New Bloodwork, check it out!
- 04-27-2007, 12:53 PM
New Bloodwork, check it out!
TT - 731 (241 - 827)
FT - 23.9 (9.3 - 26.5)
Prolactin - 5.6 (2.1 - 17.1)
FSH - 3.6 (1.4 - 18.1)
LH - 3.8 (1.5 - 9.3)
Alright, looks like T and free T are WAY up
I am happy happy happy
Here is my bloodwork from 11 - 06
IGF-1 130 (126 - 382ng)
DHEA 520 (110 - 500)
T-4 FREE 1.5 (.8 - 1.8)
TSH 1.21 (.4 - 5.5)
ESTRADOIL...43 (10 - 50)
T3 FREE 317 (230 - 420)
TEST, TOTAL 490 (245 - 1836)
TEST FREE 18.9 (12 - 40)
The differences between the two dates are the addition of resveratrol to my supplement routine, the addition of Vit E, and I have TOTALLY revamped my diet. I have lost probably 5 lbs of fat between the two dates. I upped my fruit/veggie intake bigtime and dropped the junk food, and increased saturated fat/animal fat/cholestrerol/ and dumped all liquids with the exception of water. I have noticed a difference to as well, libido is up and Im feeling better by the day.
My morning erections are still non existent. I doubt my estradoil has changed. I will be adding in DIM + TMG and Dermacrine Sustain(a very low dose) and getting TT, FT and E2 checked again.
I will be seeing DR John later in the year to get my GH fixed. I can't do anything for that on my own.
- 04-27-2007, 01:02 PM
where did you those test done?
do you get erections during your sleep in the middle of the night? sometimes iwake up in the middle of the night and i got one but ususally dont actually wake up with one in the am.
- 04-27-2007, 01:19 PM
04-27-2007, 01:26 PM
Yes the brain fog is killing me, since starting this iodoral my piss smells like it did when on DIM and ies dirty yellow, and constantly been dedhyrated could this mean that estrogen metabolsm possible shifting similar to dim and driving estrogen way low. morning wood is not bad, but something is going on with estrogen and I need to further investigate it with dr but hes too damn lazy to order the test. Janz I might be coming to see your dr I hope hes more aggressive..Labs work look great.. your testosterone/estrogen ratio looks alitle high though drop that ***** to 15-20 you be doing good. Easy on armidex .5 EOD for 2 weeks dropped my freinds from 60 down to 4. so I had him stop it for a week till morning wood comes back..then possible .25 every 3 rd day then retest in 3 weeks. His free testosterone actually went down. Can low estrogen drop free testosterone? his dr never ran the shbg for him so that did not help
04-27-2007, 01:28 PM
Last edited by plymouth city; 04-27-2007 at 01:29 PM. Reason: double post
04-27-2007, 01:32 PM
I have a very, very good felling that the addition of DIM + TMG and dermacrine sustain will be a huge next step and fix these problems. Im excited.
04-27-2007, 01:43 PM
Multitasking....I remember my first 200mg shot of test, I got more done in 2 days at work than I had in previous weeks. Nothing like a clear head.
04-27-2007, 01:45 PM
acteylcholine plays alot with memiory.
Do you use inhalers or eat alot of fast food or breads or bakery items, you liev near airport?
My long term memory is insane. Short term is horeenedous, but also low e2 can play in factor as well..I need to kick my dr in the ass and have him order the urine test like he was suppose to do 5 weeks ago. i can not keep paying 500 a month for insurance and not use the damn stuff. UGH
04-27-2007, 01:46 PM
04-27-2007, 01:50 PM
Yeah, that 2 days after each shot is the most clear headed I have been in atleast 7 or 8 years. However after about 4 days there is a pretty big downhill slide, I am sure once I get back on test that I can resolve that by twice weekly injections, or I hope anyways.
04-27-2007, 01:52 PM
04-27-2007, 01:56 PM
My urologist took me off test for 6 weeks so he can do another round of tests before starting fertility treatments. He did mention HCG. Both my wife and myself want back on test though, hopefully they will add that back in but the doc was talking about it making me more sterile than I already am. I hear a lot of people run both with success...so I just have to convince him.
04-27-2007, 01:58 PM
Plymouth, congrats on feeling better by the way. It's good to have guys like you here so that us newbs can benefit from your experience.
04-27-2007, 02:01 PM
04-27-2007, 02:08 PM
I will look up ageless. At this point however my opinion as well as my wifes is that being fertile is not worth it if I don't have the energy not to mention erections to seal the deal. I guess quality of life is what it comes down too. I understand HGC will raise test but will it be enough both fix the giggle berries and resolve the ed and energy issues...who knows, I am going to try for both treatments though.
04-27-2007, 02:13 PM
04-27-2007, 02:14 PM
List medicines and supplements that you are taking.
Work on your estradiol
6 pills of
Dual-Action Cruciferous Vegetable Extract With Resveratrol & Cat's Claw, 60 Vegetarian Capsules
Tmg (Trimethylglycine), 500 Mg 180 Tablets
Check the amount of Calcium D glutatarate you are taking if need use;
Calcium D-Glucarate, 200 Mg 60 Capsules
if it does not help enough within a month add some Arimidex.
Your FreeT3 is in lower 50%
Take some Armour
3.820 <--FT3 start of upper 20%
3.725 <--FT3 start of upper 25%
3.567 <--FT3 start of upper 33%
3.250 <--FT3 start of upper 50%
54.21 <--your current 3.17 puts you %% from the top =100-(3.17-2.3)/(4.2-2.3)*100
21.05 <-- 3.8 would put you %% from the top =100-(3.8-2.3)/(4.2-2.3)*100
You may want to consider pregnenolone and chrysin creams but see your blood work first (pregnenolone, SHBG).
04-27-2007, 02:21 PM
Testosterone Nation - FLAMEOUT!
I combine it with Carlsons Vit E.
I do not eat any fast food. I eat a few slices of whole wheat toast a couple times a week in sandwhiches. I live probably 40 miles from the airport.
04-27-2007, 02:26 PM
Twice a week should be the minimum, I think E3D would be even better.
04-27-2007, 02:40 PM
One thing I would also like to add is that I really, really tightened up my diet. Im eating LOTS of animal food/saturated fat/cholesterol. I do not fear this, as I know the truth about heart disease and it is not affected by eating animals. We are designed to eat this way and anyone that tells you different is a fool.
Yes, estradoil is high. I will be taking DIM(from ultimatemedresearch.com) and TMG from LEF. I will be dosing that EOD to keep costs down.
I will also be adding in Calcium D Glucarate every day from LEF as well.
Right now I take
Flameout - 2 pills every day (biotest)
ZMA - Full dose every day (biotest)
Carlsons - Vit E Gems (1 cap 5 days a week)
Resveratrol - 1 cap every day) Biotest)
Carlsons Vit ACE Selenium - ( 1 cap 2 days a week)
Whey Protein shakes
When I have the extra money I use Greens +
I eat tons of fruits and veggies and lots of red meat/chicken/fish. I eat 18 - 36 eggs a week. My cholesterol is excellent.
My DHEA is already high so I do not want regular Dermacrine, I want to try dermacrine sustain. Remember DHEA will aromatize into E as well. I will get pregnenolone checked as well, thanks for reminding me.
04-27-2007, 02:43 PM
Yea, I know about Bioavailable T, but remember, TT still tells the big picture of things going on. TT is still an important number to know.
04-27-2007, 02:46 PM
04-27-2007, 02:46 PM
04-27-2007, 02:57 PM
04-27-2007, 03:19 PM
04-27-2007, 03:29 PM
I do not like prescription grade AI's much anymore, the more I learn about them. Estrogen is a vital hormone, especially in the brain. I do not want to ever have to take arimidex or any other AI. I am hoping that DIM + TMG + Calcium D Glucarate + Dermacrine Sustain does the trick, plus the added bonus of even more increased T and all the cancer fighting and heart protecting properites those compounds have. Dermacrine sustain has Resveratrol in it(yes please, give me more resveratrol!) and DIM +TMG has alot of other health bennies to boot aside from estrogen management.
Given the fact that my T is higher now I can get away with an E a little higher anyways. I would like to get that number in the low 30's.
04-27-2007, 03:37 PM
04-27-2007, 05:46 PM
REZ-V (Biotest) resveratrol only
Resveratrol from LEF -contains also quercetin
Dual-Action from LEF, contains additionally gamout of cruciferous products also rosemary and cat's claw. I think it is a DIM on steroids.
I use it myself, must admit I do not have (yet) wet dreams but since I increased dose to 6 pills I am getting wood whole night.
Testosterone Nation - Products
0.486 $$ per 100mg of resveratrol
Resveratrol Caps 100 mg, 60 vegetarian capsules Item Catalog Number: 970
Resveratrol Caps, 100 Mg 60 Vegetarian Capsules
0.40 $$ per 100mg of resveratrol
Dual-Action Cruciferous Vegetable Extract With Resveratrol & Cat's Claw 60 vegetarian capsules Item Catalog Number: 969
Dual-Action Cruciferous Vegetable Extract With Resveratrol & Cat's Claw, 60 Vegetarian Capsules
1.85 $$ per 100mg of resveratrol
LE Magazine January 2006
I3C & DIM
Natural, Dual-Action Protection Against Deadly Cancers
Taming the Estrogen Connection
Le Magazine, January 2006 - Report: I3C & Dim - Natural, Dual-Action Protection Against Deadly Cancers
04-27-2007, 06:31 PM
04-27-2007, 06:53 PM
I love this plymouth city keep up the good work at the rate your going Hardasnails will need your help Just kidding your guys are getting so dam good at this it worms my heart to see you all helping each other. Now I don't need to work so hard.
04-27-2007, 10:17 PM
04-27-2007, 11:20 PM
There are so many natural, estrogen controlling and potent compounds that not only control estrogen but also have many important health components to boot.
It does not suprise me that arimidex drove your friends estrogen into the ground. I think that when this whole HRT thing gets ironed out, that eventually everyone will be using OTC natural plant based compounds to control estrogen and pharm grade AI's will be for steroid use only.
Last edited by plymouth city; 04-27-2007 at 11:35 PM. Reason: none
04-27-2007, 11:26 PM
Biotest is the best supplement company in the world, IMO. They have continued to push the cutting edge and make top quality supps. If they have a product, I get it from them and noone else. I trust there quality and potency above everyone else. Every top mind in the sports/exercise and fitness world swears by them, and I do as well. If they make resveratrol, I get it from them and noone else. Im loyal to companies I trust. Money is no object with Biotest, I will pay more to go threw them.
That brand of DIM from LEF is a little weak though, at only 14mg of DIM per serving. I believe Dr John gets his threw Nick Delgado at ultimatemedresearch.com. I trust Dr J and I will get mine threw that site as well. Plus the dosage is much higher, at 100mg per serving. I will get my TMG and Calcium D Glucarate threw LEF though.
04-27-2007, 11:31 PM
04-28-2007, 02:13 PM
The story on DIM and I3C is still being written, it is not cast in stone, not yet.
Amount Per Serving
Broccoli (Brassica oleracea l.) Super Concentrate Extract 400 mg
Watercress (Nasturtium officinale) 4:1 Extract (leaf) 100 mg
Indole-3-Carbinol (I3C) 80 mg
Rosemary (Rosmarinus officinalis) Extract (leaves) 50 mg
Cat's Claw (Uncaria tomentosa) Extract (bark) 50 mg
Resveratrol [from Red Grape (Vitis vinifera) Extract 20 mg
DIM (Di-indolyl-methane) 14 mg
04-28-2007, 02:19 PM
04-28-2007, 03:03 PM
Going for more frequent injects isn't just smart as far as E goes. It helps keep SHBG in check, keeps for a more stable level of T and avoids the day 4-5 crash that everyone seems to get.
But it is a good first step. I would more like to see a E3D protocol. That is 10 shots per month. Then get that estradoil checked and compare it to E. Its all balance. See what that T-E ratio is and go from there. IMO, pharm grade E blockers are a last resort. Most don't need an E blocker. The percentage that do would need to try the following :
1. Switch to E3D injects. Retest. If that doesn't help, go to
2. Weight loss/diet. E is stored in fat. I would like to see EVERYONE with an E issue strive for a single digit BF percentage. You don't even know for sure if you have an E problem due to T conversion to E if you have a weight issue to boot. E is stored and produced in BF. You must strive for a single digit BF, not just for E but other health reasons to boot. I have a feeling that alot of AI's can be avoided as well.
3. After that, if E still persists, try natural plant based AI's, because they have so many other health boosting properties. There are many to choose from. My choices in order are:
A. Resveratrol - not only does it control E, it increases cardiovascular outpout, increases age in mice, increases T and helps with inflammation.
B. ZMA - Boosts T as well, aids in sleep
C. DIM + TMG
D. Calcium D Glucarate
E. Dermacrine Sustain - This could possibly be number one, but I do not have any personal experience with it, but from what I have seen results have been VERY promising.
4. Then opt for an pharm grade AI like arimidex, and hopefully once E is kept under control, one could taper off and eventually use a very lose dose arimidex and plant based AI combo, then taper off to a plant based AI.
04-28-2007, 07:23 PM
Myomin - Hormone Balancing Formula
Estrogen Dominance - Energetic Nutrition
Estrogen Dominance Symptoms (lets skip those that are for women)
The following symptoms are common among those with excess estrogen. What begins with mild symptoms in younger years often becomes moderate in the mid to late 30s, and severe by the time a woman reaches her mid 40s. If you are experiencing as few as 6 of these symptoms, you probably have some level of estrogen dominance.
MILD MODERATE SEVERE
Premenstrual breast tenderness Irregular menstruation Uterine fibroid tumors
Premenstrual mood swings Weight gain Endometriosis
Premenstrual fluid retention, weight gain Hair loss Fibrocystic breasts
Premenstrual headaches Depression Polycystic ovary syndrome
Menstrual cramps Fatigue Breast tumors
Thickened uterine lining
Thyroid dysfunction Infertility
Adrenal gland fatigue
Headaches, migraines Accelerated aging
Severe menstrual cramps Miscarriage
Heavy periods with clotting Anxiety and panic attacks
Joint and muscle pain Autoimmune disorders
Insomnia and restless sleep
04-29-2007, 06:12 PM
04-30-2007, 02:01 PM
Its strange, but the more I understand everything the more I see how the body IS NOT designed to be fat, in any way shape or form. Its almost like there is some sort of reproductive mechanism in play that balances things out, that tries to help all the healthiest and fit people to reproduce, and the ones who aren't, to not.
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