Cream vs gel
- 04-04-2007, 12:33 PM
Cream vs gel
If a person is having a hard time absorbing the cream. Would the gel make that much of a difference and if so would it because there would be more alcohol in a gell vs a creame to help it absorb. I am due to reorder again but I do not want to spend another 50 bucks if the stuff obviously is not working. or switch to the gel or go directly to the shots? I just tired of playing around and want to get to a direct increase of testosterone.
All i know is that Dim pro is making my piss stink and dirty yellow color urine..and i am drinking tons of water 120 ounces a day !! if not more !!
- 04-04-2007, 12:44 PM
04-04-2007, 12:50 PM
04-04-2007, 05:25 PM
I noticed in other posts that you said something that being hypothyroid will cause frosting and an inability to absorb gels.
I am on 5mg Androgel and exprience frosting. My last blood test came in at 363 total (250-1100) free 79.5(46.0-224.0)
Bio 163.5 (110.0-575.0). I feel that all three are on the low side for being on 5mg of Androgel. My TSH came in at 2.48 (3.5-4.9) all from Quest Labs... That was my first TSH test and was done at 4pm after working 8 hrs... Do you think that TSH level will cause frosting and the inability to absorb the gel?
04-04-2007, 05:32 PM
Thyroid function and ability to absorb TD's go hand in hand. This was not known before. It is known now. Yes, a TSH level over 2 MAY cause issues with absorbtion.
04-04-2007, 05:46 PM
I am trying to drive testosterone production from all angles
adrenals, dhea, increasing serotonin, dopamine, thyroid you named it i tried it !! Testosterone helps to drive thyroid too (indirectly) and testosteorner is part of the puzzle that is missing. and with out testosterone its putting extra stress on my adrenals making them work harder, and possbile driving thyroid down lower even..
04-04-2007, 06:10 PM
04-04-2007, 06:31 PM
ft3 low normal 2.3 ?
its crappy bro but also got adrenal faitgue too using cortef for do not know how much longer..
This might help !for low thyroid people
When a person has had hypothyroidism for a long time, absorption of transdermal testosterone may be difficult. This is because there is a build-up of mucin (a glue-like substance) in the skin of people with hypothyroidism, which causes the skin to become thick. This is called myxedema. It can be subtle, not obvious to most physicians, who are not use to pinching the skin of their patients to gauge the thickness of the skin. Myxedema impairs absorption of transdermal testosterone - impairing treatment with transdermal testosterone.
When myxedema is present, it is better to go to testosterone injections for TRT.
04-04-2007, 08:37 PM
04-04-2007, 08:40 PM
04-04-2007, 08:57 PM
04-04-2007, 10:26 PM
04-05-2007, 11:48 AM
My PCP was giving me the script for the gels and said that the TSH level was fine, "smack dab in the middle, where I want to be". My LH FSH are below normal, (go figure) and he was not comfortable giving me HCG. So am going to see a Urologist who is a progressive thinker when it comes to TRT next weekend. I will bring him all my different blood tests in and ask him about being hypothyroid with a TSH level over 2.0
04-05-2007, 01:08 PM
04-05-2007, 01:12 PM
04-05-2007, 01:14 PM
04-05-2007, 01:17 PM
04-05-2007, 04:58 PM
FT 79.5 (46.0-224.0)
bio T 163.5 (110.0-575.0)
E2 36 (0-54)
All was done while taking 5 mg Androgel..
My PCP doc is not a bad guy. He just does not understand the cutting edge science of TRT,, hence the referal to the Urologist.. By the way, he really had to search to find someone who would want to work with me and TRT.. no endo's would cooperate..
To answer your pervious posts, t3 and t4 were not done.
Will see what the Uro. doc wants done in a few days..
04-06-2007, 01:19 PM
I would suggest you find a doc willing to work in conjunction with Dr John.
Your E2 level would be okay if your T level was double what it is, but its a bit high for a guy in his 300's.
You ABSOLUTELY need to get your thyroid stuff checked out ASAP. If thyroid funtion is not optimal, HRT is useless. T3/T4/TSH need to be checked out. Your levels are not good for someone on 5g of androgel. This may be an indicator that thyroid is not up to par. Adding in more T via a TD would be a moot point.
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