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    Spine surgery L3 -L5


    Not long ago (month or so) one poor sucker mention his spine surgery and follow up life in the gym.
    I cannot locate the post or his name.
    Original poster please respond or somebody please help in locating this post.
    I need to find out as much as I can about this type of surgery, my back hurts and I may need this type of help. One or two of my discks in that area are rather thin (not bulging).
    Thank you.

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    I'd be one of the poor suckers. Had lumbar microdiskectomy four years ago. I am atypical though, as had other (cervical and adrenal fatigue) issues start up after this and took/am taking a very long time to recover (still nowhere near fully recovered).
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRIMNURUK View Post
    I'd be one of the poor suckers. Had lumbar microdiskectomy four years ago. I am atypical though, as had other (cervical and adrenal fatigue) issues start up after this and took/am taking a very long time to recover (still nowhere near fully recovered).
    Thank you for responding.
    I am 67yo. Since about 19yo I had back problems.
    Last about 20 years chiropractic adjustment usually was succesfull for few monts sometime longer.
    Last year I had MRI done and I see some of the discs are not as thick as one would imagine them to be when right.
    There are no bulging discs.
    I did not lost any height.
    My chiropractor is adjusting me weekly now also he have a gym and one hour/week I am lifting weights per his design.
    He advices me to stay out of having any surgeries,
    but the pain and discomfort is growing old on me.
    So I am gathering information.
    Problem with asking doctors for advice is that the question should be posed to the right person.
    Whe asking surgeon he most likely would advice surgery.
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    I had a number of surgeries, the past choices were rather clear and I do not regret any of my surgeries.
    Actualy my last, left arm, rotator cuf, I wish the surgeon was more proactive and I had surgery 9 months earlier.

    What would you say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Thank you for responding.
    I am 67yo. Since about 19yo I had back problems.
    Last about 20 years chiropractic adjustment usually was succesfull for few monts sometime longer.
    Last year I had MRI done and I see some of the discs are not as thick as one would imagine them to be when right.
    There are no bulging discs.
    I did not lost any height.
    My chiropractor is adjusting me weekly now also he have a gym and one hour/week I am lifting weights per his design.
    He advices me to stay out of having any surgeries,
    but the pain and discomfort is growing old on me.
    So I am gathering information.
    Problem with asking doctors for advice is that the question should be posed to the right person.
    Whe asking surgeon he most likely would advice surgery.
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    I had a number of surgeries, the past choices were rather clear and I do not regret any of my surgeries.
    Actualy my last, left arm, rotator cuf, I wish the surgeon was more proactive and I had surgery 9 months earlier.

    What would you say?

    Cripe, your 67 and have no disc bulging or height loss? I was 32 when mine "went" and I've got bulging discs and my discs look like a thin sliver on the MRIs. You must have great "back" genes.
    I agree that surgery is the last option, especially since long term it seems that pain reduction is similar for surgery vs no surgery. Mine really debilitated me beyond what it should have and I don't expect to ever be doing heavy lifting, full contact martial arts or firefighting again. Have you had any luck with injections? I didn't but I think they got the wrong nerve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRIMNURUK View Post
    Cripe, your 67 and have no disc bulging or height loss? I was 32 when mine "went" and I've got bulging discs and my discs look like a thin sliver on the MRIs. You must have great "back" genes.
    I agree that surgery is the last option, especially since long term it seems that pain reduction is similar for surgery vs no surgery. Mine really debilitated me beyond what it should have and I don't expect to ever be doing heavy lifting, full contact martial arts or firefighting again. Have you had any luck with injections? I didn't but I think they got the wrong nerve.
    What injections, what is being injected where and why?
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    There are days when I am not straight, I lean somewhat to the left.
    I am not sure if that is due to muscle spasms or disc or vertebra being thiner on a left side.
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    Where have you had surgery, what city?
    How did you located proper doctor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    What injections, what is being injected where and why?
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    There are days when I am not straight, I lean somewhat to the left.
    I am not sure if that is due to muscle spasms or disc or vertebra being thiner on a left side.
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    Where have you had surgery, what city?
    How did you located proper doctor?
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    Lumbar Epidural Injection

    Lumbar Epidural Injection


    I did the leaning too. Body reacting to the problem.
    Had surgery in Buffalo. Got referral from sports med clinic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRIMNURUK View Post
    Lumbar Epidural Injection

    Lumbar Epidural Injection


    I did the leaning too. Body reacting to the problem.
    Had surgery in Buffalo. Got referral from sports med clinic.
    I have not been there, but thinking of this place.
    Hospital for Special Surgery
    Like I said before, I assume when I go in there they will find a type surgery for me. But they do not necessarly will advice if that surgery makes sense, this is more like individual decission.

    If I could see crooked people going in and straight going out, that would help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    I have not been there, but thinking of this place.
    Hospital for Special Surgery
    Like I said before, I assume when I go in there they will find a type surgery for me. But they do not necessarly will advice if that surgery makes sense, this is more like individual decission.

    If I could see crooked people going in and straight going out, that would help.

    Yeah, you got that right. Ask a surgeon and they'll say: "Let's operate!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRIMNURUK View Post
    Yeah, you got that right. Ask a surgeon and they'll say: "Let's operate!"
    It all depends on the person, the surgeon, and how evasive the operation will be. I had a disectomy the past January. I blew out the center portion of my disc in the L4-L5 region. I feel great. I was only in the hopsital over night. I just got back into the gym this week. I have to take it easy because it can take any where from 12 to 18 months for your back to get back to 100 percent. But I am in no pain and I feel great. Now if they have to put something in or replace ( I just had removal) then you could be talking more recovery time. I know people who wish they never had back surgery and I also know people who say it is the best thing they ever did. Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SufferingEd View Post
    It all depends on the person, the surgeon, and how evasive the operation will be. I had a disectomy the past January. I blew out the center portion of my disc in the L4-L5 region. I feel great. I was only in the hopsital over night. I just got back into the gym this week. I have to take it easy because it can take any where from 12 to 18 months for your back to get back to 100 percent. But I am in no pain and I feel great. Now if they have to put something in or replace ( I just had removal) then you could be talking more recovery time. I know people who wish they never had back surgery and I also know people who say it is the best thing they ever did. Good luck.
    So what did the surgery entail?
    They fused L4 to L5 and you are stiff in that area,
    or something else was done and L4-L5 area is still flexible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SufferingEd View Post
    It all depends on the person, the surgeon, and how evasive the operation will be. I had a disectomy the past January. I blew out the center portion of my disc in the L4-L5 region. I feel great. I was only in the hopsital over night. I just got back into the gym this week. I have to take it easy because it can take any where from 12 to 18 months for your back to get back to 100 percent. But I am in no pain and I feel great. Now if they have to put something in or replace ( I just had removal) then you could be talking more recovery time. I know people who wish they never had back surgery and I also know people who say it is the best thing they ever did. Good luck.
    Yep, everyone responds differently. I was Right L5-S1, MICROdiscectomy. (minor stuff I understand). Was in and out of hospital on same day. Took over two years to lose a significant amount of the pain. Three and a half years later, I'm still doing rehab and nowhere near 100 percent. I am really hoping that getting my hormones straightened around will let me finally heal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    So what did the surgery entail?
    They fused L4 to L5 and you are stiff in that area,
    or something else was done and L4-L5 area is still flexible?
    All they did was remove what I had blown out. I am still flexiable, actually while I was stretching to work out, I actually felt more flexible. The made about a 3 inch incision, went in, pulled bad stuff out, and stichted me up. I was in the hospital overnight. I had the surgery on a Thursday and I was riding around running errands with my wife a Sunday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRIMNURUK View Post
    Yep, everyone responds differently. I was Right L5-S1, MICROdiscectomy. (minor stuff I understand). Was in and out of hospital on same day. Took over two years to lose a significant amount of the pain. Three and a half years later, I'm still doing rehab and nowhere near 100 percent. I am really hoping that getting my hormones straightened around will let me finally heal.
    Mine was minor too. Never really had any pain. Sorry you are still having problems. Good luck, escpecially with the hormones. Mine are still a mess too. For the last two weeks I felt OK and today I am having anxiety. This sucks. Hopefully I will be calling Dr. John or Shippen soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRIMNURUK View Post
    Yep, everyone responds differently. I was Right L5-S1, MICROdiscectomy. (minor stuff I understand). Was in and out of hospital on same day. Took over two years to lose a significant amount of the pain. Three and a half years later, I'm still doing rehab and nowhere near 100 percent. I am really hoping that getting my hormones straightened around will let me finally heal.
    Are you any better than before the surgery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SufferingEd View Post
    Mine was minor too. Never really had any pain. Sorry you are still having problems. Good luck, escpecially with the hormones. Mine are still a mess too. For the last two weeks I felt OK and today I am having anxiety. This sucks. Hopefully I will be calling Dr. John or Shippen soon.
    Is it that you did not had any pain after surgery, yes?

    If you didn't had any pain before surgery would not make sense going under knife, unles there are other reasons.
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    Now I have a dillema.
    Starting this thread woked up search engine and one of the advertisers.
    University Spine Associates, PA - Princeton Spine Surgery

    University Spine Associates is a spine surgery practice which is designed to provide world class spinal care to patients in the greater Princeton area and throughout New Jersey.
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    So now either this outfit or
    HSS - Physician Referral Service
    Hospital for special surgeries.

    Now I have a choice, which one should I try.
    Guys in Princeton do only spine, possibly better choice.
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    JansZ, whats your GH level? Any GH treatment?

    I have read some absolutely amazing things about athletes using short term GH treament after surgery and having miraculous healing rates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plymouth city View Post
    JansZ, whats your GH level? Any GH treatment?

    I have read some absolutely amazing things about athletes using short term GH treament after surgery and having miraculous healing rates.
    How do you test for Growth Hormone?
    I have a cancer Liposarcoma, I think any direct GH supplementation would not be a good idea.
    On my April13/07 I have

    IGF Binding protein-3--- 4.5 mg/L (3.0-6.6)
    IGF-1---------------- 158 ng/mL (75-228)

    IGF-1 increased from
    5/5/06 IGF-1=100
    8/26/05 IGF-1=120

    I am guessing 1gram/day 100mg/1gram pregnenolone must have done it, not sure what else could have been.
    Before that I had deficiency in DHEA and pregnenolone.
    Unless I am running out of shape. I am somewhat afraid that I may have to exercise more, my resting heart beat is lately higher, around 70.
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    There is a thread on here in the GH/IGF-1 section about how to recover from damaged discs in that very region. Go have a read, it is well worth it. AVOID THE SURGERY AT ALL COSTS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76 View Post
    There is a thread on here in the GH/IGF-1 section about how to recover from damaged discs in that very region. Go have a read, it is well worth it. AVOID THE SURGERY AT ALL COSTS!
    Please post link.
    Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Please post link.
    Thank you.
    You're the one with the ****ed up back and you want me to work for you? What do you think I am, your ****ing slave you stupid goddamn moron? What the hell is wrong with you, here I am giving you valuable information and you go and tell me the platter isn't silver? Go hang yourself, ****head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76 View Post
    You're the one with the ****ed up back and you want me to work for you? What do you think I am, your ****ing slave you stupid goddamn moron? What the hell is wrong with you, here I am giving you valuable information and you go and tell me the platter isn't silver? Go hang yourself, ****head.
    You must be a Southern Gentlemen;
    thank you for your help,
    sorry if I offended you in any way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76 View Post
    You're the one with the ****ed up back and you want me to work for you? What do you think I am, your ****ing slave you stupid goddamn moron? What the hell is wrong with you, here I am giving you valuable information and you go and tell me the platter isn't silver? Go hang yourself, ****head.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    How do you test for Growth Hormone?
    I have a cancer Liposarcoma, I think any direct GH supplementation would not be a good idea.
    On my April13/07 I have

    IGF Binding protein-3--- 4.5 mg/L (3.0-6.6)
    IGF-1---------------- 158 ng/mL (75-228)

    IGF-1 increased from
    5/5/06 IGF-1=100
    8/26/05 IGF-1=120

    I am guessing 1gram/day 100mg/1gram pregnenolone must have done it, not sure what else could have been.
    Before that I had deficiency in DHEA and pregnenolone.
    Unless I am running out of shape. I am somewhat afraid that I may have to exercise more, my resting heart beat is lately higher, around 70.
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    Jansz,
    Im no cancer expert. Discuss with doctor.

    I would bet 10 -1 that a combination of pregnenolone cream and getting E levels in proper balance increased IGF-1. Pregnenolone is a building block for alot. E will blunt IGF-1 levels.

    Height/weight/BF%? That resting heart rate could definitely come down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76 View Post
    You're the one with the ****ed up back and you want me to work for you? What do you think I am, your ****ing slave you stupid goddamn moron? What the hell is wrong with you, here I am giving you valuable information and you go and tell me the platter isn't silver? Go hang yourself, ****head.
    Ok;
    I am in pain, so far my no-surgical choices are:

    Invertrac-Back pain relief

    Coutesy of Grunt76
    Herniated disks, GH, and IGF-1...

    And courtesy of Plymout City for helping with a link.
    It is nice to have a diversion here from time to time.
    Paid by Grunt76.
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    I had severely herniated discs at L4-L5 and L5-S1. After a ton of research went to Mt Sinai in NYC and met with Dr. Joshua Bedersen. He Did the micro diskectomy and after about three months I was fully recooped and could stand upright for the first time in yrs. I haven't had any pain since 2001 when it was done. I work an extremely physical job 7 days a week without any problem. In my case surgery was the only option so I'm glad it worked. I would try other options first if they are available to you. Also, sometimes the shots can leave enough scar tissue that makes some of the newer micro surguries not a good option, so discuss and research all options before deciding which one(s) to choose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zues View Post
    I had severely herniated discs at L4-L5 and L5-S1. After a ton of research went to Mt Sinai in NYC and met with Dr. Joshua Bedersen. He Did the micro diskectomy and after about three months I was fully recooped and could stand upright for the first time in yrs. I haven't had any pain since 2001 when it was done. I work an extremely physical job 7 days a week without any problem. In my case surgery was the only option so I'm glad it worked. I would try other options first if they are available to you. Also, sometimes the shots can leave enough scar tissue that makes some of the newer micro surguries not a good option, so discuss and research all options before deciding which one(s) to choose.
    Department of Neurosurgery - Mount Sinai School of Medicine

    There is a picture of a doctor under the link, tell me if this is the person you are talking about.
    Joshua B. Bederson, M.D.
    Professor, Neurosurgery

    E-mail: joshua.bederson@mountsinai.org
    Tel: (212) 241-2377
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    If that is him, do you think it would work, if I send him one page diagnosis I got with my MRI?

    Possibly I may need your real name (by PM) to show that I got referenced by satisfied patient.

    What kind of work you do?
    I did not had any shots in that area so possibly no scar tissues there.
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    Jansz, That is the right doctor. I can't say if he would/could do anything without you actually seeing him. I went to his office with my mri's and had a consultation. If you do need my name for a reference I'd be happy to help. I am a dairy farmer - 12hr to 20hr days, 7 days a week - lots of physical labor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zues View Post
    Jansz, That is the right doctor. I can't say if he would/could do anything without you actually seeing him. I went to his office with my mri's and had a consultation. If you do need my name for a reference I'd be happy to help. I am a dairy farmer - 12hr to 20hr days, 7 days a week - lots of physical labor.
    Thank you very much.
    I will take from here.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JanSz
    You must be a Southern Gentlemen;
    thank you for your help,
    sorry if I offended you in any way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John View Post
    Well done.
    While writting it I was not sure,
    after all by my reply I offended half of southern population.
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    Just wanted to say Thanks Dr John for the tip 'o the hat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zues View Post
    Just wanted to say Thanks Dr John for the tip 'o the hat.
    My parents had a little farm in Poland (1801's technology).
    What I am missing most is
    drinking a warm milk straight from the cow
    and
    drinking warm eggs straight from the chicken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JanSz
    You must be a Southern Gentlemen;
    thank you for your help,
    sorry if I offended you in any way.



    While writting it I was not sure,
    after all by my reply I offended half of southern population.
    I have read nearly all of your informative posts, and tried to add to your reputation several times. Unfortunately I've been told that I must spread more to others first. That could take a while. I’m selective.

    You get my “tip of the hat” for helping others. You certainly did not deserve that foul and disgusting response. I’m glad to see that “gentleman” banned. We don’t need his like around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colkurtz_spf View Post
    I have read nearly all of your informative posts, and tried to add to your reputation several times. Unfortunately I've been told that I must spread more to others first. That could take a while. I’m selective.

    You get my “tip of the hat” for helping others. You certainly did not deserve that foul and disgusting response. I’m glad to see that “gentleman” banned. We don’t need his like around here.
    Thank you for the tip of the hat.

    However I beg to differ with you on topic of banning.

    I already got excellent results using the exercise with a ball that Grunt76 recomended.

    He just happen to have had a bad moment, he is very smart fellow and we would miss a lot if he dissapear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Thank you for the tip of the hat.

    However I beg to differ with you on topic of banning.

    I already got excellent results using the exercise with a ball that Grunt76 recomended.

    He just happen to have had a bad moment, he is very smart fellow and we would miss a lot if he dissapear.
    That was a decent thing for you to say. I'm glad his advice has helped you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plymouth city View Post


    Jansz bends over backward to help others.

    Herniated disks, GH, and IGF-1...
    Sorry. My apologies to Jansz. I was having a bad moment and I did not have the link on hand, as they never are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76 View Post
    Sorry. My apologies to Jansz. I was having a bad moment and I did not have the link on hand, as they never are.
    This is the problem with this board it collects broken toys.
    Every body here have some kind of a monkey on his back.
    We have to remember that and make allowance for it.

    I am so glad to hear from you Grunt76.
    You have given me good advice.
    With this excercise I feel better than ever since June 06 when this whole thing started.
    Hopefully I will not need any surgery, or at least for a while.
    Thanks again.

    Edited June 12/07

    It is month latter, my back still holds, thanks Grunt76.
    If you read this, any additional excercise specific to back?
    I use deep lounges, but can do no more than about 20 steps.
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    JanSz I just was talking to my brother in low and his brother in law has a real bad back. The last thing the Dr.'s come up with to help him with his pain is called Rhizotomy the burn the nerve ends to stop the pain. Here is a link about it.
    http://www.steadyhealth.com/Cervical...re_t86185.html
    Have you or anyone heard of this and is it anygood please let me Know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    This is the problem with this board it collects broken toys.
    Every body here have some kind of a monkey on his back.
    We have to remember that and make allowance for it.

    I am so glad to hear from you Grunt76.
    You have given me good advice.
    With this excercise I feel better than ever since June 06 when this whole thing started.
    Hopefully I will not need any surgery, or at least for a while.
    Thanks again.

    Edited June 12/07

    It is month latter, my back still holds, thanks Grunt76.
    If you read this, any additional excercise specific to back?
    I use deep lounges, but can do no more than about 20 steps.
    Keep doing the stretch/hyperextension on the ball atop the bench, but add a dumbell between your feet. With some practice it is easy to hold one there, and 40lbs can feel pretty heavy. You want to get those erectors STRONG and at the same time put no pressure on your injury. This is your ticket bro.

    I'm glad I could help.
  

  
 

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