250 HCG twice a week

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by KSman View Post
    HCG has a reasonably long half life of 36 hours which makes the EOD not as hilly as one would expect. And with the T level floor, drops in T will be minimal. I tried injecting T and HCG every days for a month when I switched from weekly T and HCG twice a week. I did that to know what a steady state of things would feel like. I then switched to EOD and things felt the same to me. With the two injections, eliminating 365 injections per year has some merit.

    HCG has a longer 1/2 life than LH.

    EOD was also used in the research that supports 250iu EOD.

    Drawing up the .56ml of test cyp takes a while, but I only have to do that every 8 days (yielding 98mg/wk).
    Quote Originally Posted by KSman View Post
    My T increased 16% when HCG was added at 250 EOD. So we should not be concerned with the waviness of the 16% which may be very small.

    I don't see that injecting HCG EOD in-between T injections is worth having to do injections every day. You could try it, but I doubt that you would notice anything.
    Hi KSman;
    I am doing little study
    Jan's BloodTest April13/2007

    and would appreciate if you supply some of the data that you gathered while on different routines.

    I think you should have TT levels using 98mg/week dose
    (without HCG, ie; testis are shut down)
    at two different routines
    T shots every day ------------TT=???
    T shots every other day, E2D--TT=???

    Latter you have added HCG 250iu E2D and your TT went up 16%

    I am assuming that you draw blood on the day of the shot right before shot, clarify if that is not the case.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Nope not proven so far hasn't
    Not true anymore.

    HcG solo will desensitize the testes due to FSH shutdown.

    hMG is needed for FSH output.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Hi KSman;
    I am doing little study
    Jan's BloodTest April13/2007

    and would appreciate if you supply some of the data that you gathered while on different routines.

    I think you should have TT levels using 98mg/week dose
    (without HCG, ie; testis are shut down)
    at two different routines
    T shots every day ------------TT=???
    T shots every other day, E2D--TT=???

    Latter you have added HCG 250iu E2D and your TT went up 16%

    I am assuming that you draw blood on the day of the shot right before shot, clarify if that is not the case.
    I don't think that ED vs EOD would yield different TT levels.

    When on EOD I test the day after injecting. Levels will not be changing much anyways.

    I do not have blood work from ED injections, that was short term.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by KSman View Post
    I don't think that ED vs EOD would yield different TT levels.

    When on EOD I test the day after injecting. Levels will not be changing much anyways.

    I do not have blood work from ED injections, that was short term.
    Based on your experience,
    do you see much of a problem with average TotalT levels vs T dose that I approximated using referenced sources here:
    Jan's BloodTest April13/2007

    Men in study got shots so their testes were not producing T,
    blood levels were due to T shots only.

    Your 98mg/week dose, say 100mg/week, should have produced TTaverage=776(75) per that study

  5. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Based on your experience,
    do you see much of a problem with average TotalT levels vs T dose that I approximated using referenced sources here:
    Jan's BloodTest April13/2007

    Men in study got shots so their testes were not producing T,
    blood levels were due to T shots only.

    Your 98mg/week dose, say 100mg/week, should have produced TTaverage=776(75) per that study
    The above is +/- 10%, differences in labs as well.

    I was 886 before starting HCG.

    Some get more or less results. There might need to be an adjustment for lean mass. And conversion of T-->E definately eats T. So corrections could be made for weight and %BF as a measure of aromatization as well as E2 levels. T-->DHT also takes T out of TT.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by KSman View Post
    The above is +/- 10%, differences in labs as well.

    I was 886 before starting HCG.

    Some get more or less results. There might need to be an adjustment for lean mass. And conversion of T-->E definately eats T. So corrections could be made for weight and %BF as a measure of aromatization as well as E2 levels. T-->DHT also takes T out of TT.
    Your 98mg/week dose, say 100mg/week, should have produced TTaverage=776(75) per that study.
    776+75=851
    you have got 886
    that is close enough in my book.
    If you remember, please describe your routine and time of blood draw when you came with this TT=886.

    Now if someone know his SHBG
    this chart that I posted plus dr Shippen's chart for
    FreeT as a function of TotalT & SHBG
    http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/attac...tscanlllll.jpg

    http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/533890-post45.html

    can give decent aproximation of a Depo-T starting dose.
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