Lab Results after 1 month on Androgel

[Rausch]

Hey guys - after being on 5grams/day of Androgel for one month here are my results:

Total Test: 434 on scale of 300-900 (up from 143)
Free Test: 18.97 on scale of 8-27 (up from 7)

So I guess the Androgel has been successful, but I still don't feel 100%. 434 is still quite low for a 24 yr old anyway, I think. The doc says I'm in normal range and refuses to up my dose to 7.5 or even 10 grams, despite how I feel. Also, as I mentioned in a previous thread, since I sweat so much throughout the day, I might be sabotaging myself. Either way I'd rather increase the dose, but she won't budge.

Should I expect my blood levels to rise anymore over time or are they stabilized at 1 month?

I guess this goes back to me finding another endo or another doctor...which frankly, between my work and home responsibilities, is quite hard to do...

What do you guys think?

[plymouth city]

E2?

[Rausch]

E2?

She didn't want to test anything aside from free and total test. She didn't feel anything else was necessary. So this test is null and void without E2?

[plymouth city]

She didn't want to test anything aside from free and total test. She didn't feel anything else was necessary. So this test is null and void without E2?

[plymouth city]

Run from this doctor. Run run run.

She is clueless.

Where are you located?

[Rausch]

Run from this doctor. Run run run.

She is clueless.

Where are you located?

I am in Raleigh/Durham, NC...if you can help me find a doctor that will actually listen to me and understand my situation I will found a religion in your honor.

[fit4life05]

I am in Raleigh/Durham, NC...if you can help me find a doctor that will actually listen to me and understand my situation I will found a religion in your honor.

Make a trip up to Dr John. It's sounds like a hassle, but in the long run it really is the best way to go...

You only need to see him once...after that you can consult with him over the phone

[plymouth city]

I am in Raleigh/Durham, NC...if you can help me find a doctor that will actually listen to me and understand my situation I will found a religion in your honor.

Bro, can you actually give me a challenge?

Take your Pic. Do your research on them first.

The World Health Network - Anti-Aging and Longevity

The World Health Network - Anti-Aging and Longevity

Got these two from here - The World Health Network - Anti-Aging and Longevity

I checked them out a little. From what I read they seem to know a few things. Not Dr John, But you will be much better off than were your at now.

[biker340]

Raush,

I have been on the same Androgel doseage as you for the past 4 months..

What you will notice soon if not already that your nut sack will start to get tucked up close to your body. Like jumping into a cold pool. This will mean that that your LH and FSH are suppressed, have them checked. I did and found that they were below normal due to the Androgel shutting down your system. You'll go back to your doctor and you'll ask him/her if they can put you on HCG, per Dr. John's recommendations. Then your doctor will freak and say no because most doctors are clueless beyond giving out Androgel..

Right now I am with an Urologist who is trying to get the LH and FSH numbers up..

[Rausch]

Raush,

I have been on the same Androgel doseage as you for the past 4 months..

What you will notice soon if not already that your nut sack will start to get tucked up close to your body. Like jumping into a cold pool. This will mean that that your LH and FSH are suppressed, have them checked. I did and found that they were below normal due to the Androgel shutting down your system. You'll go back to your doctor and you'll ask him/her if they can put you on HCG, per Dr. John's recommendations. Then your doctor will freak and say no because most doctors are clueless beyond giving out Androgel..

Right now I am with an Urologist who is trying to get the LH and FSH numbers up..

My LH and FSH were suppressed pre-TRT...

[Rausch]

Bro, can you actually give me a challenge?

Take your Pic. Do your research on them first.

The World Health Network - Anti-Aging and Longevity

The World Health Network - Anti-Aging and Longevity

Got these two from here - The World Health Network - Anti-Aging and Longevity

I checked them out a little. From what I read they seem to know a few things. Not Dr John, But you will be much better off than were your at now.

Unfortunately those locations are in Charlotte, which is a 3 hour drive for me. I guess I'll ask my GP if she knows another endo.

[JanSz]

Hey guys - after being on 5grams/day of Androgel for one month here are my results:

Total Test: 434 on scale of 300-900 (up from 143)
Free Test: 18.97 on scale of 8-27 (up from 7)

So I guess the Androgel has been successful, but I still don't feel 100%. 434 is still quite low for a 24 yr old anyway, I think. The doc says I'm in normal range and refuses to up my dose to 7.5 or even 10 grams, despite how I feel. Also, as I mentioned in a previous thread, since I sweat so much throughout the day, I might be sabotaging myself. Either way I'd rather increase the dose, but she won't budge.

Should I expect my blood levels to rise anymore over time or are they stabilized at 1 month?

I guess this goes back to me finding another endo or another doctor...which frankly, between my work and home responsibilities, is quite hard to do...

What do you guys think?

This is first month.
Your testis are probably still working, some.
Expect your TotalT to get down some.
You need at least 7.5gram Androgel and 250IU HCG/day
Try to switch to a Tcream.
The more dense the better. I use 10%, 100mg/1gram.
You could put it on you calfs, they are not sweating that much.
My best on 5gram Androgel was 664.
Make sure you are not spilling anything, do it slowly and in very small amounts, do not wash you hands (and do not touch women and children).

[plymouth city]

Unfortunately those locations are in Charlotte, which is a 3 hour drive for me. I guess I'll ask my GP if she knows another endo.

You must be suffering from low T if ya can't drive 3 hours to see a specialist!

Its only 3 hours. Drive it! No problem. People drive from out of state to go see specialists. Im sure Dr J can attest to that. I drive to chicago, 4 hours away, for the fun of it.

Muster up what T you got left and do it

[Rausch]

You must be suffering from low T if ya can't drive 3 hours to see a specialist!

Its only 3 hours. Drive it! No problem. People drive from out of state to go see specialists. Im sure Dr J can attest to that. I drive to chicago, 4 hours away, for the fun of it.

Muster up what T you got left and do it

I appreciate your enthusiasm, and your assistance, but it's just not realistic. I have a job and a very tight budget. I already got another referral from my GP, so I;ll see how that goes I guess.

My fear is that 90% of the specialists out there are idiots about this stuff and there is only that 10% that Dr. John falls into that really understand male hormones...

[plymouth city]

I appreciate your enthusiasm, and your assistance, but it's just not realistic. I have a job and a very tight budget. I already got another referral from my GP, so I;ll see how that goes I guess.

My fear is that 90% of the specialists out there are idiots about this stuff and there is only that 10% that Dr. John falls into that really understand male hormones...

More like 1 percent, LOL.

Anyways, if I can help feel free to ask away.

[ItsHectic]

if you can help me find a doctor that will actually listen to me and understand my situation I will found a religion in your honor.

LOL, I am making a mental note of that one.

Just curious how your applying your gel? I have heard people suggest not to rub it in too much, well I tested at 760ng/dl on testogel, and the way I apply it is I take out about 2g rub it around on one arm in a circular motion and before it starts getting sticky i wipe the excess to my traps and start rubbing it in there, then repeat for the other side, then take out about 1/2 gram for each flank and do the same, rubbing it in, in a circular motion. During the 1st month I noticed the less I rubbed it in the more frosting I got.

[wildfox]

I appreciate your circumstances, but your doctor is ignorant. Perhaps you can find another doctor who contracts with your insurance who is willing to read Dr. John's TRT-A Recipe for Success. I believe he will work on a consult basis with your primary doctor. She obviously has a lot to learn.

Your T is "normal" but not optimal." You need to know what your E2 and other values are because hormones work together in a context. They do not work in isolation. Your doc probably got a C+ in physiology. What a shame.

What you can do is read Dr. John's literature at AllThingsMale.com and scour the archives here.

We can give you info, but sadly we can't prescribe better treatment for you.

[fit4life05]

50% of doctors graduated at the bottom half of their class

[ItsHectic]

I dont think doctors' inteligence or exam marks is the issue, its there attitude, very unimaginative and conservative by the book dont ask questions type of people, which I guess is what the professors want, and the type of minds you get, to be a doctor you need to retain HUGE amounts of infomation and be able to recall it, so imagination and creativity must be the tradeoff.

[plymouth city]

50% of doctors graduated at the bottom half of their class

What do they call the guy who graduated last in his class at Med school?

A doctor.