blood test results
- 05-24-2007, 11:46 PM
blood test results
For a while now ive been really fatigued and my libido has been suck...
I even have started to occur some occasional ED which is pretty tuff to deal with only being 23 yrs old!!!
The ED is strange as it wont occur right away but mid intercourse (10-15 mins) I will loose an erection.
So I got some bloodwork done and my T levels were normal but the low end normal.
I have cut out caffiene and tryed to get more sleep and it is helping somewhat with the fatigue although nothing dramatic and still the sex drive has not improved.
Ill post up my T numbers and I just want to get a general oppinion if I should be concerned for a 23 yr old?
Does anyone think my T levels are directly related to my poor sex drive or is it something else? And would an OTC t booster or even a stint of clomid/AI raise levels enough to notice a difference?
I have done steroids a couple times which most likely is leading to my low T levels but have been clean for 3 years now.
My Total T was
% Free T
lipids were normal
liver was normal
Glucose was high
Free T4 normal
- 05-25-2007, 08:29 AM
05-25-2007, 03:36 PM
Your thyroid numbers are great. Your glucose is high, are you overweight?
Doing steroids a few times had pretty much no impact, given they were short cycles right?
You are hypogonadal, no doubt about it. That is a terrible T level and you need treatment. I dunno weither you are primary or secondary, I don't see a LH or FSH level. (meaning, I dunno wether your nutts or your pituitary is messed up)
Any testical injuries? Severe blows to the nutts as a kid? How about car accidents? Any hard blows to the head? Ever had concussions, been knocked out, etc..?
What was your drug and alcohol use like? Any prescription meds?
Height, weight and estimanted BF%?
You need more bloodwork. And a good Dr. Location?
05-25-2007, 07:50 PM
I did have the blood drawn at around 4-5 PM though not sure if this is of relevance???
Not overweight bf% prolly around 12-14%
10-12 week cycles (3) and a 4 week oral cycle
Ive been in two serious life threatening car accidents. No brain trauma though. been knocked out on both of them
Doctor would check for LH or FSH or any other hormones for that matter because my doctor didnt feel the need to test for them and said insurance probably wouldnt cover them.
No prescription meds and alcohol intake is weekend drinker friday and saturday nights but It is moderatly heavy around 6 or 7 beers.
05-25-2007, 09:33 PM
I find it amazing that you can get an erection at 303 ng/dL. I am at 380 ng/dl and i can't even get an erection. And my E2 is at 20. I wonder if T is only hormonal variable in ED/libido issues. This is getting complicated and insanely frustrating.
05-25-2007, 10:31 PM
yeah me T levels are around 360, i can only get like an 60 erection during masturbating, SEX is never gonna happen at this point.
05-26-2007, 12:27 AM
Alright, now we are getting somewhere
It is very possible your pituitary was damaged in your car accidents! Quite often the pituitary can be damaged and overlooked! Especially considering you
A. Had more than one and
B. Was hurt seriously enough to be knocked out.
Why isn't your Dr asking you these questions, and checking LH and FSH levels! (More like why do I know and he doesn't) He is a DR!
He can't possibly even begin to treat you without a more complete BW. Your way to young in the game right now to settle for less. I suggest you fly out and see Dr John(allthingsmale.com)
Who cares if insurance doesn't cover, it still wouldn't be more than a few hundred bucks at most. And its a one time thing.
Its your health, I wouldn't play around.
05-26-2007, 12:28 AM
05-26-2007, 08:55 AM
05-26-2007, 10:22 AM
05-26-2007, 10:31 AM
yeah my LH / FSH are low, but i also have hashimotos
shippen in just 3 weeks : ) he should fix me right up.
yeah but the weird thing is i can still get decent morning erection, and if i take a nap during the day i can get an erection, but when im awake its like my penis is not home.
05-26-2007, 12:37 PM
05-26-2007, 12:42 PM
Although this is a very crude generalization to make, from what I have read/seen it seems like the younger guys who are hypogonadal are at a higher percentage secondary.
05-26-2007, 12:52 PM
05-27-2007, 02:28 AM
Yeah I deffenatley have to go get some more bloodwork done.
My blood was drawn really late in the day though around 4-5 pm is this relevant to how low my T levels are???
05-27-2007, 09:11 AM
yes that matters, but thats still very low for that time of day, your T levels should be around 700-900 in the am and not drop below 500
05-27-2007, 01:36 PM
05-27-2007, 11:00 PM
05-28-2007, 01:09 AM
I posted my T levels in another thread. They were in the mid to high 200's I believe. This is before I ever did a cycle. I'm now starting PCT and hope to jumpstart my T production back to normal.
05-28-2007, 11:20 AM
I am thinking that the absence of a morning surge of FT may be one of the ways that TRT might not be a complete solution. While some suck on weeking injections and feel better with E2D or E3D injections, this also may be eliminating some benefits of T level variations.... but this is all unfounded specuation at this point.
05-28-2007, 01:51 PM
I also firmly believe that testosterone is not the end all be all. I think we need to go up farther in the anabolic hormone tree. T is at the bottom of the line. There are bigger compounds out there that not only break down into T, but a whole host of other goodies like the andro's and such.
I am really, really becoming fascinated with the idea of using pregnenolone + DHEA transdermally. These are the "Bigger older brothers" of the testosterone tree, that break down into not just T, but everything else thats important as well, including Growth Hormone, 7KetoDHEA, the andros, the healthy estrogens, etc. Plus, they can be cycled so shutdown won't occur. And the natural fluctuations in hormones still occur.
And some of the newest, plant based AI's out there now are just as effective as arimidex and about a million times healthier for the body, with some very important cancer fighting properties.
We shall see how this all plays out.
05-28-2007, 02:04 PM
05-28-2007, 02:13 PM
Calcium D Glucarate
DIM + TMG
05-28-2007, 02:28 PM
05-28-2007, 04:43 PM
I do not see anything new on his web site, well except Derma Term.
I still think that I would have a problem putting 7.5mL of fluid on me.
I used to do 10grams of Androgel but there was a lot of alcohol and it dried almost instantly.
Derma is much less volatile (I think).
The 3grams of cream I am putting on daily is getting old.
I am stuck in shorts for 1/2 hour waiting to get dry.
05-28-2007, 11:46 PM
05-28-2007, 11:49 PM
I will say this - I have been following Eric's work very closely and have been reading and researching everything he writes. I am very, very impressed with what he has to say.
05-29-2007, 10:04 AM
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