-9 yr old use of Propecia could be a factor, with the use of paxil/wellbutrin a final straw, so to speak. Nobody can say if they were prescribed for what I now realize was low T or if they caused it. Propecia, a/k/a finistaride, is a known cause of problems in some.

He does not in any way treat merely to get a number, but indicates that treatment is highly dependent on the individual. Damn-- it was good to see a man actually practice medicine and not be beholden to drug companies or long outdated dogma. He tries to juggle a variety of disciplines from endo to uro to simple GP issues. He earns his respect.

Here is what we are trying; hcg 3x/wk with blood in another month. That's it so far, which is OK by me. We're going to start slow and build upon whatever results appear. He also suggested a neurotransmitter work up (this is new to me....) to see what's up there. Insulin resistance is a "possible" factor, but less so due to my regular exercise. Can't say what came first, low T or insulin issues. Gotta break the cycle somehow and hopefully hcg is the ticket. I have put my faith and trust in this man--which I believe will pan out well. My biggest issue is what we'll do with he retires as he's got to be in his mid-late 50s or so.

Now, all I gotta do is get used to injecting myself, all the while I wonder if the hcg will work and if so, how long before I see results.

[JanSz]

Liporptein A is lowered by niacin, estrogen, fish oils, vitamin C doing all 3
I am on 1 grain of armour a day ..I want to see if reverse t3 is going to rise on me till I increase it. If reverse t3 are high then zinc would be low again due to low progesterone levels no doubt . After 2 years of unredolved lowering reverse t-3 with time rleased t-3 it finally reduced when I adde hcg and regular t-3, lowered the estrogen increasing the progesterone to aid in increased absoprton of zinc from the digestion tract, also to arachadonic acid over load aids in intesinal uptake of zinc as well.

I know my methyation sucks estrogen is at core of that too
estrogen deifeincy or excess can cause hypomethylation
using folinic acid, methy b-12, TMG, creatine, choline may add sam-e but after estrogen urine test which checks methylations

ft 3 2.9 (2.3-4.2)
test is at 100 mg/ml dr is out of town for a week

Ok if one has low thyroid, low cholesterol and uses hcg when pregnenolone is low then could the hcg actually reduce the pregnenolone made by the body because of activating the enzyme to increase progesterone and actually result in lowering the cholesterol level it self..I just started 100 mgs topical pregenlone will check dhea levels in up coming blood tests. This should help to back fill the foundation that I think using hcg took away..plausible theory is that hcg actually caused reduction in over cholesterol level?

How about all three ingredients compounded creams,
pregnenolone
DHEA

not sure if they can get also progesterone, if not
LEF sells progesterone cream (ProFem)

Probably fish oil 3 or 5x recomended dose every day.
And do not kill any estrogen, no AI.

Carlson's Very Finest Fish Oil.
Instead, like everybody takes one table spoon, you take five.
Cook with coconut oil.
-----------------
Test all my risk factors on the list.
C-reactive protein CRP
Fibrinogen
Hematocrit
Hemoglobin A1C
Homocysteine, cardio
Lipoprotein (A) Lp(A)

============================== ====
Vit E (all of them)
CoQ10 lot of it
.
.
After you know the other risk factors, we will be able to focus.

[spinn]

Havn't been around in a few days. A few family and office issues. The fun never stops.....

Visit went well--a very pleasant and well informed man who much appreciated my detailed history. The more you give him and the more accurate it is, the better a job he can do. I got a slight impression that he'd prefer his patients not do a thorough dissection of his work on the net, so I'll abide by his apparent wishes and hit the high points, which he didn't seem to have a problem with. One of the main reasons is that "whenever one patient reads about another patient getting something they all want it!".

He was not too concerned with my low shbg of 10 and thought thay my 8-9 yr old use of Propecia could be a factor, with the use of paxil/wellbutrin a final straw, so to speak. Nobody can say if they were prescribed for what I now realize was low T or if they caused it. Propecia, a/k/a finistaride, is a known cause of problems in some.

He does not in any way treat merely to get a number, but indicates that treatment is highly dependent on the individual. Damn-- it was good to see a man actually practice medicine and not be beholden to drug companies or long outdated dogma. He tries to juggle a variety of disciplines from endo to uro to simple GP issues. He earns his respect.

Here is what we are trying; hcg 3x/wk with blood in another month. That's it so far, which is OK by me. We're going to start slow and build upon whatever results appear. He also suggested a neurotransmitter work up (this is new to me....) to see what's up there. Insulin resistance is a "possible" factor, but less so due to my regular exercise. Can't say what came first, low T or insulin issues. Gotta break the cycle somehow and hopefully hcg is the ticket. I have put my faith and trust in this man--which I believe will pan out well. My biggest issue is what we'll do with he retires as he's got to be in his mid-late 50s or so.

Now, all I gotta do is get used to injecting myself, all the while I wonder if the hcg will work and if so, how long before I see results.

One of the best posts I have ever read here....you have to trust someone I just wish there were more DRs I could trust.

As for HCG injections I was nervous too but its easy...you dont even feel it.

Thanks Anyman

[hardasnails1973]

How about all three ingredients compounded creams,
pregnenolone
DHEA

not sure if they can get also progesterone, if not
LEF sells progesterone cream (ProFem)

Probably fish oil 3 or 5x recomended dose every day.
And do not kill any estrogen, no AI.

Carlson's Very Finest Fish Oil.
Instead, like everybody takes one table spoon, you take five.
Cook with coconut oil.
-----------------
Test all my risk factors on the list.
C-reactive protein CRP
Fibrinogen
Hematocrit
Hemoglobin A1C
Homocysteine, cardio
Lipoprotein (A) Lp(A)

============================== ====
Vit E (all of them)
CoQ10 lot of it
.
.
After you know the other risk factors, we will be able to focus.

21 days in TRT balls are starting to go so natural production is going down
Goal: by restoring hormone balance I can reduce alot of supplementation for brain chemistry eventually stop them all together

preg - progesterone - increases gaba and sertonin (both found deficient on urine tests while ago)-
dhea - influences serotonin levels

To increase progesterone - maca could also be used..

With last estroidial reading of 73 AI is needed untill estrogen imbalances is identified ..
I have a feeling that the hcg was driving e2 up previously
co enzyme q 10 is at 300 mgs a day q sorb form

carlsons It saids teaspoons for servings and I am doing 2 tsp a day. With low gluthione one has to watch for increased lipid perioxation from too much oils. I know vitamin E can protect us from it thats for sure..Before going shot gunning fish oils I need to see what my blood RBC of Arachoncdonic acids/ EPA is to make sure they are balanced. This is what got me in trouble in the first place I am today not retesting on protocol and following up. Before doing all these red meat eggs, organic butter, and other AA source my shbg and e2 have never been above 20 my whole life so there is link between AA - prostrate problems, Lp(a), and estrogen..
lp(a) levels are also associated with severe hypothyroidism as well so correcting that will also lower it

Wouldn't pregenolone go into progesterone/ dhea and that is what we want. Dr john has mentioned progesterone cream is not good for males. What made you think about progesterone creame for me just curious

fibrogen levels are smack in the middle
Hba1c = 5.7 - probably due to low insulin levels sure hell not inuslin resistance. Cinamin really drops blood sugar down
homocysteine is 4.4 which really sucks - going to check into 2 enzymes through blood testing for polymorphism possible triggered by excessive mercury as previously thought 2 enzyme are methione synthase, and 5mthffr (both are responsible for putting homocysteine back to methione) . If methione synthase is low goto IM methycobalin injections which have done in the past but like always DRs just try things with out having clinical tests to back it up..

Pregenonlone cream made me sleep very good so obviosuly it is getting absorbed nicely

i have an idea by rebalancing the AA/epa ratio and iodine defieincy, feeding the pregenenolone to increase progesterone/dhea metabolic pathways that my prostrate and estrogen/methyation/thyroid problems will be a thing of the past.

Since I have low DHEA according to lef that would also affect increase SHBG as well

Test to run next labs
Code: 34429 T3, FREE
Code: 36725 T4, FREE, DIRECT DIALYSIS AND T4, TOTAL
Code: 873 TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL
Code: 402 DHEA SULFATE
Code: 34604 LIPOPROTEIN A
Code: 457 FERRITIN
Code: 37077 CORTISOL, FREE AND TOTAL, LC/MS/MS
Code: 4021 ESTRADIOL
Code: 34257 HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS 1 AND 2, PCR
Code: 31789 HOMOCYSTEINE, CARDIOVASCULAR
Code: 334 CHOLESTEROL, TOTAL
CBC
CMP with liver panel
Code: 36165 METHYLENETETRAHYDROFOLATE REDUCTASE (MTHFR), DNA

[wondering]

I am not a Dr.

I have to agree with a previous poster... you seem to be on WAY too many supplements.

How can you possibly know what is working, what isn't working, what is working against what is working and what is making what is not working work worse....yada, yada.

Better off seeing a competent physician and get to the root of the matter. Even if travel and out-of-pocket costs are incurred, long run cheaper than all that stuff you're taking.

just my 2 cents.

Currently TRT I am taking
1.50 mgs T cyp every 3 days 1/2 inch quad
2. ADEX - on hold now to see if erections comeback due to possible low e2 normally .5 every day of shot
3. 1/2 grain armour and 12.5 mcgs t3 BID away fom calcium and iron
4. 25 mgs DHEA
5. Pregenenolone creame - shoudl i start out with 50 mgs daily or right to 100 mgs (have thyroid and low cholesterol)
6 5 mgs cortef 3 times a day

Other supplements
zinc 60 - 80 mgs
calcium 1200 mgs
magnesium glycinate -800 mgs
methylcobalimn - 5,000 mcg - supports undermethyation
folinic acid -4000 mcgs BID - supports undermetylation
TMG - 1000 BID - aids in liver detoxifcation
gaba - 500 mgs BID - supports relaxation
p5p - 50 mgs BID -
Theanine -200 mgs BID - helps relax
5htp -200 mgs before bed aids own melatonin production
iodorol 25 mgs BID - verified through testing
vitamin D - 2000 ius BID
calium d glucuarate - 500 BID
niacin - 500 BID for support of elevated lp(a) which most likely is linked to estrogen imbalance (high or low)
vitamin c ester 1000 BID
NAC 600 mgs BID
moly- 150 - aids in homocysteine metabolism and uric acid
4 beta hcl with meals - aids in break down of proteins
1 oxbile before meal - fat malabsorption and cholesterol assimulation
iron chelated 50 mgs - ferritin came out to be 40 (thyroid related.)
manganese 50 mgs balance iron, and zinc
1 tsp fish oils BID - aids estrogen metabolism
1 EPO BID
lysine 3000 mgs - elevated lpa
1/2 tsp celtic sea salt

Since being on last protcol I was feeling good untill I got to the 3 week. I do not know if my e2 is kicking up or if it is going down that is magical question. I feel like a mindless zombie no emotions at all, and gaining fat not even trying, constipated as all can be and stomach is all bloated out and no desire to eat..Funny how my copper serum finally started to come up with rise of estrogen and not even taking copper via supplement. I found this amazing discovery and it is noted on birth control pills that it may raise copper serums. I am having unusal muscle spasms and twitched which could be related to calcium, magnesium, potassium imbalances. IF I could just resolve this nasty constipation it will help alleviate alot of discomfort and undue stress on my liver as well as increase estrogen metabolism.. I know its not fiber related or not from drinking not enough water. i take in 25-35 grams of fiber with blueberries, hempseeds, veggies, brocoolli, buckwheat ect and drink 3 quarts of water a day (1 gallon).
Diet is all low glycmic carbs, lean proteins, EFAs, cocconut oil, veggies, ect. Every thing is on target. I goto bed by 10-11 each night and sit and mediate or listen to relaxing music an hour before going to bed to unwind (so stress is not a factor). On many urine test it shows that I have low gaba and also low serotonin levels despite using 5 htp, sam-e, mangeisum, vitamin D , ect. For some reason serotonin is not being turned over and when I researched this too much or not enough e2 could produce the same results. Having consitant low homocysteine levels for extended time (<5) concern one of the drs I was working with because it identified that my detoxification could be severely affected mainly gluthione levels which where low on WBC testing. How ever e2 can increase gluthione levels due to its protective mechanism in the brain, but if too much it can depelte them as well due to oxidative stress. A neat thing was that I always had elevated rt3 it was not untill I added hcg and armidex to the mix that they actually started to lower them as well as increased my zinc levels as well. This shows that increase of progesterone was mostlikely resolved my low zinc levels as well as zinc defiecncy is directly related to rt3 as well..I began this journal as a learning expreince of dos and don't during TRT. Right now all DIM has been cut for past 3 weeks and on 4 th week I am going to test being on iodoral 50mgs for 2 months about its impact on e2 metabolism. iodine dioes the same thing as DIm does but if there is a chance of androgen down regulation this will not happen with iodine..But these avenues need to be futher explored before some kind of out come is determined. ALL I know that stoping the DIM and doing the iodone my piss really still stinks liek it did on the dim but more so its all the time and not only in the morning from the DIM..This is very promising news !

What can I expect from the preg creame seeing that I am low thyroid with low cholesterol..And will this actually alter some of the meds I may be taking as well.

[hardasnails1973]

I am not a Dr.

I have to agree with a previous poster... you seem to be on WAY too many supplements.

How can you possibly know what is working, what isn't working, what is working against what is working and what is making what is not working work worse....yada, yada.

Better off seeing a competent physician and get to the root of the matter. Even if travel and out-of-pocket costs are incurred, long run cheaper than all that stuff you're taking.

just my 2 cents.

Supplements I take are base on clincal testing and under supervsion of previous drs. One dr is famous for dealing with mercury detoxification and autism hence the reasoning for methylation supplementation, Others are backed by neurotransmitters and blood tests. Right now the root cause is based on estrogen metabolism imbalnaces either high or low that is where my dr is focusing on as primiary factor..How this all happened was partly genetic as well as lifestlye and diaetary imbalances plain and simple affecting hormones..Mainly taking out more then I was putting back in ..

[JanSz]

Scan all your blood tests for the last two years and post them here in your journal.

Separate them by dates.

Do not include any comments in that post.

[hardasnails1973]

3 days off armidex and still no erection, but nipples are not hurting either, but bad joint pain and bloating in stomach, no appetite, muscle feel really flat like no pump, hair still falling out a bit..

I just looked at my moms spectra cell test and mine they are identical except she is low in zinc due to low progesterone. reason I bring this up shes on 1 mgs femara for breast cancer and makes me think that I may have driven my e2 way down for a long time because i had no insurance to test for it. She also has same homocystein as me 4.4 and pretty much the smae problems with memory, joint pains, ect...Need to get e2 tested asap to know for sure because it needs to get stabilized ..

Getting e2 in check will reduce need more gaba, theanine, 5htp and will cause less stress to adrenals, thyroid, protein synthesis and fat/ cholesterol metabolsim will start back upagain. low estrogen alters lipid metabolism and cause choesterol and fats to be built up in the liver and not released hence low cholesterol, trigyclerides in serum. (fatty liver) it can also bring protein synthesis to grinding halt and also affect serotonin receptors through out the body..If I look armidex warning it pretty much tells the story..My typical scenerio is fatty liver due to insulin and estrogen imbalances

[rfish1966]

I am only on HCG and this is exactly how I feel...the bloating is terrible and the joint pain getting worse each week, atleast the sore nipples amuse my wife, so thats something fun for her for now.

3 days off armidex and still no erection, but nipples are not hurting either, but bad joint pain and bloating in stomach, no appetite, muscle feel really flat like no pump, hair still falling out a bit..

[hardasnails1973]

I am only on HCG and this is exactly how I feel...the bloating is terrible and the joint pain getting worse each week, atleast the sore nipples amuse my wife, so thats something fun for her for now.

My goals are
1. stabilize e2 before adding in HCG

2. INviestigation undermethyartion problems -related to e2 only makes sense or genetic mutation in specific enyzme common in 40% percent of population,
I took out TMG and added 200 mg sam-e BID I feel so much better on that

3. Examine fatty acid imbalances = EPA/AA ratio I
have consumed large quantitiys of red meat organic eggs, liver, for 8 months with no fish oils or fish due to I had to bleed out the fish oils and increase AA VERified by testing..RAtio switched caused increasing of SHBG. Before this my shbg was around 20

4.lower lp(a) levels - what things lower them NIACN and ESTROGEN, thyroid, fish oils, iodine

5. replenish iodine 50 mgs iodoral a day via urine testing and consulation with dr flectr

6. examine estrogen metabolism this could be putting extra strain on adrenals or thyroid..

rfish1966 HCG is known to increase more e1 then e2.
I beleive the hcg was reasoning for my higher e1 and could not metabolism it properly due to undermethylation, but AI took care of the e2 thats for sure and on 1 mgs a day drove it into the ground from the results from the ultrasenstiive e2 test of <2 range <29, stoppinng AI caused a horrible rebound effect thats for sure but still no one can give me a definitive answer on this...

[hardasnails1973]

Fromp upping iodoral to 50 mgs a day really put a damper on my adrenals. I upped cortef back 15 to 20 mgs a day and feeling much better..more energy and less joint pains, more less brain fog then previous days. These symptoms came on when the increase of from 25 mgs to 50 mgs..MY e2 seems to be keeping in check, but only blood work can verify it..Hopefully the pregnenolone creame is helping support other areas as hormone pathways as well..Morning wood is starting to return back, but also my nipples are starting to get sensitive too and that susully e2 starting to come back up. May be its just a rise in the e2 from low levels to high levels that is causing that ..Blood work will verify..