Crazy penis - My story
- 04-14-2007, 05:24 PM
Crazy penis - My story
Well the first signs I had that something wasn't right was low labido, lack of sensation, weak orgasm etc etc. That said and yes this was depressing enough. I didn't initially lose size and to accomodate my "sense of loss" I began to drink more alcohol and smoke some marijuana. This hedonism was totally out of character for me and people just assumed I was depressed. I sure was thinking suddenly, for some unknown reason to me I would need to take viagra for the rest of my life to function in a sexual way. Then knowing this was causing my depression was the worst case of denial I could imagine.
Then one day I woke up after a heavy unsatisfying marijuana smoking session to discover my penis was half or maybe less than half its "set flaccid size". I was once self assured about "having a big one" until that point although I obviously wasn't right, as I mentioned above with ED. This set me off into an all time low of becoming almost agrophobic and avoiding most social situations because of feelings of inadequacy. Again I had no idea what was happening to me and I often thought about not wanting to live anymore since I was/am now to some extent obviously not living life to the full so to speak. I have almost stopped drinking alcohol since, I never was much of a drinker anyway and not smoking is not a problem.
Living with this has become rather strange, the symptoms of things like low T mirror those of depression. That is the worst thing of all so I have supplimented with fish oils and vitamin E. I also drink Green Tea and consumer a good amount of fruit and veggies to boost my mood and hopefully my hormones, to some extent anyway.
The atrophy I have suffered since includes strange penis shape and bad blood flow giving the impression of going small or thin while flaccid like it is deteriorating away. It is a strange situation i.e. I could be sitting down at home relaxed and everything may hang normal with good blood flow etc and then when I am walking around sometimes it feels like NOTHING is there and I have to work hard on sexual thoughts to make it feel "fuller". It is a lot of baggage to carry in general I mean being in a social situation and having to go the toilet feeling that your penis has literally fell off is crushing. Not to mention how much hard work it makes of sex, emotionally and physically. I feel my body needs "recovery time" to build itself back up after a session
I have had bloodwork for my Testosterone levels and Thyroid that I am still waiting for. This should be interesting when I find out these results. It is still somewhat of a mystery to me. Having deteriorated so rapidly I can only think I may have had some kind of physical accident and/or inflammation somewhere along the way, that in turn effected my endocrine system in a very negative way. I don't know what else it could be since I am otherwise young, fit and in good health.
I think this forum is a huge relief for anyone who has or is still suffering from things like hypogonadism and general dysfunction. I probably would have drove myself mad and been stuck on anti depressants for the rest of my life. This is a great outlet that I now at least feel in a much more positive frame of mind, even though I go through this condition everyday.
- 04-14-2007, 05:36 PM
04-14-2007, 05:38 PM
TT and E2 can affect the total health/sensation/erection/size of the genital area.
One thing I would like to note is that I have heard from many that increases in T, restoration of healthy E levels and/or hCG all seem to correct these issues.
Make sure you are using a potent Fish Oil + Vit E combo. Go with Biotest for fish oil and Carlsons for vit E.
04-14-2007, 05:40 PM
04-14-2007, 05:44 PM
Could use proof read.
Looking to start HRT
ZMA-- $9.00 (Zinc, Magnesium, B6) 3 capsules a day
REZ-V _$34.99 (3 tabs a day) plymut says 1/week Resveratrol (Biotest)
Flameout--Biotest fish oil ----- $24.99 (4pills a day) plymout says 2 is enough
MICRONIZED GERMAN CREATINE $12.99 (5grams a day, one scoop)
Whey Protein (Biotest) (Grow! Premium Quality Whey) to be replaced by Protein Greens Whey Natural
CLA (Biotest) it is part of Flameout ???
E-Gems Elite 400 IU ;---http://www.carlsonlabs.com/product_detail.phtml?prodid=10 008046&categid=0001
ACES A/C/E/Selenium ;---http://www.carlsonlabs.com/product_detail.phtml?prodid=00 110
GREENS Plus® Wild Berry Burst ;---http://greensplus.com/product_info.php/cPath/67_21_23/products_id/130.
PROTEIN GREENS+™ Whey Natural ;---http://greensplus.com/product_info.php/cPath/67_21_83_77/products_id/202
My (Plymoth's) whey shakes look like this, and I drink one every day for breakfast.
1 scoop whey
ice and water
2 tablespoons olive oil
Creatine a couple days a week
Frozen fruit or Veg, usually strawberries or blueberries, sometimes blackberries or rasberries
1 teaspoon Greens Plus Wild Berry
04-14-2007, 05:51 PM
04-14-2007, 06:29 PM
04-14-2007, 06:49 PM
04-14-2007, 09:16 PM
cjones, our age, location and situation seem identical. Your description is near identical to mine too and the mental thoughts are very similar. You mentioned feeling "hung" sometimes and not other's. The same goes for me. However i noticed you mentioned feeling hung when watching TV (in your living room) which makes me think of a warm enviroment. This is what makes me believe you have hypothyrodism like symptoms and low body temperature resulting in small flaccid size.
I have narrowed my problem down to Total T and E2 ratio BUT also hypothyroidism (which mimics almost all the symptoms of low t). The endrocine system works as a complex mesh of interactions between hormones and when one part of the system is knocked out of balance it effects the others. Fixing one can sometimes fix the other (or at least improve it) but ultimately fixing the root cause is the main concern.
Take my situation for example:
I had a perfect hormone system at one stage. I got a varicocele on my testicle. Varicocele causes a combination of problems but the main one here is "over-heating" of the testicle. Since i had a varicocele that over-heated the whole testicle (the vein covered the whole thing on ultrasound scan) but thyroid altered to lower my body tempeture to keep sperm alive. My E2/T/DHT ratio were all effected which had a knock on effect on testicular blood flow. Due to poor blood flow and problems with cooling (due to varicocele) my testicle shrank in size. This in turn caused all the symptoms for me. Now thyroid itself controls metabolism, which effects all elastic tissues (or "connective tissues") such as joints, penis, etc. So when this altered it has a knock on effect on all body tissues and "could" cause penis shrinkage.
Thyroid hormone competes with other hormones such as T/E, etc. So it's all about the balance between hormones. Iodine definency can be one of the prime causes of high TSH. So it's wise to look into getting this checked too. Or at least start eating food's high in iodine such as yogart, strawberrys, etc.
Do you get cold hands and feet allot of the time? Do you have any other symptoms of hypothyroid such as dry skin?
I have spent a great deal of time studying this problem and i am willing to bet your T/E2 are out of balance for whatever reason (primary or secondary) and your TSH is somewhat elevated (i.e. 2+ like mine). It sound's possible that weed could have caused some problems and i know for a fact it CAN cause varicocele (even a sub-clinic level one would alter thyroid function due to temp control).
The good new's however is that HCG CAN work in fixing this problem because it stimulates (or down-regulates) thryoid function. I am starting HCG very soon and will keep you posted on my progress.
Do you notice any fluctations in testicular size or blood flow to the scrotum/testicles?
Flaccid size is controlled mostly by ambient enviromental temperature and thyroid controls body temperature and fundamentally "blood flow" to the penis, scrotum, hands, feet, etc. Naturally all the other steriod hormones such as E2, T, DHT, etc have to be in balance too.
I am currently on TRT (injections) but still have problems with ED, etc. Problem is hypothyroid like symptoms are holding me back from making progress because ever since adding external T my TSH has went up and up. So i need to start using HCG to down regulate TSH to improve thyroid function and ultimately improve blood flow to my hands, feet, penis, testicles, etc.
You will get to the bottom of this, it's a terrible, terrible thing but curable.
04-14-2007, 09:30 PM
I couldn't imagine my state of being if I thought my d*ck were getting smaller.
Fortunately - I can't relate - but I do empathize with you.
Best of luck.
04-15-2007, 11:48 AM
Megazoid, I do feel susceptible to the cold, maybe more than others and I break out in a lot of spots on my shoulders so I know what you are saying. The weirdist thing for instance is just walking around your own home feeling atrophied in the penis department, its not like I am under any stress in that environment. Its like all the blood goes from my penis and is sucked up by the rest of my body, especially when exercising for instance. I could be sitting down typing at my keyboard and not feel to bad so it is very confusing. With regard to thyroid and metabolism, I seem to have a very high one because I find it impossible to gain almost any weight at all and have almost no body fat.
Blood flow to the testicles/scrotum area doesn't feel terrible but I can retract a lot generally when out and about although it doesn't bother me anywhere near as feeling I have lost my penis.
I see what you are saying about adding external T effecting other things thus needing HCG to control thyroid function etc. On the subject of external T I have looked around the net a bit to find it does not always stay in tune with what is happening in the body.
Population Council | News Release | Stem Leydig Cells Discovered
That is an interesting article involving the much hyped stem cell treatment that could be a better method than current treatments for hypogonadal males like testosterone shots. I hope more comes of this in our lifetime
04-15-2007, 12:09 PM
We need to stay positive in knowing we can fix this in OUR lifetime. In the next year or so to be exact. This is a treatable illness and with proper treatment we can have completely normal lifes. I swear i will do everything i can to fix this from getting any worse.
It sound's like our builds and ultimately lifestyles are rather similar. I have always been very, very thin throughout life and never been able to gain weight. I have thin arms/wrists and no body fat. This might explain why E2 can be so low, though it's difficult to say for sure.
I am willing to bet that this is purely thyroid related in both cases. Do you ever notice any fluctations in testicular size? Do you notice your scrotum pulling up tight allot of the time?
Can you ever get erections without viagra or do you experience this strange penis shape thing too? I've had this a few times and it's very worrying. I find showering and warm heat help's a great deal which truelly makes me think this is thyroid related. I also know that hypothyroid can lead to lower body temp which would make sense in our situation.
04-15-2007, 01:57 PM
My untrusting penis takes up so much of my mind I don't really focus on my testicles to much. I haven't felt any pain or lumps so this assures me a little. Although while showering they do seem more "defined" if that makes sense? They also seem to benefit from me being sat down/relaxed etc that again like you say could be thyroid related to temperature/circulation etc
The strange penis shape and loss of sensation is something I have become accustomed to and I definitely feel better after taking a shower.
I don't get spontaneous or MW erections at all and can not be with a girl without taking viagra. The one time in recent memory I did attempt to go natural I just couldn't get turned on at all when it came to the bedroom that may be a psychological effect of dealing with this.
I beat out an erection without visual stimulation every other day as a compulsive thing that may also be psychological to justify being male to myself or something. Either way it isn't healthy
04-15-2007, 02:09 PM
Looks good. I take 5 g creatine about 3 days a week. The resveratrol thing all depends upon my money situation. Ideally i would like to take 100mg a day, not a week. But I have to make due with what I got. I wouldn't take the full 300mg dose a day though, thats way to much money on an unproven compound.
The CLA is already in flameout.
I take Egems 5 on 2 off. The 2 off days I take the ACE selenium combo.
Greens Plus I take 1 teaspoon a day not 3. Bottle lasts 90 days that way. I get tons upon tons of antioxidents anyways.
There are 2 new additions Im about to add to my supplement routine. Im about to start DIM from hormonalbalance.com. Its a highly bioavailable patented form of DIM, that is pure DIM. I do not want the other brands that contain IC3 and/or resveratrol, as in IC3 it is unproven and can have side effects, and I already take resveratrol so no sense in paying for it again. (Nobody can touch Biotest as far as quality and potency, thats why I take their resveratrol).
I am also about to start TMB as well, getting that threw LEF.
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