Androgel vs. IM Injections
- 04-06-2007, 09:54 PM
Androgel vs. IM Injections
Quick question. If Gels or Creams increase DHT levels more than Testosterone IM injections do, and DHT has a more "Hardening" effect to ones body, then assuming you felt good on the Gel/cream, would you have less bloat and a harder physique than if you were doing the IM injections? Would it be beneficial to be on gels/creams if one was trying to avoid weight gain and bloat? Also, what are, if any, the effects of DHT to ones estrogen levels vs. Test?
The reason I ask, is that I have been on shots for almost a year now and ever since I started I have gained about 13-15lbs. and I have been told I look "Puffy". I still train with weights and cardio 5 times a week and my diet is very good but yet can't seem to lose weight. So I am now thinking of going back to the Androgel to lose this extra bloat and weight.
What are everyone's thoughts. It seems there are numerous members who report that they have gained 10-15lbs since starting IM shots. Personally, I do not find this to be a benefit to HRT but rather a negative side effect as it reaks havoc on one's psyche.
Thanks for your time. . .
- 04-07-2007, 08:39 AM
04-07-2007, 10:43 AM
I am not positive but i think it has to do with DHT decreasing insulin sensitivity and disruption cortisol.Originally Posted by hardasnails1973
04-07-2007, 01:52 PM
Alot of what you are saying is true. TD's are better than injects in pretty much every way except costs. If they work for you, they are the better choice.
04-07-2007, 06:49 PM
04-07-2007, 07:08 PM
04-07-2007, 07:27 PM
T shots - 5 months -$25 (10 gallons of gas)
beauty is in an eye of beholder.
On the other hand in 1971 Poland, after 9 years of very good payng job, tradition of being frugal and heavy savings,
I did not accumulate $300 required for my airplane ticket to USA.
I value every penny I have got.
USA, such a great country.
04-08-2007, 01:01 PM
So, if one wanted to be on trt and have the best fat loss results or be on trt with the least amount of weight gain, would you suggest a gel/cream?
04-08-2007, 01:04 PM
You will soon. . .I am a patient of yours and my labs were done last week. I told you about the increase in weight and water since IM shots. I asked to try a AI but my estrogen and SHBG were right where you wanted them. Estradiol was at 25 range went to 70. I am now thinking of either coming off TRT or trying the gels because what ever well being I get from TRT is ruined by the weight gain and inability to lose weight. What you suggest?
04-08-2007, 01:39 PM
04-08-2007, 01:49 PM
04-08-2007, 02:56 PM
I agree with your statements. I was just commenting on too much of a good thing can be bad, like most things in life.Originally Posted by Dr. John
04-08-2007, 03:51 PM
Yes i am a wussy when it comes to needles always have been !!
04-08-2007, 04:46 PM
[QUOTE=Dr. John;774832]It can increase INTRAabdominal fat. QUOTE]
Visceral organs embedded in a bunch of suet -yikes!!!
04-08-2007, 04:53 PM
04-08-2007, 09:08 PM
04-08-2007, 09:11 PM
[QUOTE=magic8989;775279]REducing creame to from 10% to 5% and adding in hcg could increae progesterone which would lower the dht why I felt so good on hcg a while ago..this make sense?Originally Posted by hardasnails1973
04-08-2007, 09:20 PM
REducing creame to from 10% to 5% and adding in hcg could increae progesterone which would lower the dht why I felt so good on hcg a while ago..this make sense?[/quote]
It seems plausible actually. I never took the chance to use hcg until a week ago so I wouldn't know from experience. All I know was from the gel I was gorilla. I am already pretty hairy but when I had to shave every other day and body hair got thicker it was not cool.
04-08-2007, 09:22 PM
When using hcg and tcreames together i was so much leaner then just the tcreame by itself and had no problem pissing either with hcg and tcreame..hmmm how interesting !!
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