Joint pain E2?
- 05-23-2007, 09:49 AM
Joint pain E2?
I have had wierd joint pain for the last few years...My doc told me I am just fat and should lose weight and that was that. Then I get on test and for a few days have total relief and then it comes back again. Next my urologist wanted me off everything for 6 weeks to get blood tests, E2 came back at 35....all symptoms stopped again.
Now I am doing hcg 250iu EOD and test 2 times a week and it's back again. Only thing I can figure is maybe E2 is getting to high. Anyone else have this?
P.S. I also get a little weak and light headed during this time...Night sweats also, wife just reminded me of that.
- 05-23-2007, 10:12 AM
There is a possibility that your SQ T shots will generate more E than IM.
But E2=35 is typical.
My E2=37 made me feel like crap, even with TT at around 1000 and FT above normal range. So E2 can spoil all for some and E2 levels can do this without been above range. If a doc will not treat your symptoms unless your E2 levels are above range, then you need a new doc or need to press your case.
AI, 1mg/wk of arimidex took me from 37-->22 and made a huge difference for the better.
Things like night sweats might be transient and I would not be concerned. I had some transient sleeping disturbances, other than wood, that have cleared up. If TRT works, you may be changing fat patterns and metabolizing fat, that might make you warmer at night.
- 05-23-2007, 10:16 AM
05-23-2007, 10:31 AM
Hey Ksman good to see you on here. I do have some adex to start on if need be. So maybe I will try that.
05-23-2007, 10:54 AM
05-23-2007, 11:07 AM
05-23-2007, 11:14 AM
05-23-2007, 11:23 AM
I would have to dig up the blood work but tt was 156 or 165...one of those. LH FSH both low.Doc wanted me on HCG only for 6 weeks to see if it could jumpstart things. My nads got bigger but test did not change so cyp was added back in. I think when that bottle is empty he is going to make me go to the gel...
05-23-2007, 04:41 PM
05-23-2007, 04:50 PM
I do have some LiquiDex with a graduated dropper ready if I need it.
05-23-2007, 04:52 PM
05-23-2007, 05:02 PM
In total you can do both (T+HCG) shots every other day or every 3 days, convenient and effective.
For HCG you can use any size needle up to 31ga.
When you did not stopped HCG.
On gels retest after 2 weeks, adjust dose.
On Test retest after 4-6 weeks.
Do not stop HCG, but if you must....
When you stopped HCG you waiting time will be much longer, basically wait untill you balls are totally gone.
05-23-2007, 06:48 PM
05-24-2007, 01:26 PM
05-24-2007, 10:23 PM
On 5 grams I had T=664
On average one can expect:
Quote: "The average (± SDev) daily testosterone concentration produced by AndroGel 10 g on Day 30 was 792 (± 294) ng/dL and by AndroGel 5 g 566 (± 262) ng/dL."
05-25-2007, 09:07 AM
I have a feeling I will be pushed toward the gel the doctor was not to thrilled with injections and he might not refill them when this bottle is out, who knows I might have some luck with it....
05-25-2007, 12:06 PM
That is 15mg of gel.
I must say that if you do not have a problem paying big bucks for the product, or worry about infants like I do, it is not that bad. Convenience vise Androgel is the best around, in my opinoin. It dries out instantly, in 2-3 minutes you are ready to go. The process takes about 5 minutes from start to putting clothes on. It is faster than fiddling with needles (at least for me.)
Now I use a T cream 2 grams/day and pregnenolone cream 1gram/day.
I think 3 grams is a top for me, plus I am "stuck" for 1/2 hour every morning waiting for it to soak in.
05-25-2007, 12:44 PM
I have to admit a break from needles might be nice. My wife never misses an injection, I however have messed up several times. Right now I have a huge black abd blue spot from hcg next to my navel.. I guess I probably just need to practice but a break would be nice all the same.
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