TRT - Skip a day?
- 07-16-2007, 11:29 AM
TRT - Skip a day?
I just read in a post by Dr. Crisler about skipping a day a week with the TD.
What would be the reason for this, why is it recommended and does this work?
I noticed the Androgel not working well for me at all anymore (tired, depressed, fatigue, etc.) and until I can get the funds to see Dr. Crisler or if my endo today would prescribe me the IM's and HCG, I would like to try anything to get the TD's to work for me.
This is frustrating as all hell, and I am sure many of you can relate to this. - 07-16-2007, 12:33 PM
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- 07-16-2007, 05:22 PM
- 07-16-2007, 07:44 PM
A lot of the guys I know that started on it when it first come out are not on it anymore. It just stops working I think it dose something to the skin that it can't get through and your levels start going down. We all went to shots most are doing them 2 x's a week I do every 3 days.
- 07-16-2007, 07:49 PM
that is what I hear as well, but the docs I went to seem to think otherwise...
I do want the shots, just for ease and convenience. Also I am an electrician and work in commercial environments which are often brutally hot this time of year... hence lots of sweat -
- 07-16-2007, 09:47 PM
You should use shots, much easier life.
Many have to deal with DHEA, progesterone or pregnenolone, this is where prescription compounded pregnenolone cream is superior, so you cannot escape transdermals all together.
I use 1 gram of pregnenolone cream, that amount is easy to live with. - 07-17-2007, 12:30 PM
- 07-17-2007, 12:44 PM
- 07-17-2007, 01:12 PM
- 07-17-2007, 04:50 PM
Preg cream.
T cream increase DHT? Im not sure. The first TD methods used this. It was, well, a patch on the nutts.
Preg will decrease DHT anyways. - 07-17-2007, 04:55 PM
A lot of men at the Yahoo H2 group tried doing gels on there nuts and ended up with very high DHT numbers 3 x's over the top of the range. Gels and creams are not the same as that patch that was used on your nuts.
- 07-17-2007, 05:26 PM
- 07-17-2007, 09:10 PM
I want to use the shots, I think I am going to call your guy Jansz...
it isn't far from me at all, and I can take a night/day and go to him - 07-17-2007, 09:45 PM
- 07-17-2007, 10:11 PM
- 07-18-2007, 12:26 AM
Let me know how it goes. Make Tuesday 2PM appointment.
If he wants to do any ostheopathic adjustments/manipulations, let him do it, is not going to kill you.
If you need any of my help, just ask.
It would be good idea if you figure out what is that you want and present it to him as your plan of action.
Have copy of all old blood works with you, so you can discuss it, and leave it in his files.
He will need that plus interview to justify any scripts that hi is ging to write, including script for blood test.
I do not remember/know your past but I got the whole set going before I got results from new blood work. All was based on old tests and past reactions/experience.
My set of scripts was
blood test
testosterone (if you short $$$, get compounded $47.50/10mL)(otherwise original Depo_t)(different scripts)
(plus syringes, you can get it via internet so script is not a must)
pregnenolone cream 100mg/1gram use 2grams/day (he will call script to compouding pharmacy)
Armour 1/2 grain pils (to start)( 4/day and up)
Armour 1grain pills
Cortef 5mg, 4 daily
Cialis
The more you can run your own show the more you are going to benefit.
I am not able to tell you how good is he at finding what is wrong with you, I am running my show, he makes sanity checks.
If something really would (God forbit) got out of line and you need big guns, hi is the best to make conference call with Dr John.
So you covered both ends. - 07-18-2007, 12:52 PM
- 07-18-2007, 12:58 PM
Thats exactyl what the dr ordrered and what I need !!
lower DHT and increase progesterone which should stimulate adrenals and start the casacde of events. Feeding pregenlone will actuall help to repair the enzymatic pathways blockage as well due to lack of pregenolone - 07-18-2007, 01:20 PM
You betcha.
It is a point that I would like to make that anyone that has history of AAS or TRT use probably has an empty androgen hormone profile outside of T. Exogenous T administered - androgen hormones are halted - not just T but lots of other pathways which are important.
Pregnenolone will fix this. - 07-18-2007, 01:27 PM
- 07-18-2007, 01:33 PM
- 07-18-2007, 08:50 PM
blood test
testosterone (if you short $$$, get compounded $47.50/10mL)(otherwise original Depo_t)(different scripts)
(plus syringes, you can get it via internet so script is not a must)
pregnenolone cream 100mg/1gram use 2grams/day (he will call script to compouding pharmacy)
Armour 1/2 grain pils (to start)( 4/day and up)
Armour 1grain pills
Cortef 5mg, 4 daily
Cialis
plus 2PM Tuesday? A particular reason for that? - 07-18-2007, 10:23 PM
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Armour 1/2 grain pils (to start)( 4/day and up)
Armour 1grain pills
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Usualy one starts Armour slowly, you may even want to cut the 1/2 grain pills at first.
Latter dose is increased to 2-3 grains
I want you to have variety of pills to have flexibility.
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The best day when doctor have a more time to spend with a patient is Tuesday. Other days are more busy for him.
I ended up with 2PM, do not remember why, that part is less important. I think the Tuesday is not cut in stone either, in case that you have problem with it.
This is just "underground" info I got from his nurse.
Latter, if you want some new scripts, you can talk to Roma over the phone then e-mail the request so she can present it to doc. She will tell you if/when you have to come to pick up the script (and possibly see doc for 2 minutes or more, his call) or sometimes she may just mail them to you or call pharmacy. Lots of flexibility. - 07-21-2007, 07:44 AM
RH, did your question about skipping a day ever get answered?
I became shut down from Adrogel a few months ago and was able to bring my LH and FSH back into range with Clomid, but my TT never got up that high,, only 290 (250-1100)..
I was curious if doing 10 mg. of Androgel EOD would kick up the TT and FT and not cause shut down.. - 07-21-2007, 11:18 AM
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