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    Taken 4-20-07

    TT - 731 (241 - 827)

    FT - 23.9 (9.3 - 26.5)

    Prolactin - 5.6 (2.1 - 17.1)

    FSH - 3.6 (1.4 - 18.1)

    LH - 3.8 (1.5 - 9.3)

    Alright, looks like T and free T are WAY up

    I am happy happy happy

    Here is my bloodwork from 11 - 06

    IGF-1 130 (126 - 382ng)

    DHEA 520 (110 - 500)

    T-4 FREE 1.5 (.8 - 1.8)

    TSH 1.21 (.4 - 5.5)

    ESTRADOIL...43 (10 - 50)

    PSA .3

    T3 FREE 317 (230 - 420)

    TEST, TOTAL 490 (245 - 1836)

    TEST FREE 18.9 (12 - 40)

    The differences between the two dates are the addition of resveratrol to my supplement routine, the addition of Vit E, and I have TOTALLY revamped my diet. I have lost probably 5 lbs of fat between the two dates. I upped my fruit/veggie intake bigtime and dropped the junk food, and increased saturated fat/animal fat/cholestrerol/ and dumped all liquids with the exception of water. I have noticed a difference to as well, libido is up and Im feeling better by the day.

    My morning erections are still non existent. I doubt my estradoil has changed. I will be adding in DIM + TMG and Dermacrine Sustain(a very low dose) and getting TT, FT and E2 checked again.

    I will be seeing DR John later in the year to get my GH fixed. I can't do anything for that on my own.


  2. where did you those test done?
    do you get erections during your sleep in the middle of the night? sometimes iwake up in the middle of the night and i got one but ususally dont actually wake up with one in the am.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by engival View Post
    where did you those test done?
    do you get erections during your sleep in the middle of the night? sometimes iwake up in the middle of the night and i got one but ususally dont actually wake up with one in the am.
    Quest Diagnostics. Labcorp is also good, go threw LEF for them.

    I have to get nighttime erections, as I get noctornal emissions all the time like a dam teenager LOL.

    I still get the brain fog(high E2) and sore muscles/joints(low GH)

  4. Quote Originally Posted by plymouth city View Post
    Quest Diagnostics. Labcorp is also good, go threw LEF for them.

    I have to get nighttime erections, as I get noctornal emissions all the time like a dam teenager LOL.

    I still get the brain fog(high E2) and sore muscles/joints(low GH)

    Yes the brain fog is killing me, since starting this iodoral my piss smells like it did when on DIM and ies dirty yellow, and constantly been dedhyrated could this mean that estrogen metabolsm possible shifting similar to dim and driving estrogen way low. morning wood is not bad, but something is going on with estrogen and I need to further investigate it with dr but hes too damn lazy to order the test. Janz I might be coming to see your dr I hope hes more aggressive..Labs work look great.. your testosterone/estrogen ratio looks alitle high though drop that ***** to 15-20 you be doing good. Easy on armidex .5 EOD for 2 weeks dropped my freinds from 60 down to 4. so I had him stop it for a week till morning wood comes back..then possible .25 every 3 rd day then retest in 3 weeks. His free testosterone actually went down. Can low estrogen drop free testosterone? his dr never ran the shbg for him so that did not help

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    Last edited by plymouth city; 04-27-2007 at 02:29 PM. Reason: double post
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Yes the brain fog is killing me, since starting this iodoral my piss smells like it did when on DIM and ies dirty yellow, and constantly been dedhyrated could this mean that estrogen metabolsm possible shifting similar to dim and driving estrogen way low. morning wood is not bad, but something is going on with estrogen and I need to further investigate it with dr but hes too damn lazy to order the test. Janz I might be coming to see your dr I hope hes more aggressive..
    Oh yea its a problem with me as well. My brain feels like it is in a haze and I have trouble with short term memory and multi tasking. It can be a pain, but I roll with it. This is a big issue for me as Im a college student and work as a server in fine dining. I rely on memory and multitasking as a big part of my life.

    I have a very, very good felling that the addition of DIM + TMG and dermacrine sustain will be a huge next step and fix these problems. Im excited.

  7. Multitasking....I remember my first 200mg shot of test, I got more done in 2 days at work than I had in previous weeks. Nothing like a clear head.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by plymouth city View Post
    Oh yea its a problem with me as well. My brain feels like it is in a haze and I have trouble with short term memory and multi tasking. It can be a pain, but I roll with it. This is a big issue for me as Im a college student and work as a server in fine dining. I rely on memory and multitasking as a big part of my life.

    I have a very, very good felling that the addition of DIM + TMG and dermacrine sustain will be a huge next step and fix these problems. Im excited.
    Howmany times you eat fish and do you use fish oils at all?
    acteylcholine plays alot with memiory.
    Do you use inhalers or eat alot of fast food or breads or bakery items, you liev near airport?


    My long term memory is insane. Short term is horeenedous, but also low e2 can play in factor as well..I need to kick my dr in the ass and have him order the urine test like he was suppose to do 5 weeks ago. i can not keep paying 500 a month for insurance and not use the damn stuff. UGH

  9. Quote Originally Posted by rfish1966 View Post
    Multitasking....I remember my first 200mg shot of test, I got more done in 2 days at work than I had in previous weeks. Nothing like a clear head.
    Are yous saying low testosterone was reason for your memory problems?

  10. Yeah, that 2 days after each shot is the most clear headed I have been in atleast 7 or 8 years. However after about 4 days there is a pretty big downhill slide, I am sure once I get back on test that I can resolve that by twice weekly injections, or I hope anyways.
    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Are yous saying low testosterone was reason for your memory problems?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by rfish1966 View Post
    Yeah, that 2 days after each shot is the most clear headed I have been in atleast 7 or 8 years. However after about 4 days there is a pretty big downhill slide, I am sure once I get back on test that I can resolve that by twice weekly injections, or I hope anyways.
    or just addin 250 ius of hcg last 2 days before next injection it will keep you from sliding from 100 mgs a week shot do that for 3 weeks then examine the e2 level and how low you are dropping on day of injection take blood work . What would be nice is to see where the crest 2 days post injection and then where the trough is and flucaution of t/e ratio. or if you go bi weekly then it your next blood pull will be almost at that level to begin with because the peak with be much closer the the trough..

  12. My urologist took me off test for 6 weeks so he can do another round of tests before starting fertility treatments. He did mention HCG. Both my wife and myself want back on test though, hopefully they will add that back in but the doc was talking about it making me more sterile than I already am. I hear a lot of people run both with success...so I just have to convince him.

    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    or just addin 250 ius of hcg last 2 days before next injection it will keep you from sliding from 100 mgs a week shot

  13. Plymouth, congrats on feeling better by the way. It's good to have guys like you here so that us newbs can benefit from your experience.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by rfish1966 View Post
    My urologist took me off test for 6 weeks so he can do another round of tests before starting fertility treatments. He did mention HCG. Both my wife and myself want back on test though, hopefully they will add that back in but the doc was talking about it making me more sterile than I already am. I hear a lot of people run both with success...so I just have to convince him.
    Test with HCG wouldbe the route to go ask that one guy on here been on trt for 30 years and at 60 become a POP !! ageless I think his name is

  15. I will look up ageless. At this point however my opinion as well as my wifes is that being fertile is not worth it if I don't have the energy not to mention erections to seal the deal. I guess quality of life is what it comes down too. I understand HGC will raise test but will it be enough both fix the giggle berries and resolve the ed and energy issues...who knows, I am going to try for both treatments though.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by rfish1966 View Post
    I will look up ageless. At this point however my opinion as well as my wifes is that being fertile is not worth it if I don't have the energy not to mention erections to seal the deal. I guess quality of life is what it comes down too. I understand HGC will raise test but will it be enough both fix the giggle berries and resolve the ed and energy issues...who knows, I am going to try for both treatments though.
    When e2 / test is in check then look at thyroid/adrenals/inuslin imbalnces
    Look into zinc defiecincy as possble solution since it is known as fertility mineral

  17. Quote Originally Posted by plymouth city View Post
    Taken 4-20-07

    TT - 731 (241 - 827)

    FT - 23.9 (9.3 - 26.5)

    Prolactin - 5.6 (2.1 - 17.1)

    FSH - 3.6 (1.4 - 18.1)

    LH - 3.8 (1.5 - 9.3)
    get SHBG, Albumin, pregnenolone, cortisolAM/PM and BioAvailableT from Quest
    you do not really know if your T is ok until you get your BAT

    Alright, looks like T and free T are WAY up

    I am happy happy happy

    Here is my bloodwork from 11 - 06

    IGF-1 130 (126 - 382ng)

    DHEA 520 (110 - 500)

    T-4 FREE 1.5 (.8 - 1.8)

    TSH 1.21 (.4 - 5.5)

    ESTRADOIL...43 (10 - 50)

    PSA .3

    T3 FREE 317 (230 - 420)

    TEST, TOTAL 490 (245 - 1836)

    TEST FREE 18.9 (12 - 40)

    The differences between the two dates are the addition of resveratrol to my supplement routine, the addition of Vit E, and I have TOTALLY revamped my diet. I have lost probably 5 lbs of fat between the two dates. I upped my fruit/veggie intake bigtime and dropped the junk food, and increased saturated fat/animal fat/cholestrerol/ and dumped all liquids with the exception of water. I have noticed a difference to as well, libido is up and Im feeling better by the day.

    My morning erections are still non existent. I doubt my estradoil has changed. I will be adding in DIM + TMG and Dermacrine Sustain(a very low dose) and getting TT, FT and E2 checked again.

    I will be seeing DR John later in the year to get my GH fixed. I can't do anything for that on my own.
    So you added resveratol and VitE and your Testosterone went up, interesting.

    List medicines and supplements that you are taking.

    Work on your estradiol
    I suggest
    6 pills of
    Dual-Action Cruciferous Vegetable Extract With Resveratrol & Cat's Claw, 60 Vegetarian Capsules
    2pills of
    Tmg (Trimethylglycine), 500 Mg 180 Tablets

    Check the amount of Calcium D glutatarate you are taking if need use;
    Calcium D-Glucarate, 200 Mg 60 Capsules
    if it does not help enough within a month add some Arimidex.
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    Your FreeT3 is in lower 50%
    Take some Armour
    3.820 <--FT3 start of upper 20%
    3.725 <--FT3 start of upper 25%
    3.567 <--FT3 start of upper 33%
    3.250 <--FT3 start of upper 50%
    54.21 <--your current 3.17 puts you %% from the top =100-(3.17-2.3)/(4.2-2.3)*100
    21.05 <-- 3.8 would put you %% from the top =100-(3.8-2.3)/(4.2-2.3)*100
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    You may want to consider pregnenolone and chrysin creams but see your blood work first (pregnenolone, SHBG).

  18. Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Howmany times you eat fish and do you use fish oils at all?
    acteylcholine plays alot with memiory.
    Do you use inhalers or eat alot of fast food or breads or bakery items, you liev near airport?


    My long term memory is insane. Short term is horeenedous, but also low e2 can play in factor as well..I need to kick my dr in the ass and have him order the urine test like he was suppose to do 5 weeks ago. i can not keep paying 500 a month for insurance and not use the damn stuff. UGH
    I use Flameout for fish oil - Testosterone Nation - FLAMEOUT!

    I combine it with Carlsons Vit E.

    I do not eat any fast food. I eat a few slices of whole wheat toast a couple times a week in sandwhiches. I live probably 40 miles from the airport.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by rfish1966 View Post
    Yeah, that 2 days after each shot is the most clear headed I have been in atleast 7 or 8 years. However after about 4 days there is a pretty big downhill slide, I am sure once I get back on test that I can resolve that by twice weekly injections, or I hope anyways.
    Every single person I have ever spoken with has said they felt trememndously better from more frequent injects. I have never heard of the opposite. Every person I know of that has switched to more frequent injects has NEVER switched back. I have seen documented blood work that shows T levels are cut by at least 1/3 or more by the 5th day after inject.

    Twice a week should be the minimum, I think E3D would be even better.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    So you added resveratol and VitE and your Testosterone went up, interesting.

    List medicines and supplements that you are taking.

    Work on your estradiol
    I suggest
    6 pills of
    Dual-Action Cruciferous Vegetable Extract With Resveratrol & Cat's Claw, 60 Vegetarian Capsules
    2pills of
    Tmg (Trimethylglycine), 500 Mg 180 Tablets

    Check the amount of Calcium D glutatarate you are taking if need use;
    Calcium D-Glucarate, 200 Mg 60 Capsules
    if it does not help enough within a month add some Arimidex.
    ---------------------------------------------------

    Your FreeT3 is in lower 50%
    Take some Armour
    3.820 <--FT3 start of upper 20%
    3.725 <--FT3 start of upper 25%
    3.567 <--FT3 start of upper 33%
    3.250 <--FT3 start of upper 50%
    54.21 <--your current 3.17 puts you %% from the top =100-(3.17-2.3)/(4.2-2.3)*100
    21.05 <-- 3.8 would put you %% from the top =100-(3.8-2.3)/(4.2-2.3)*100
    -----------------------------------------------------
    You may want to consider pregnenolone and chrysin creams but see your blood work first (pregnenolone, SHBG).
    Yep, added in Vit E to help my body assimilate the fish oil. And resveratrol as well. My resveratrol dosing has been all over the map. I have experiemented with 300mg a day, 100mg a day, or EOD, or once a week. I wish it was more affordable, or I was richer LOL.

    One thing I would also like to add is that I really, really tightened up my diet. Im eating LOTS of animal food/saturated fat/cholesterol. I do not fear this, as I know the truth about heart disease and it is not affected by eating animals. We are designed to eat this way and anyone that tells you different is a fool.

    Yes, estradoil is high. I will be taking DIM(from ultimatemedresearch.com) and TMG from LEF. I will be dosing that EOD to keep costs down.

    I will also be adding in Calcium D Glucarate every day from LEF as well.

    Right now I take

    Flameout - 2 pills every day (biotest)
    ZMA - Full dose every day (biotest)
    Carlsons - Vit E Gems (1 cap 5 days a week)
    Resveratrol - 1 cap every day) Biotest)
    Carlsons Vit ACE Selenium - ( 1 cap 2 days a week)
    Whey Protein shakes

    When I have the extra money I use Greens +

    I eat tons of fruits and veggies and lots of red meat/chicken/fish. I eat 18 - 36 eggs a week. My cholesterol is excellent.

    My DHEA is already high so I do not want regular Dermacrine, I want to try dermacrine sustain. Remember DHEA will aromatize into E as well. I will get pregnenolone checked as well, thanks for reminding me.

  21. Yea, I know about Bioavailable T, but remember, TT still tells the big picture of things going on. TT is still an important number to know.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by rfish1966 View Post
    Plymouth, congrats on feeling better by the way. It's good to have guys like you here so that us newbs can benefit from your experience.
    Not a problem, endocrinology is a passion of mine and I love to share everything I know.

  23. Every 3rd day I guess would be almost perfect, 3 or 4 days is about when the downhill slide starts.
    Flameout by the way is an awesome product.

    Quote Originally Posted by plymouth city View Post
    Every single person I have ever spoken with has said they felt trememndously better from more frequent injects. I have never heard of the opposite. Every person I know of that has switched to more frequent injects has NEVER switched back. I have seen documented blood work that shows T levels are cut by at least 1/3 or more by the 5th day after inject.

    Twice a week should be the minimum, I think E3D would be even better.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by rfish1966 View Post
    Every 3rd day I guess would be almost perfect, 3 or 4 days is about when the downhill slide starts.
    Flameout by the way is an awesome product.
    Yeo, and E3D would be easy to measure out as well, given that is 10 shots per month.

    FLAMEOUT is the best fish oil in the world bro. Higher DHA = Increase in T. DHA is shown to increase T levels in men.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by plymouth city View Post
    Yeo, and E3D would be easy to measure out as well, given that is 10 shots per month.

    FLAMEOUT is the best fish oil in the world bro. Higher DHA = Increase in T. DHA is shown to increase T levels in men.
    Your dhea is probably converting into a higher percentage of e then T you tihnk so and DIM should prevent it from going to the bad estrogen pathway. Yes in past 3 months I learned about the endo system more then most drs HAHA and still learning ..

  26. Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Your dhea is probably converting into a higher percentage of e then T you tihnk so and DIM should prevent it from going to the bad estrogen pathway. Yes in past 3 months I learned about the endo system more then most drs HAHA and still learning ..
    I believe this as well. I think your exactly right, that it is my high DHEA that is causing E to go up.

    I do not like prescription grade AI's much anymore, the more I learn about them. Estrogen is a vital hormone, especially in the brain. I do not want to ever have to take arimidex or any other AI. I am hoping that DIM + TMG + Calcium D Glucarate + Dermacrine Sustain does the trick, plus the added bonus of even more increased T and all the cancer fighting and heart protecting properites those compounds have. Dermacrine sustain has Resveratrol in it(yes please, give me more resveratrol!) and DIM +TMG has alot of other health bennies to boot aside from estrogen management.

    Given the fact that my T is higher now I can get away with an E a little higher anyways. I would like to get that number in the low 30's.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by plymouth city View Post
    I believe this as well. I think your exactly right, that it is my high DHEA that is causing E to go up.

    I do not like prescription grade AI's much anymore, the more I learn about them. Estrogen is a vital hormone, especially in the brain. I do not want to ever have to take arimidex or any other AI. I am hoping that DIM + TMG + Calcium D Glucarate + Dermacrine Sustain does the trick, plus the added bonus of even more increased T and all the cancer fighting and heart protecting properites those compounds have. Dermacrine sustain has Resveratrol in it(yes please, give me more resveratrol!) and DIM +TMG has alot of other health bennies to boot aside from estrogen management.

    Given the fact that my T is higher now I can get away with an E a little higher anyways. I would like to get that number in the low 30's.
    i suggested a conservative amount of armidex for a client .25 mgs EOD he estrodial was 60 last i had it checked 2 weeks later (knowing it takes 14 days to build in system) it was 4. So it does drive it right into the ground and his test went from 300- 500 but free dropped that i did not understand. So i suggested he come off till morning would starts and then when that fades get e2 tested again and then if high start. start back more conservativly

  28. Quote Originally Posted by plymouth city View Post
    Yes, estradoil is high. I will be taking DIM(from ultimatemedresearch.com) and TMG from LEF. I will be dosing that EOD to keep costs down.

    I will also be adding in Calcium D Glucarate every day from LEF as well.

    Right now I take

    Flameout - 2 pills every day (biotest)
    ZMA - Full dose every day (biotest)
    Carlsons - Vit E Gems (1 cap 5 days a week)
    Resveratrol - 1 cap every day) Biotest)
    Carlsons Vit ACE Selenium - ( 1 cap 2 days a week)
    Whey Protein shakes
    Below I posted prices for three resveratrol containing products.
    REZ-V (Biotest) resveratrol only
    Resveratrol from LEF -contains also quercetin
    Dual-Action from LEF, contains additionally gamout of cruciferous products also rosemary and cat's claw. I think it is a DIM on steroids.
    I use it myself, must admit I do not have (yet) wet dreams but since I increased dose to 6 pills I am getting wood whole night.
    --------------------------------

    REZ-V
    Testosterone Nation - Products
    $34.99 each
    0.486 $$ per 100mg of resveratrol

    Resveratrol Caps 100 mg, 60 vegetarian capsules Item Catalog Number: 970
    Resveratrol Caps, 100 Mg 60 Vegetarian Capsules
    $24.00 each

    0.40 $$ per 100mg of resveratrol

    Dual-Action Cruciferous Vegetable Extract With Resveratrol & Cat's Claw 60 vegetarian capsules Item Catalog Number: 969
    Dual-Action Cruciferous Vegetable Extract With Resveratrol & Cat's Claw, 60 Vegetarian Capsules
    $22.20 each
    Resveratrol-20 mg
    1.85 $$ per 100mg of resveratrol
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    LE Magazine January 2006
    I3C & DIM
    Natural, Dual-Action Protection Against Deadly Cancers

    Taming the Estrogen Connection

    Le Magazine, January 2006 - Report: I3C & Dim - Natural, Dual-Action Protection Against Deadly Cancers

  29. Quote Originally Posted by plymouth city View Post
    I use Flameout for fish oil - Testosterone Nation - FLAMEOUT!

    I combine it with Carlsons Vit E.

    I do not eat any fast food. I eat a few slices of whole wheat toast a couple times a week in sandwhiches. I live probably 40 miles from the airport.
    That seems a good combination but besides the high DHA in flameout fish oil what do you know about quality control of what is in the actual product? Also 4 a day seems very extreme at that dose. I have a high T level 29 and think my symptoms may be down to hypothyroidism due to a tsh of 2.5. Would this still benefit me considering it is mainly a T boosting stimulant?
  30. Red face


    I love this plymouth city keep up the good work at the rate your going Hardasnails will need your help Just kidding your guys are getting so dam good at this it worms my heart to see you all helping each other. Now I don't need to work so hard.
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