Spine surgery L3 -L5
- 05-10-2007, 09:33 AM
Spine surgery L3 -L5
Not long ago (month or so) one poor sucker mention his spine surgery and follow up life in the gym.
I cannot locate the post or his name.
Original poster please respond or somebody please help in locating this post.
I need to find out as much as I can about this type of surgery, my back hurts and I may need this type of help. One or two of my discks in that area are rather thin (not bulging).
- 05-10-2007, 10:07 AM
I'd be one of the poor suckers. Had lumbar microdiskectomy four years ago. I am atypical though, as had other (cervical and adrenal fatigue) issues start up after this and took/am taking a very long time to recover (still nowhere near fully recovered).
- 05-10-2007, 11:57 AM
I am 67yo. Since about 19yo I had back problems.
Last about 20 years chiropractic adjustment usually was succesfull for few monts sometime longer.
Last year I had MRI done and I see some of the discs are not as thick as one would imagine them to be when right.
There are no bulging discs.
I did not lost any height.
My chiropractor is adjusting me weekly now also he have a gym and one hour/week I am lifting weights per his design.
He advices me to stay out of having any surgeries,
but the pain and discomfort is growing old on me.
So I am gathering information.
Problem with asking doctors for advice is that the question should be posed to the right person.
Whe asking surgeon he most likely would advice surgery.
I had a number of surgeries, the past choices were rather clear and I do not regret any of my surgeries.
Actualy my last, left arm, rotator cuf, I wish the surgeon was more proactive and I had surgery 9 months earlier.
What would you say?
05-10-2007, 12:12 PM
Cripe, your 67 and have no disc bulging or height loss? I was 32 when mine "went" and I've got bulging discs and my discs look like a thin sliver on the MRIs. You must have great "back" genes.
I agree that surgery is the last option, especially since long term it seems that pain reduction is similar for surgery vs no surgery. Mine really debilitated me beyond what it should have and I don't expect to ever be doing heavy lifting, full contact martial arts or firefighting again. Have you had any luck with injections? I didn't but I think they got the wrong nerve.
05-10-2007, 12:19 PM
There are days when I am not straight, I lean somewhat to the left.
I am not sure if that is due to muscle spasms or disc or vertebra being thiner on a left side.
Where have you had surgery, what city?
How did you located proper doctor?
05-10-2007, 12:29 PM
05-10-2007, 12:45 PM
Hospital for Special Surgery
Like I said before, I assume when I go in there they will find a type surgery for me. But they do not necessarly will advice if that surgery makes sense, this is more like individual decission.
If I could see crooked people going in and straight going out, that would help.
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05-11-2007, 11:51 AM
Now I have a dillema.
Starting this thread woked up search engine and one of the advertisers.
University Spine Associates, PA - Princeton Spine Surgery
University Spine Associates is a spine surgery practice which is designed to provide world class spinal care to patients in the greater Princeton area and throughout New Jersey.
So now either this outfit or
HSS - Physician Referral Service
Hospital for special surgeries.
Now I have a choice, which one should I try.
Guys in Princeton do only spine, possibly better choice.
05-11-2007, 12:17 PM
JansZ, whats your GH level? Any GH treatment?
I have read some absolutely amazing things about athletes using short term GH treament after surgery and having miraculous healing rates.
05-11-2007, 01:19 PM
I have a cancer Liposarcoma, I think any direct GH supplementation would not be a good idea.
On my April13/07 I have
IGF Binding protein-3--- 4.5 mg/L (3.0-6.6)
IGF-1---------------- 158 ng/mL (75-228)
IGF-1 increased from
I am guessing 1gram/day 100mg/1gram pregnenolone must have done it, not sure what else could have been.
Before that I had deficiency in DHEA and pregnenolone.
Unless I am running out of shape. I am somewhat afraid that I may have to exercise more, my resting heart beat is lately higher, around 70.
05-11-2007, 01:22 PM
There is a thread on here in the GH/IGF-1 section about how to recover from damaged discs in that very region. Go have a read, it is well worth it. AVOID THE SURGERY AT ALL COSTS!
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05-11-2007, 03:42 PM
Im no cancer expert. Discuss with doctor.
I would bet 10 -1 that a combination of pregnenolone cream and getting E levels in proper balance increased IGF-1. Pregnenolone is a building block for alot. E will blunt IGF-1 levels.
Height/weight/BF%? That resting heart rate could definitely come down.
05-11-2007, 03:48 PM
I am in pain, so far my no-surgical choices are:
Invertrac-Back pain relief
Coutesy of Grunt76
Herniated disks, GH, and IGF-1...
And courtesy of Plymout City for helping with a link.
It is nice to have a diversion here from time to time.
Paid by Grunt76.
Going to see my guru tonight, Luca Barrichi.
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05-11-2007, 04:44 PM
I had severely herniated discs at L4-L5 and L5-S1. After a ton of research went to Mt Sinai in NYC and met with Dr. Joshua Bedersen. He Did the micro diskectomy and after about three months I was fully recooped and could stand upright for the first time in yrs. I haven't had any pain since 2001 when it was done. I work an extremely physical job 7 days a week without any problem. In my case surgery was the only option so I'm glad it worked. I would try other options first if they are available to you. Also, sometimes the shots can leave enough scar tissue that makes some of the newer micro surguries not a good option, so discuss and research all options before deciding which one(s) to choose.
05-11-2007, 06:11 PM
Department of Neurosurgery - Mount Sinai School of Medicine
There is a picture of a doctor under the link, tell me if this is the person you are talking about.
Joshua B. Bederson, M.D.
Tel: (212) 241-2377
If that is him, do you think it would work, if I send him one page diagnosis I got with my MRI?
Possibly I may need your real name (by PM) to show that I got referenced by satisfied patient.
What kind of work you do?
I did not had any shots in that area so possibly no scar tissues there.
05-11-2007, 06:41 PM
Jansz, That is the right doctor. I can't say if he would/could do anything without you actually seeing him. I went to his office with my mri's and had a consultation. If you do need my name for a reference I'd be happy to help. I am a dairy farmer - 12hr to 20hr days, 7 days a week - lots of physical labor.
05-12-2007, 12:35 AM
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05-14-2007, 01:30 AM
Just wanted to say Thanks Dr John for the tip 'o the hat.
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05-14-2007, 01:21 PM
You get my “tip of the hat” for helping others. You certainly did not deserve that foul and disgusting response. I’m glad to see that “gentleman” banned. We don’t need his like around here.
05-14-2007, 06:21 PM
However I beg to differ with you on topic of banning.
I already got excellent results using the exercise with a ball that Grunt76 recomended.
He just happen to have had a bad moment, he is very smart fellow and we would miss a lot if he dissapear.
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05-15-2007, 11:33 AM
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05-15-2007, 11:39 PM
05-15-2007, 11:48 PM
Every body here have some kind of a monkey on his back.
We have to remember that and make allowance for it.
I am so glad to hear from you Grunt76.
You have given me good advice.
With this excercise I feel better than ever since June 06 when this whole thing started.
Hopefully I will not need any surgery, or at least for a while.
Edited June 12/07
It is month latter, my back still holds, thanks Grunt76.
If you read this, any additional excercise specific to back?
I use deep lounges, but can do no more than about 20 steps.
06-12-2007, 01:15 PM
JanSz I just was talking to my brother in low and his brother in law has a real bad back. The last thing the Dr.'s come up with to help him with his pain is called Rhizotomy the burn the nerve ends to stop the pain. Here is a link about it.
Have you or anyone heard of this and is it anygood please let me Know.
06-12-2007, 03:25 PM
I'm glad I could help.
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