What can I take for size that won't upset Dr J?

[bobbyn]

hey guys,

i may be out of line posting this here. if so please accept my apoligy and advise were to move it. i'm not talking about steriods but something over the counter that won't upset my anti aging protocol. i normally take some m1t over summer...not alot, 1 a day for a week or two..then a few weeks off ect. i promised dr john i wouldn't use the m1t.

is anything else not as strong that would give me a bit of an edge. and wouldn't upset my antiaging protocal? i wana stay healthy but am lacking a little eof my summer size


thanks much
bob

[ItsHectic]

Well I guess the idea is to not change the lab results or give you gyno, but naturally anything that helps you put on muscle is going to raise your GH I would imagine. ZMA is one idea but that wont give you a real edge. Anabolic pump will raise your GH and change glucose insulin results and possibly other things. Your getting tested every 6 months, so maybe hit anabolic pump after a 6 month test so the next one is accurate still, but I would ask Dr. John 1st.

[Jayhawkk]

Protein powder, creatine, BCAA's? I doubt the doc will tell you what to gain for size even if not illegal. He's a Anti aging doc and since he has to be careful with today's media frenzy with just appearing to be a educated pusher of steroids etc.

I'm leaving this open and keeping it here for the time being although I think it should be moved to the 30+ section or some other section. You lack of size could be nutrition or training related. I just don't think it's appropriate for this forum...Dr. J can make the final say though.

[bobbyn]

i've already got my protien intake jacked up and am eating alot...i look good but not as full as the last few summers while using m1t...i also have some t-bomb and tribex left over but don't know if it's in the same class as the m1t. thanks for leaving the thread here for now. doc....i'm i out of line here?

[hardasnails1973]

hey guys,

i may be out of line posting this here. if so please accept my apoligy and advise were to move it. i'm not talking about steriods but something over the counter that won't upset my anti aging protocol. i normally take some m1t over summer...not alot, 1 a day for a week or two..then a few weeks off ect. i promised dr john i wouldn't use the m1t.

is anything else not as strong that would give me a bit of an edge. and wouldn't upset my antiaging protocal? i wana stay healthy but am lacking a little eof my summer size


thanks much
bob

EAT MORE AND DIGESTIVE ENZYMES !! NEVER REPLACE A FOOD MEAL WITH SUPPLEMET TOO MANY PEOPLE JUST GET LAZY AND RELY ON SUPPLEMETS TOO MUCH..THEY ARE ONLY SUPPLEMETS !!

[ItsHectic]

He wants something that will give him an edge that isnt harmfull or illegal, I would assume he has his diet down. ZMA, digestive enzymes etc dont give you an edge, they make the diffrence in the long run. He is wanting something to substitute m1t. I think anabolic pump is the answer.

[hardasnails1973]

ANYTHING you take that affects your hormones will upset your Anti-Aging Medicine therapy. And...um....me. lol

I sure do hear good things about BCAA's lately.

i do 20 grams bcaas and 20 grams glutemine a day NO2 shot gun is good but people with adrenal problems/herpes be cautious about NO shot gun or any NO2 it can lower adrenal out put and altere methylation of the liver. excessive no2 causes dysruptions in methionne synthase pathway for liver detoxifiaction. NO2 anatgomnist to cortisol

[bobbyn]

thanks for the replys guys....that m1t just had me spoiled....ok doc i hear ya loud and clear. bcaas? would tgat be the same as amino fuel 2000? if not please give me a product name.

thanks
bob

[plymouth city]

NO2 sucks.

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And quality with them is a no brainer. Best BCAA's in the biz, and I'll put my money to that with anyone. Go get your BCAA's.

While your there, might as well, grab ZMA as its dirt cheap at 9 bucks, 5 pound tub of whey for only 30, grab some fish oil and resveratrol as well if you got the dough, free ship/handling when over $150.

Sorry if I sound like a rep for the company [YOU DO], but I can't speak highly enough of them, and I would like to see everyone here getting quality products

[hardasnails1973]

I also worry about NO products producing superoxide, and worse, peroxynitrite radicals. However, I enjoy them greatly. So, I use them sparingly, as in on leg days.

I use Nick Delgado's "Power 'N Speed" product.

BTW, you MUST take carbs when using these products, as they otherwise will induce very uncomfortable hypoglycemia.

Yes that was the point i was getting it does increase superoxide dismutase which is a nasty free radical (probably half the people have no clue what we are talking about) if you take NO2 you might want to take extra lysine to balance it out. I told my freind on valtrex not to take no2 and he did not listen and eneded up in bed for 5 days ..He said next time he will take my advise more seriously LOL. i took No shot gun by VPX but I swear it may may body eat up cortisol like crazy after stopping it for 2 weeks i felt like night and day ..HMMM my gluthione levels were fine three months ago last time I check RBC it was in the crapper? Only thing i added in supplement progaram was NO2 could there be a link?

[plymouth city]

Where are you getting the best price for Biotest products?

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[SoMdHunter]

I also worry about NO products producing superoxide, and worse, peroxynitrite radicals. However, I enjoy them greatly. So, I use them sparingly, as in on leg days.

I use Nick Delgado's "Power 'N Speed" product.

BTW, you MUST take carbs when using these products, as they otherwise will induce very uncomfortable hypoglycemia.

Naturally there are lots of things I don't know, but I never even considered you lifting weights. That is cool! It'll help you relate to my predicament when I see ya in June.

[BigTom]

hey guys,

i may be out of line posting this here. if so please accept my apoligy and advise were to move it. i'm not talking about steriods but something over the counter that won't upset my anti aging protocol. i normally take some m1t over summer...not alot, 1 a day for a week or two..then a few weeks off ect. i promised dr john i wouldn't use the m1t.

is anything else not as strong that would give me a bit of an edge. and wouldn't upset my antiaging protocal? i wana stay healthy but am lacking a little eof my summer size


thanks much
bob

What? Are you 13 years old? If you want to toss in some gear... do it. You don't need anyones permission. You know where Dr. J stands.
M1T is toxic as hell. Run some low dose Test.

[Jayhawkk]

Remember what sub-forum we're in folks. Discussion of Anti aging and such. If you wish to find out where to run a steroid cycle there is a forum for it.

[ItsHectic]

What? Are you 13 years old? If you want to toss in some gear... do it. You don't need anyones permission. You know where Dr. J stands.
M1T is toxic as hell. Run some low dose Test.

Your post isnt very logical, Dr. John has many good reasons for his guys to not use steroids so even if he wanted to he cant, this is why he is asking what else he can take, you must think its more simple than it is, but its not.

[bobbyn]

hey big tom,

whats the 13 yr old have to do with it? i'm looking for advice not sarcasim....you wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

i'm already doing some 5% test gel....

bob

What? Are you 13 years old? If you want to toss in some gear... do it. You don't need anyones permission. You know where Dr. J stands.
M1T is toxic as hell. Run some low dose Test.

[Jayhawkk]

Tom, you can make points without being a prick about it. Please remember that for future posts where you want to reply to something.

[BillfromNJ]

ANYTHING you take that affects your hormones will upset your Anti-Aging Medicine therapy. And...um....me. lol

I sure do hear good things about BCAA's lately.

Any paticular brand you are hearing positive feedback on?

[bobbyn]

bump on the brand

[BigTom]

I think I hit a nerve.... The gentleman asked a question....
This is an open forum, and I gave my opinion.
I wasn't being sarcastic.

The secret to getting big is diet and heavy lifting. Serious bodybuilders know that.

ANY other "substance" will only account for 10-25% of the total equation in lean muscle mass.

Just trying to school ya, kid. Be your own man. I'm out.