Low T and Tribulus
- 04-04-2007, 09:50 PM
- 04-05-2007, 12:13 AM
Yep same thing happened to me. I am only taking an educated guess here, but I think your HPTA levels you back out again after a short time, sensing the extra testosterone.
- 04-05-2007, 11:55 AM
If your natural test levels are low, all the differnet herbals that are available out there won't do squat, except make your wallet thinner..
My $.02 from personal experience..
04-05-2007, 01:05 PM
Both ZMA and Fishoil + Vit E would be a much better, cheaper bet to increase T levels and overall health and well being.
04-05-2007, 01:59 PM
04-05-2007, 03:29 PM
04-05-2007, 11:52 PM
04-06-2007, 09:40 AM
How many grams of fish oil and ZMA you taking??
Have you done before and after blood tests to support your findings
04-06-2007, 12:40 PM
I take ZMA from Biotest as well. 30mg of Zinc aspartate, 450mg of magnesium aspartate, and 10.5mg Vit B6. It can be found here - Testosterone Nation - ZMA
I trust Biotest as a company - they have continued to push out some of the best supplements as a company for years.
I also take Vitamin E from Carlsons(got the idea from Dr J, thanks!) to further enhance fish oil digestion.
My concentration, memory and mood has all improved from Fish Oil + Vit E. So has my skin. I look ridiculously young for my age.
And ZMA is great for sleep. Magnesium will knock you out.
I have only had my blood work taken once, and it was not on any supplements. I can say that, without a doubt, ZMA increases seminal fluid dramatically for me.
04-06-2007, 04:58 PM
As far as I know all ZMA is pretty much the same (and expensive) as long as it includes 30mg of Zinc, 450mg of magnesium and 10.5mg of vitamin B6 over 3 servings that is it. I definitely notice the better quality of sleep and dream patterns, what does this mean in relation to hormones? I have stopped most suppliments at the moment while getting blood work except fish oils and vit E. Them fish oils you mention are mega strong, is 4 capsules a day really neccessary? I thought anywhere between 1 and 3 would be enough including supplimenting with vitamin E.
I know from personal experience Avena Sativa must do something for releasing free testosterone because without it I was completely shrivelling off with absolutely no feeling. It gives more sexual thoughts through the day and at times a fuller penis, still low labido and ED but has provided relief for my imbalance. Until I get my T level results and more investigation I don't know my exact problem though with things such as high/low E2. It was a case of wanting to feel half human again, haven't tried other suppliments though except HGW that I found to be largely ineffective for my condition. Have you tried Super Miraforte with maximum strength Chrysin by Life Extension? Looking at the ingredients it looks a very good blend for boosting testosterone; Zinc, Chrysin, Muira puama, Maca, Nettle, Ginger and Bioperine.
04-06-2007, 06:00 PM
Anytime your getting deeper, better quality of sleep that is a good thing.
Check the label - If your ZMA is from SYNTAC(that is in conjunction with Balco) then its good stuff.
Yes, that is a mega dose of fish oil. DHA is vital for men. It does a variety of things, increasing T being one of them. Most fish oil has more EPA than DHA. This type of thinking is wrong. Men need more DHA. It is more important than EPA. It also contains CLA, and its the correct isonomer, unlike the rest of the CLA sold.
Im wary of any herbal T boosters. I have a feeling that the HTPA axis prevents alot of them from having any long term benefits. Tribulus increases LH. This is proven. But most low T men have high LH from hypogonadism. So tribulus is basically useless.
I think the best bang for your buck supplement wise are the ones I take.
04-06-2007, 06:17 PM
04-06-2007, 07:15 PM
04-06-2007, 07:20 PM
04-06-2007, 07:52 PM
Oh, no problem bro. It isn't my thread and it is all good info. But he may still be waiting on an answer and this may be confusing for him is all.
04-06-2007, 08:39 PM
I hear what you are saying about DHA and I will probably go with them fish oils when I next order, do you use E Gems Elite from Carlsons for vit E?
I don't understand CLA really but I assume it is good stuff, will have to read more. The same applies to Resveratrol and Creatine
Do you also you a good multivit like nature's way or natural factor's multi start? and a question for Hyde, what Lj100 brand are you using? I seen it is included in a "testojack" mix from Now foods including zma and tribulus.
04-06-2007, 10:58 PM
Super Omega-3 Epa/Dha With Sesame Lignans & Olive Fruit Extract, 120 Softgels
assuming that I would add
Super Cla Blend With Sesame Lignans, 1000 Mg, 120 Softgels
Wonder how would that compare with FLAMEOUT
content and money-wise.
Testosterone Nation - FLAMEOUT!
04-07-2007, 01:55 PM
You are right - ZMA at the store is expensive. Thats why I get it threw Biotest.
Yes, I use E gems elite from Carlson.
I do not take multivitamins. There just isn't one out in the market yet that I deem good enough to put in my body. All the vitamins and minerals counteract eachother, are of poor quality and don't absorb well. I havent seen a company put it together right yet. A good first start would be to seperate vitamins from minerals. Secondly, eliminate the calcium. Calcium inhibits mineral absorbtion. Either way, I will just wait till someone does it right.
CLA is a potent anti inflammatory agent. The proplem is that you need the right specific isonomer. Biotest was the first and only company to do this(no suprise).
Resveratrol has, in animal studies, been the most promising compound to come out in decades. It is expanding the life in simple organisms, preventing disease in mice/rats and preventing organ damage as well. No studies to back it up in humans yet. Im taking it anyways, at 100mg a week. That means a 35 dollar bottle lasts 72 weeks. So cost is no big deal, and if the studies dont pan out in humans Im not out of much money.
Creatine is creatine. If you lift weights, take it. I do 5g a couple days a week.
I do not take herbal T boosters. They are expensive and simply not worth the cost.
04-07-2007, 01:56 PM
04-07-2007, 03:28 PM
My main reason for starting this thread was to figure out why Tribulus only seems to help for a few weeks then Im back to having no libido, ect
I was trying to figure out if T levels straight back to where it was or what
04-07-2007, 05:04 PM
I think with this condition Tribulus etc are only short term solutions while supplimenting with zma, fish oil and vit E essentially is probably a more long term way of getting better. I haven't read anything about the long term effects on hormone levels while supplimenting with aphrodisiacs. Obviously this needs to compliment medical assesment also
Plymouth city, while supplimenting with that combination I notice you said you have improved mood and wellbeing that is very positive, I find ZMA possibly being the main reason for myself, becauseof the improved sleep/mood. I was wondering if you have had any dramatic effects to labido/flaccid wellbeing, like are the hormones engorging the blood to swell up your penis for most of the day again? Flaccid penis is a good sign of how hormones are working besides labido
04-07-2007, 06:35 PM
04-07-2007, 07:15 PM
04-08-2007, 01:35 AM
04-08-2007, 12:22 PM
04-08-2007, 12:24 PM
04-08-2007, 12:31 PM
I can't really speculate about the flaccid penis/blood flow part, because Im still pretty young (27)and have decent T levels(490) and Im in really, really good physical shape, meaning my cardiovascular condition/blood flow is great. I still get solid erections and everything down there seems normal and unchanged since my teenage years.
The only differences now is I don't get any morning wood and my drive is slightly lower, and that is probably due to the fact that my T levels are probably a few hundred points lower than they were say 5 - 10 years ago, and my estradoil is elevated at 43 (10 - 50). Supplementation hasn't changed that. But it has definitely improved my mood and memory/concentration.
I have read some stuff about people with issues that you have spoken about, and that hCG is doing wonders for them. It definitely seems to improve not just testical size/function, but blood flow to the genital area. Given what I know about the properties of fish oil and vitamin E, i would think these two would help enhance that effect.
Last edited by plymouth city; 04-08-2007 at 12:35 PM. Reason: none
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