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    Unhappy 25yrs old with screwed up hormones HELP


    OK here's the deal, went to the doctor because I didn't feel right and it turns out that pending final blood work and saliva testing my adrenals, thyroid and testes are not right.

    My thyroid levels came back with a TSH 2.31 , Free T4 1.4 ng/dL, Free T3 348 pg/dL

    Waiting on the 24hr saliva test for adrenals but symptoms lead doc to believe that adrenals are shot

    My Total Test is 400 ng/dL and Free Test 100 pg/mL, 2.5% Free Test


    I am not and have not taken steroids and have not injured my testicles so I don't know whats up.

    Bottom line how much of an effect on my test level does my adrenal and thyroid have?

    Meaning if I get my adrenals and thyroid straightened out will my test rebound??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ50 View Post
    OK here's the deal, went to the doctor because I didn't feel right and it turns out that pending final blood work and saliva testing my adrenals, thyroid and testes are not right.

    My thyroid levels came back with a TSH 2.31 , Free T4 1.4 ng/dL, Free T3 348 pg/dL

    Waiting on the 24hr saliva test for adrenals but symptoms lead doc to believe that adrenals are shot

    My Total Test is 400 ng/dL and Free Test 100 pg/mL, 2.5% Free Test


    I am not and have not taken steroids and have not injured my testicles so I don't know whats up.

    Bottom line how much of an effect on my test level does my adrenal and thyroid have?

    Meaning if I get my adrenals and thyroid straightened out will my test rebound??
    Your FreeT3=348pg/dL i assume range (230-430)
    could be improved up to say 380
    but it is quite ok at this level. It is not your primary problem.

    I often post (long) blood test that I do yearly,
    I you want I can post it again.
    I suggest not starting any medications (specially testosterone) until you have extensive testing done.
    Be insistent on exchaustive tests as doctors mostly do that on piece meal basis so as to increase their income and patients agony.
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    You are too young to start on testosterone unless you REALLY need it.


    Get the right tests and see what is going on before you shut yourself down and imperil fertility. Spend as much time as you need researching and find a Dr. willing to do more than just prescribe Androgel.
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    Here is a good link about Adrenals.
    Adrenal Glands
    I am and have been in the same boat as you. Do not go on TRT until you find out if your Secondary or Primary. At a level of 400 you need to also test E2. If your Adrenals are bad and you treat them first then add some Armour when you get stable your Testosterone levels can go back up.
    Here is a cut and past of a post to a guy on how I got started treating this. O well the site is down I will come back when it's up if I don't remind me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Champ50 View Post
    OK here's the deal, went to the doctor because I didn't feel right and it turns out that pending final blood work and saliva testing my adrenals, thyroid and testes are not right.

    My thyroid levels came back with a TSH 2.31 , Free T4 1.4 ng/dL, Free T3 348 pg/dL

    Waiting on the 24hr saliva test for adrenals but symptoms lead doc to believe that adrenals are shot

    My Total Test is 400 ng/dL and Free Test 100 pg/mL, 2.5% Free Test


    I am not and have not taken steroids and have not injured my testicles so I don't know whats up.

    Bottom line how much of an effect on my test level does my adrenal and thyroid have?

    Meaning if I get my adrenals and thyroid straightened out will my test rebound??
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    Here is the cut and paste on how I treated my low cortisol and thyroid levels.
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    Bill sorry to hear you have this problem your cortisol is lower then my first test I was 8. The ACTH Stim test will show if it's you Adrenals or your Pituitary not sending the message ACTH to your Adrenals to make Cortisol. Here is a link to Chris's Explaination of the ACTH test you need to read this I have seen posts where Dr.'s did it wrong. You need to be sure you understand about this test and how to read it.
    Stop The Thyroid Madness :: View topic - My explaination of the ACTH stimulation test.

    Most people find out they have low cortisol because they have a low Thyroid Problem one needs cortisol to carry the thyroid hormone from the blood to the cells. If there cortisol is low do to Adrenal Fatigue there is not enough cortisol to do this and as they up there meds they start to feel hyper because the hormone is going to high in the blood and not being carried to the cells. One big cause of Adrenal Fatigue is a low Thyroid the Adrenals work over time to bring up levels of thyroid and become fatigued.

    Now we are finding a lot of men with low T had Adrenal Fatigue do to the stress of low T be it from the fatigue of low T or the high Estradiol. But it's dam odd that as men hear about this and are not feeling 100% on TRT that after a blood test there cortisol levels are low.

    The first thing I did was to try and figure out what stage of Adrenal Fatigue I was at and it looked like stage 3.
    Large Selye Chart

    Then I went to this site and printed out a chart for tracking your body's temps. I would take it under my arm before getting out of bed for 10 min.'s if it is under 97.8 you have a thyroid problem my temps that I did were for 4 morning and then I did an avg. it was 95.8.
    Temperature Patterns of low adrenal and thyroid function
    Using this to take my temps it is also sold at Wall-Greens and Wal-mart.
    Thermometer

    Then after I was up for 3 hrs I took my temp every 3 hrs 3 to 4 times a day and did an avg. My avg. was low between 96.8 to 97.6 and each day was up or down this is Adrenal Fatigue.

    I then ordered a Saliva Test through this link.
    Stop The Thyroid Madness Those durn Adrenals!!
    From the Canary Club for about $140.00 this is the best way to test cortisol levels and DHEA.

    Then I bought the book "Adrenal Fatigue The 21st. Century by Wilson. This book was a big help in understanding this problem but doing what he said to treat it with stuff like this did nothing to my temp chart. It has this in it Pituitary Extract (Freeze-Dried) 120 mg
    Adrenal Cortex Extract 33 mg and cortisol but you have no idea how much.
    20% Off PhytoPharmica End Fatigue Adrenal Stress-End, formerly known as Adrenal Soluble Fractions,50 capsules, PhytoPharmica - PhytoPharmica Energy 20% Off
    Also he said to do B Vit.s.
    20% Off PhytoPharmica End Fatigue Daily Energy B Complex, 30 capsules, PhytoPharmica - PhytoPharmica Energy 20% Off
    Vit. C
    Solaray Super Bio C - Buffered, 1000 mg., 360 capsules, Solaray - Solaray C Vitamins 50% Off
    Everyone with low Cortisol has low DHEA I take this 2 a day.
    PhytoPharmica DHEA-25, 60 caps, PhytoPharmica - PhytoPharmica Immune System 25% Off
    I take 3 grams of a good brand of Fish OIL. I buy mine at Coscos (spelling) I get the one that is coated so you don't burp it up.
    And there is Maca this helps keep your Adrenal hormones leveled. I was off this for 30 days and just went back on it I feel better on this. I do 1/2 tsp 2 x's a day. This is the best price and product on he web.
    http://www.macaweb.com/view.cfm/hurl...aw-Maca-Powder

    I dropped the Adrenal cortex
    20% Off PhytoPharmica End Fatigue Adrenal Stress-End, formerly known as Adrenal Soluble Fractions,50 capsules, PhytoPharmica - PhytoPharmica Energy 20% Off
    It did nothing.

    I got some Isocort and started on it it is made from sheep adrenal's and wow the first pill made me feel good you need to start this slow. I did 4 pills = 10mgs. of cortisol first thing in the morning with food and 2 pills = 5mgs. of cortisol at noon and dinner. This changed my chart my temps come up to 98.4 to 99 but still up and down if your avg. is up or down from day to day more then .2 tenths your cortisol is still to low. I followed this to get started.
    Stop The Thyroid Madness How to treat adrenals–for the patient and their doctors
    My Dr. would not give me Hydrocortisone said it's not safe to use. So I got this book by Dr. Jefferies "Safe Uses of Cortisol"
    Home Page of William McK. Jefferies, M.D.
    http://www.ccthomas.com/details.cfm?P_ISBN=039807500X
    Showed this to my Dr. and he blew it off and pissed me off.
    I got up to 120mgs of Armour and could not do more my charting even showed my Adrenals were not right to go higher. So I switched to HC and stated with 10mgs. in the morning wow in less then a week my temps were a straight line across at 98.6 first time in 8 months of charting things were looking good and I was feeling better. So if you need to treat your Adrenals the best place for help is Val. at this link.
    Stop The Thyroid Madness :: View Forum - ADRENALS and THYROID
    Most of the people posting there are Thyroid and Adrenal Fatigue but she helps for Adrenals only too. Do get your thyroid checked have the TSH, Free T4 and Free T3 checked and post them to her.

    Quote Originally Posted by pmgamer18 View Post
    Here is a good link about Adrenals.
    Adrenal Glands
    I am and have been in the same boat as you. Do not go on TRT until you find out if your Secondary or Primary. At a level of 400 you need to also test E2. If your Adrenals are bad and you treat them first then add some Armour when you get stable your Testosterone levels can go back up.
    Here is a cut and past of a post to a guy on how I got started treating this. O well the site is down I will come back when it's up if I don't remind me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ50 View Post
    OK here's the deal, went to the doctor because I didn't feel right and it turns out that pending final blood work and saliva testing my adrenals, thyroid and testes are not right.

    My thyroid levels came back with a TSH 2.31 , Free T4 1.4 ng/dL, Free T3 348 pg/dL

    Waiting on the 24hr saliva test for adrenals but symptoms lead doc to believe that adrenals are shot

    My Total Test is 400 ng/dL and Free Test 100 pg/mL, 2.5% Free Test


    I am not and have not taken steroids and have not injured my testicles so I don't know whats up.

    Bottom line how much of an effect on my test level does my adrenal and thyroid have?

    Meaning if I get my adrenals and thyroid straightened out will my test rebound??
    Curious,, Did your Doctor tell you that your thyriod is not right,, with your TSH coming back at 2.38??

    I am at 2.48 and my doctor said that was perfect...
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    Quote Originally Posted by biker340 View Post
    Curious,, Did your Doctor tell you that your thyriod is not right,, with your TSH coming back at 2.38??

    I am at 2.48 and my doctor said that was perfect...
    Depends on what your free t-3 and free t4 levels are at..
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    Pmgamer I gotta say what a treasure trove of info you gave me there. I am pretty sure I have adrenal fatigue and that all of my problems started with adrenals or thyroid and cascaded down into low testosterone. I will have to re-read all the info you gave to fully absorb it. Thank you very much.

    I want to focus on my adrenals and thyroid before I even think about dealing directly with my testosterone. If I can bring my levels back I would really like to do so because I am a competitive athlete and really don't want to have to deal with getting a T.U.E. -Therapeutic Use Exemption for testosterone from the USADA and WADA.
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    Chanp50 your will come and if you need more help post here or some see me at this link.
    Stop The Thyroid Madness :: View Forum - MEN'S THYROID
    Quote Originally Posted by Champ50 View Post
    Pmgamer I gotta say what a treasure trove of info you gave me there. I am pretty sure I have adrenal fatigue and that all of my problems started with adrenals or thyroid and cascaded down into low testosterone. I will have to re-read all the info you gave to fully absorb it. Thank you very much.

    I want to focus on my adrenals and thyroid before I even think about dealing directly with my testosterone. If I can bring my levels back I would really like to do so because I am a competitive athlete and really don't want to have to deal with getting a T.U.E. -Therapeutic Use Exemption for testosterone from the USADA and WADA.
  

  
 

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