New Bloodwork May 04
- 05-04-2007, 03:10 PM
New Bloodwork May 04
I am currently on 100iu HCG ED, .75ml of 50mg/ml of t-gel a day. Plus 35mg of HC, 1 grain armour (having trouble raising it). 50mg oral pregnenolone, 25 mg dhea 2x daily. 100mg DIM plus morning and dinner.
Testosterone Serum 417 241-827
Estradiol (e2) 10 0-53
Free Testosterone 11.1 9.3-26.5
Albumin 5.1 3.5-5.5
SHBG 27 13-71
Free T4 .98 .61-1.76
Free T3 2.5 2.3-4.2
Reverse T3 192 90-350
TSH 1.086 .350-5.500
Urine Osmolality 668 24h 300-900
ALT (SGPT) 41 0-55
- 05-04-2007, 03:18 PM
Dht, dhea, might want to be checked
e2 is way too low compared to shbg
are you using DIM based onlab results or just shot in the dark?
might want to look into possible iodine its helping alot of people with problems adjusting to thryoid medication
35 mgs cortisol is a little high this might cause adrenal suppression over time ..you might be getting hypo symptoms and need more armour and with that dosages of HC you should be able to handle increaess nicely
05-04-2007, 04:15 PM
All tests were done 45 minutes after application. Cant remember if i had taken the 25mg dhea yet or not. Tests were done at 830AM
05-04-2007, 04:31 PM
05-04-2007, 06:52 PM
dont eat any fish at the moment. love it and would eat it often but besides the summer months and eating out, I get by with carlson's liquid fish oil. I HEAVILY salt everything. every meal, also 1/2tsp am and 5pm.
WHy would my e2 drop from 23 to 10 in 4 weeks? I thought dim didnt supposedly effect e2? what else would? and why would my test DROP (a bit...100 points or so) from slightly INCREASING my t-gel dose?
05-04-2007, 07:25 PM
05-04-2007, 09:17 PM
05-04-2007, 09:57 PM
05-05-2007, 07:00 PM
Anyone? I thought I would post my old results for comparison. ALso, why would my total and free test DROP while slightly increasing my t-gel dose (from .6ml to .8ml or so).
And why would the e2 drop so much? DIM, DIM or betaine anhydrous?
I thought I would post the old results to compare:
Estradiol 21 (0-53) Looks good?
Testosterone Serum 584 241-827
Albumin, Serum 5.0 3.5-5.5
SHBG Serum 23 13-71
TSH 1.738 .350-5.500
T4 5.4 4.5-12
t3 uptake 37 24-39
Free thyroxine index 2.0 1.2-4.9
Free t3 (about 1.5 weeks later) 2.3
Ive fluctuated my armour levels from .5grains up to 1.25 grains but never been able to hold at 1 grain or more for long. i am finally there now.
05-06-2007, 11:08 AM
DIM DOES NOT ALTER E2, but it will clog up liver if there are not methyl groups and possible cause due to lack of blood flow from sluggish liver Some people taking time may need 1000 mgs TMG BID or even more depends on how depleted there supply is
05-06-2007, 12:26 PM
FAQs about Diindolylmethane
I have seen E2 come down on some good DIM in less then a week. Do you get morning wood or did you at a point in time on the DIM. Most get this back when starting DIM and getting there E2 down in the right zone. Some take to much and miss the zone and just go to low.
I stopped putting on the gels before a blood test after spikiing my tests 3 different times. You don't want to take Armour or DHEA before a blood test it will show high.
05-06-2007, 01:06 PM
It helps conversion of 2-OH Estradiol(good) and 16a-OH Estrone (bad). Less of bad (Estrone), if anything more of estradiol.
Lately I eat tons of DIM (and I3C+cruciferous concentrate+reveratol+TMG).
My Total Estrogens fall from extremely high to within range, same with Estrone.
My Estradiol (E2) stay put at 27, it did not budge even one digit.
My sex situation improved (but still lot of room for improvement).
I suspect that taking DIM (Indolplex and similar) alone is not a good thing.
Note, do not believe that men do not need to test Total Estrogens because it is always high and nothing can be done about it.
05-06-2007, 02:05 PM
I have always taken TMG and Sam-e with my DIM. I take 100mg DIM at morning and dinner. 500-1g of tmg same time. I do sam-e 200mg first thing am and pre-dinner.
How is it my e2 has fallen so much? I do not get morning wood or wood at all anymore....except sometimes spontaneously at bedtime (10pm). Feels very similar to morning wood as no real arousal.
Can anyone explain whats going on here? Dr. John? I know i need to increase thyroid, but its so hard just to keep it even at 1 grain now without my adrenals getting blown out. 2 out of the last 3 days ive woken up at 4-5AM. normally I get up at 8am. When I awake, my temp is 96.7ish (at the 4-5am mark). normally i awake and its around 97.5. Will rise to around 98.0 during the day. Also, would some jaw and face tightness signal anything with the thyroid? what about this damn facial flush that is always worse when i feel BAD? i feel like i need to raise cortef again...but im already at 35mg
05-06-2007, 03:26 PM
05-08-2007, 12:52 PM
Bump for Dr. John.
Anyone else too on the bloodwork?
I think the reason the test dropped (maybe e2 as well) is because of switching from Novarel to APP HCG. NEver again.
05-08-2007, 05:32 PM
Perhaps that DIM is too much for you. Your total T is low, so there isn't as much to aromatize to estrogen as would be the case for someone with twice you levels. So, you don't need so much DIM to convert E2 to other estrogens. Remember DIM does not reduce conversion of T to E, it helps the liver to convert E2 to other stuff, along with the TMG.
I'd cut back on the DIM and ask your doctor about increasing the HCG.
05-11-2007, 02:56 PM
Still, is DIM the right thing to be on once things normalize? or is it only if my e2 starts creeping up?
06-09-2007, 04:09 PM
I highly recommend that you try to find a good doctor that knows what he is doing.
I only know of the following doctors that I would recommend:
Dr. John – Michigan
Dr. Marianco – Northern California
Dr. Philip Miller – Northern California
06-10-2007, 08:44 PM
thanks for the comments. like i said in the other post....i STILL have low blood pressure and STILL have low pulse and lightheadness until I increased to much higher than 20mg of cortef. It was just too little...all the docs agreed to that.
im now off the tgel and trying 250mg of hcg daily but i dont think thats really helping. i think i need to go back to tgel or switch to shots, but I dont get bloodwork for another week.
I still have all the hypothyroid signs....low temp, constipation, depression, and lack of energy...but even on the high cortef dose I still am very tired in the mornings.
06-11-2007, 09:14 AM
06-11-2007, 05:51 PM
hmm...intersting. My doc has not checked aldosterone or renin although he has me on florinef .1mg which seems to have helped some things. Although other conditions remain, some have gotten better.
What do you mean though by the cortisol increasing the need for more thyroid? im not too familiar with what your suggesting. are you saying that having ENOUGH cortisol will use up thyroid faster? Think i hvae to raise it above 3 grains?
06-15-2007, 03:39 PM
What Hardasnails is saying is you need cortisol to carry the thyroid hormone from the blood into the cells. If you have Adrenal Fatigue and treat it with Cortisol or Cortef. Then you can start upping your dose of Armour say 15mgs every 2 weeks up to 3 grains then you need to hold at this for about 6 to 8 weeks. Like 1cc said you on a lot of HC 35 mgs a day if your not feeling better at this high a dose and your on florinef try switching your HC to medrol, read this thread.
Here is a good link to read.
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