[RugbyHooligan]

I just read in a post by Dr. Crisler about skipping a day a week with the TD.

What would be the reason for this, why is it recommended and does this work?

I noticed the Androgel not working well for me at all anymore (tired, depressed, fatigue, etc.) and until I can get the funds to see Dr. Crisler or if my endo today would prescribe me the IM's and HCG, I would like to try anything to get the TD's to work for me.

This is frustrating as all hell, and I am sure many of you can relate to this.

[JanSz]

I just read in a post by Dr. Crisler about skipping a day a week with the TD.

What would be the reason for this, why is it recommended and does this work?

I noticed the Androgel not working well for me at all anymore (tired, depressed, fatigue, etc.) and until I can get the funds to see Dr. Crisler or if my endo today would prescribe me the IM's and HCG, I would like to try anything to get the TD's to work for me.

This is frustrating as all hell, and I am sure many of you can relate to this.

Are you sure about health of your thyroid?
Supposedly weak thyroid is a reason for lower absorbability.

OTOH, you are working via observation only, not by blood test.
It may be estrodial getting out of sweet spot.

Androgel got me super high DHT levels.

[RugbyHooligan]

I dunno.... its annoying to deal with that is for sure

[pmgamer18]

A lot of the guys I know that started on it when it first come out are not on it anymore. It just stops working I think it dose something to the skin that it can't get through and your levels start going down. We all went to shots most are doing them 2 x's a week I do every 3 days.

[RugbyHooligan]

that is what I hear as well, but the docs I went to seem to think otherwise...

I do want the shots, just for ease and convenience. Also I am an electrician and work in commercial environments which are often brutally hot this time of year... hence lots of sweat

[JanSz]

that is what I hear as well, but the docs I went to seem to think otherwise...

I do want the shots, just for ease and convenience. Also I am an electrician and work in commercial environments which are often brutally hot this time of year... hence lots of sweat

You should use shots, much easier life.
Many have to deal with DHEA, progesterone or pregnenolone, this is where prescription compounded pregnenolone cream is superior, so you cannot escape transdermals all together.
I use 1 gram of pregnenolone cream, that amount is easy to live with.

[hardasnails1973]

You should use shots, much easier life.
Many have to deal with DHEA, progesterone or pregnenolone, this is where prescription compounded pregnenolone cream is superior, so you cannot escape transdermals all together.
I use 1 gram of pregnenolone cream, that amount is easy to live with.

If one is not absorbing T cream what makes you think they can absorb pregenolone cream?
From reading your comments correcting the thyroid would may be be the first start and hell for an hour drive it be well worth it for sure !!

[plymouth city]

If one is not absorbing T cream what makes you think they can absorb pregenolone cream?
From reading your comments correcting the thyroid would may be be the first start and hell for an hour drive it be well worth it for sure !!

Or one could use a different area of the body that has higher absorbtion - Your nutts. This can be applied right when you get home from work after shower.

[hardasnails1973]

Or one could use a different area of the body that has higher absorbtion - Your nutts. This can be applied right when you get home from work after shower.

Wont that increase dht levels if its a T cream or you referring preg creame ?

[plymouth city]

Preg cream.

T cream increase DHT? Im not sure. The first TD methods used this. It was, well, a patch on the nutts.

Preg will decrease DHT anyways.

[pmgamer18]

A lot of men at the Yahoo H2 group tried doing gels on there nuts and ended up with very high DHT numbers 3 x's over the top of the range. Gels and creams are not the same as that patch that was used on your nuts.

[plymouth city]

A lot of men at the Yahoo H2 group tried doing gels on there nuts and ended up with very high DHT numbers 3 x's over the top of the range. Gels and creams are not the same as that patch that was used on your nuts.

Very true. I was commenting on preg cream. Preg will decrease DHT though. I wonder about T + Preg though. Might be a good idea. Might not.

[RugbyHooligan]

I want to use the shots, I think I am going to call your guy Jansz...

it isn't far from me at all, and I can take a night/day and go to him

[hardasnails1973]

Preg cream.

T cream increase DHT? Im not sure. The first TD methods used this. It was, well, a patch on the nutts.

Preg will decrease DHT anyways.

Thats what I can use
for sure !!

[ItsHectic]

How does pregnenelone cream decrease DHT, through elevation of progesterone?

[JanSz]

I want to use the shots, I think I am going to call your guy Jansz...

it isn't far from me at all, and I can take a night/day and go to him

Let me know how it goes. Make Tuesday 2PM appointment.
If he wants to do any ostheopathic adjustments/manipulations, let him do it, is not going to kill you.

If you need any of my help, just ask.

It would be good idea if you figure out what is that you want and present it to him as your plan of action.

Have copy of all old blood works with you, so you can discuss it, and leave it in his files.
He will need that plus interview to justify any scripts that hi is ging to write, including script for blood test.

I do not remember/know your past but I got the whole set going before I got results from new blood work. All was based on old tests and past reactions/experience.

My set of scripts was
blood test
testosterone (if you short $$$, get compounded $47.50/10mL)(otherwise original Depo_t)(different scripts)
(plus syringes, you can get it via internet so script is not a must)
pregnenolone cream 100mg/1gram use 2grams/day (he will call script to compouding pharmacy)
Armour 1/2 grain pils (to start)( 4/day and up)
Armour 1grain pills
Cortef 5mg, 4 daily
Cialis

The more you can run your own show the more you are going to benefit.
I am not able to tell you how good is he at finding what is wrong with you, I am running my show, he makes sanity checks.
If something really would (God forbit) got out of line and you need big guns, hi is the best to make conference call with Dr John.
So you covered both ends.

[plymouth city]

How does pregnenelone cream decrease DHT, through elevation of progesterone?

Yes

[hardasnails1973]

Yes

Thats exactyl what the dr ordrered and what I need !!
lower DHT and increase progesterone which should stimulate adrenals and start the casacde of events. Feeding pregenlone will actuall help to repair the enzymatic pathways blockage as well due to lack of pregenolone

[plymouth city]

Thats exactyl what the dr ordrered and what I need !!
lower DHT and increase progesterone which should stimulate adrenals and start the casacde of events. Feeding pregenlone will actuall help to repair the enzymatic pathways blockage as well due to lack of pregenolone

You betcha.

It is a point that I would like to make that anyone that has history of AAS or TRT use probably has an empty androgen hormone profile outside of T. Exogenous T administered - androgen hormones are halted - not just T but lots of other pathways which are important.

Pregnenolone will fix this.

[hardasnails1973]

You betcha.

It is a point that I would like to make that anyone that has history of anabolic steroids or TRT use probably has an empty androgen hormone profile outside of T. Exogenous T administered - androgen hormones are halted - not just T but lots of other pathways which are important.

Pregnenolone will fix this.

as well as HCG into the mix as well to keep pathways open
My dr stopped HCG and adding in preg for 4 weeks then will retest. He said that the preg might give T a boost and as Dr J said it "back fills the holes " which can created from TRT

[plymouth city]

as well as HCG into the mix as well to keep pathways open
My dr stopped HCG and adding in preg for 4 weeks then will retest. He said that the preg might give T a boost and as Dr J said it "back fills the holes " which can created from TRT

I think the best thing to do is to start TRT people on T only at first - no AI, no hCG. This way one can get a picture if T is working independently and outside of an AI response or hCG.

Wether or not to start preg cream right away is something I do not know.

[RugbyHooligan]

blood test
testosterone (if you short $$$, get compounded $47.50/10mL)(otherwise original Depo_t)(different scripts)
(plus syringes, you can get it via internet so script is not a must)
pregnenolone cream 100mg/1gram use 2grams/day (he will call script to compouding pharmacy)
Armour 1/2 grain pils (to start)( 4/day and up)
Armour 1grain pills
Cortef 5mg, 4 daily
Cialis

you have armour twice

plus 2PM Tuesday? A particular reason for that?

[JanSz]

you have armour twice

plus 2PM Tuesday? A particular reason for that?

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Armour 1/2 grain pils (to start)( 4/day and up)
Armour 1grain pills
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Usualy one starts Armour slowly, you may even want to cut the 1/2 grain pills at first.
Latter dose is increased to 2-3 grains
I want you to have variety of pills to have flexibility.
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The best day when doctor have a more time to spend with a patient is Tuesday. Other days are more busy for him.
I ended up with 2PM, do not remember why, that part is less important. I think the Tuesday is not cut in stone either, in case that you have problem with it.
This is just "underground" info I got from his nurse.

Latter, if you want some new scripts, you can talk to Roma over the phone then e-mail the request so she can present it to doc. She will tell you if/when you have to come to pick up the script (and possibly see doc for 2 minutes or more, his call) or sometimes she may just mail them to you or call pharmacy. Lots of flexibility.

[biker340]

RH, did your question about skipping a day ever get answered?

I became shut down from Adrogel a few months ago and was able to bring my LH and FSH back into range with Clomid, but my TT never got up that high,, only 290 (250-1100)..

I was curious if doing 10 mg. of Androgel EOD would kick up the TT and FT and not cause shut down..

[RugbyHooligan]

it did and it didn't biker...

I am looking for a reason why it would work.

[plymouth city]

I was curious if doing 10 mg. of Androgel EOD would kick up the TT and FT and not cause shut down..

Yep and nope.

10mg of androgel will kick up TT and FT if your a responder.

It will shut you down though

[RugbyHooligan]

does anyone know why skipping a day is recommended?

[plymouth city]

does anyone know why skipping a day is recommended?

I can't find anywhere were Dr John or anyone else who recommends this

[RugbyHooligan]

plymouth, Dr. John has said on this board that he recommended this, I was just wondering why.

I have read that here.

[plymouth city]

Give me links, etc.

Dr John I would love to hear your reasoning behind this