21 YO Low T Hair is flying off my head! Help!
- 06-24-2007, 12:34 AM
21 YO Low T Hair is flying off my head! Help!
I'm 21 years old and i have diagnosed with hypogonadism. I have very basic knowledge about this stuff, but hopefully that will change after i spend some more time on the boards.
Basically my hair is falling out in no pattern. Mass amounts of my hair will literally just fall out accompanied by a nasty case of dandruff that i have been treating with a Tea Tree Oil shampoo. I have far less body hair on my legs, chest, feet, and pubic area. I have an extreme cold intolerance located mainly in my hands and feet. My wounds also take a very long time to heal.
I have a diet of raw food (fruit, soaked nuts, veggies) with the exception of a good amount of omega-3's coming from Carlson's Cod Liver Oil.
My Endo prescribed me Testim 1% which i took for about a month, but stopped after i read that the #1 side effect was baldness... Exactly the thing i was worried about most.
After doing some research over at regrowth.com i got tipped off to Bio-Identical Progesterone. What are you guys thoughts on applying this directly to the testes for 19 days on and 7 days off? Is it correct that Progesterone is a precursor to testosterone as well as a natural 5-alpha reductase inhibitor and an inhibitor of estrogen?
I will absolutely not be doing anything till I make another appointment with a competent endo that knows what he's doing.
If anyone knows a great doctor in orange county don't hesitate to say something
Any input would be really appreciated!
- 06-24-2007, 03:30 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if your low testosterone was due to your diet. Maybe you can give more details about it.
06-24-2007, 04:51 AM
Was you're hair falling out before you started the testim trial (ie - when u were diagnosed with low T - hypogondism ? ).
If so I'd suspect maybe thyroid could be causing the hairloss (especially if it is all over loss, and not MPB). Full blood work of adrenals, thyroid, sex hormones would help to find possible causes. If you have thyroid issues, it could also be messing up your testosterone levels.
I'd also be concerned about your diet, as mentioned above. What your diet consist of is extrememly important to your bodies hormonal systems.
06-24-2007, 08:03 AM
why are you doing a raw food diet, a vegan diet?
hmm a vegan diet is very harmful on health, espeically testosterone levels
dopamine comes from meat/eggs, and dopamine increases testosterone.
you need to start eating eggs and meat
06-24-2007, 09:26 AM
Is in cali go see dr mariano. My one freind who depsises drs with a passion was very content and pleased with him and gave him the answers he was looking for almost 3 years..It all came down to iodine defieincy, adrenal fatigue pre existing hypothyroidism before he even got sick. Life style pushed him over the edge he is 22
My last cholesterol reading was 126 despite eating whole organic eggs, Cocconut oil, beef and organic butter. COudl this be a sign that I could have extremely low insulin levels for some apparent reason or too much fiber (soluable fiber in diet which could be binding with cholesterol) Could insulin be in relationship to also estrogen imbalances such as low estrodial.
Given low cholesterol I think I would be a good candidate for some pregnelone creame also because of low thyroid problem as well. I had cholesterol of 99 3 years a go and dr said that best I have seen" IF I ONLY KNEW it was my adrenals screaming out to me at that time..
06-24-2007, 09:40 AM
I really appreciate your guys responses, seriously thank you.
I'll give everyone a rundown of my daily diet
Morning: A smoothie made up of spinach, hemp protein, coconut oil, orange, banana, and apple
Afternoon: Some kind of Pate (sunflower seeds/almonds/walnuts) usually with a large dark green salad.
Dinner: Usually a gigantic salad with lots of extra virgin olive oil and some more fruit.
So I get plenty of protein (hemp protein, almonds), i take a B-Vitamin complex w/b12 in it as well as lysine. I was thinking of throwing Zinc into the mix as well.
Do meat and eggs raise T or do specific amino acids in meat/eggs raise T? I would prefer to stay on a raw vegan diet because I really enjoy eating like this, BUT if this is a huge problem and is causing my rapid miniaturization/hair loss i will discontinue it.
My rapid hair loss started before i was on Testim.
Here is the kicker. I first noticed a drop in sex drive specifically last October 06, I started eating vegan in January 07. So i have felt this "no desire for sex" feeling for sometime before i was vegan. Even when i was eating a lot of animal meat and eggs.
Dr. John - Perhaps i have Candida? I do have a weird growth on the bottom of my feet. It's yellowish raised skin right beneath my toes. Just seems like extra skin that hurts sometimes.
You'll have to forgive my ignorance, but CHOL<140--> means that if you don't have any source of cholesterol in your diet you are more likely to develop hypogonadism?
Thank you so much for your responses guys.
06-24-2007, 09:48 AM
06-24-2007, 02:02 PM
I really appreciate your reply hardasnails1973,
Quite enlightening... I had no idea I was causing so much harm to my body. Kind of sad.
Would adding grass fed eggs and whey protein be enough to get things back on track or do i have to physically eat meat?
So as long as my cholesterol gets a boost the high fiber aspect of diet is ok?
Is Dr. Roberto Mariano the doctor you're speaking of?
06-24-2007, 06:29 PM
It sounds as one could become a patient there.
I am LEF member but do not know of such a service.
Anybody know more details on how one could become patient at LEF?
In that article they say that living with animals may cause parasites.
I used to live on farm, then had dogs, cats, birds etc.
I feed wild animals in my backyard, so there was opportunity.
"""""""After one month of treatment, we suggested a one-month parasite-cleansing program (Paraway® Pack), """"""""
LEF do not sell Paraway® Pack
How to check and how to cleanse parasites?
I note that LEF tested for:
Pregnenolone (10-230 ng/dL)
Total estrogen (61-437 pg/mL)
Why do they do that?
06-24-2007, 09:58 PM
This Could Explain Low Cholesterol Levels Too
since I check into your diet your argine to lysine ratio is WACKED
its like 5:1 argine to lysine
High lysine to arginine ratio diets, as found in animal protein, stimulate cholesterol synthesis, whereas lower lysine to arginine ratio diets do not stimulate as much cholesterol synthesis. are you taking NO2
I have been taking NO2 which is argine and not balacing it with lysine !!
06-25-2007, 01:56 AM
06-25-2007, 06:51 AM
06-25-2007, 08:48 AM
I think you should look closely at your ancestors’ diet. If they were primarily meat eaters you should not strike meat from your diet. Everyone is different. Think of the thousands of years behind your genetic code. I know that my ancestors had to rely on meat. When I was your age I tried the macrobiotic diet. After 18 months I was skinny, weak and could barely function. Come to think of it, sex was probably the last think on my mind. Now I eat animal protein including red meat at least once a week. I buy nothing but hormone free products. I also eat a lot of organic vegetables and fruits and it feels right.
06-25-2007, 09:42 AM
colkurtz_spf - I am currently taking cod liver oil and have been for sometime. I've been taking about 9 grams a day (3 with each meal) so that's 810 EPA & 1080 DHA a day. What are you thoughts on this?
I'm still a little confused. Is my body screwed up solely because I haven't been eating dairy/meat? Or is it because of the lack of cholesterol and the fiber in my diet binding to any free cholesterol? The protein shake i had every morning had a full amino acid profile, but it was based on rice protein...so no cholesterol.
Does chicken have a good amount of cholesterol?
Sorry to sound so dumb guys, i just want to explain this to my Endo when i see him.
06-25-2007, 10:59 AM
Also coconut oil seems to be a cholesterol reducer, would the benefit be in thyroid stimulation?
Would it be beneficial to add an iodine source to my diet? Perhaps 2 drops of Lugol's solution or kelp?
06-25-2007, 11:01 AM
i personally dont like to put to much thought into what i eat, i eat meat, vegetables, fruit, grains. all natural all organic. if i happen to eat pizza or beer so what, moderation is key.
just what what makes you feel happy and healthy.
06-25-2007, 11:04 AM
You are creating a huge imbalnace between arachondinc acid and EPA. Lack of arachondonic acid (red meat, whole eggs) and excessive fish oils will cause hormonal dysruptions excesive oxidative stress. I have been down that road before.. Plus with out saturated fats in diets you can not process EFA's properly and cholesterol is taken from teh liver and inserted into the cell membranes causing decreased cell fluidity
2 servings of muscle milk would do wonders mixxed in some whole orgacnic eggs 2-3 a day
06-25-2007, 11:20 AM
06-25-2007, 06:05 PM
06-25-2007, 06:21 PM
06-25-2007, 08:21 PM
hardasnails1973 - Do you have Dr. Mariano's first name? I'm looking through all these doctors, but I really have no idea who would actually help me and who will just slap me on Testim again...
Would looking through the LEF directory be more beneficial in my situation than looking for a standard Endo?
I just had my first omelette cooked in coconut oil, it tasted great!
Even after i start adding organic eggs and meat to my diet should i still be taking lysine?
06-26-2007, 02:44 PM
I will bet that you are hypothyroid, with those symptoms. Your hair wouldn't be thinning like that if it were MPB. Also, this started BEFORE you went on TRT.
06-26-2007, 04:23 PM
06-27-2007, 05:27 PM
07-14-2007, 03:54 PM
Hey guys i just got back from my doctor and he diagnosed me as Hypothyroid. Here is my blood work
CHOLESTEROL 181 (140 - 200 mg/dL)
HDL 67 (40 - 100 mg/dL)
LDL 101 (30 - 130 mg/dL)
FREE T3 1.73 (2.00 - 4.20 pg/mL)
FREE T4 0.93 (.71 - 1.85 ug/dL)
TSH 1.08 (.35 - 4.00 uIU/mL)
ESTRADIOL 46 (20 - 75 pg/mL)
IGF-I 127 (126 - 382 ng/mL)
THYROID PEROXIDASE ANTIBODIES 19 (<35 IU/mL)
DHEA SULFATE 331 (110 - 510 mcg/dL)
TESTOSTERONE 484 (241 - 827 ng/dL)
SHBG 50 (7 - 44 nmol/L)
He started me on 3 tablets of armour (15mg each). Will armour correct my growth hormone, estradiol, and high shbg?
Any insights on these numbers would really help.
*I have incorporated Omega 3 Eggs and Free Range Chicken into my diet
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