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    I injected myself at roughly 7pm last night. I did 125mg of testosterone e in an IM injection.

    Last night i got wood and was able to 'pleasure myself' without much stimulation. I went to work today and walked my usual 13 miles. When i returned home the shrinking penis act was happening again. I went into the shower and everything seem to start hanging a "bit" better (penis, testicles, etc).

    I tried to get an erection again but it was literally impossible, no matter how much stimulation it felt like blood just wasn't flowing down there at all. I could get my penis half full at best but nothing more.

    My penis felt soft and kind of like "rubber" (for lack of a better expression) and i honestly don't even think viagra would have helped in this situation. Usually when i goto sleep i wake up with a "semi" and thing's seem to have returned somewhat to normal.

    However the same thing happened again after a few hour's sleep. Could my E2 have been raised too much with the single injection? How come erections were better (though not great) on the gel but terrible on the injections?

    Can anyone shed some light on this. Why is my penis shrinking up all the time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megazoid View Post
    I injected myself at roughly 7pm last night. I did 125mg of testosterone e in an IM injection.

    Last night i got wood and was able to 'pleasure myself' without much stimulation. I went to work today and walked my usual 13 miles. When i returned home the shrinking penis act was happening again. I went into the shower and everything seem to start hanging a "bit" better (penis, testicles, etc).

    I tried to get an erection again but it was literally impossible, no matter how much stimulation it felt like blood just wasn't flowing down there at all. I could get my penis half full at best but nothing more.

    My penis felt soft and kind of like "rubber" (for lack of a better expression) and i honestly don't even think viagra would have helped in this situation. Usually when i goto sleep i wake up with a "semi" and thing's seem to have returned somewhat to normal.

    However the same thing happened again after a few hour's sleep. Could my E2 have been raised too much with the single injection? How come erections were better (though not great) on the gel but terrible on the injections?

    Can anyone shed some light on this. Why is my penis shrinking up all the time?
    Maybe its prolactin? Or the adrenalin from the walk? Adrenalin will kill an erection. Have you been taking an AI or Dim for the E2? Are you on HCG with your test inj?
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    You could also try some Yohimbine HCL (stuff is awesome)
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    Special thanks for the reply Hyde. So do you think my adrenals are being effected? I have never had problems like this on gel which made me think it might be E2/DHT related somewhat. I have taken some DIM/ZMA tonight (both) to see if that helps. Going to phone in sick to work tomorrow and see how much better i feel without that walk.

    I am doing test e only, no hcg. I think i should be using HCG but the doctor dosen't want me too. I am shooting 125mg weekly.

    How are you getting on yourself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megazoid View Post
    Special thanks for the reply Hyde. So do you think my adrenals are being effected? I have never had problems like this on gel which made me think it might be E2/DHT related somewhat. I have taken some DIM/ZMA tonight (both) to see if that helps. Going to phone in sick to work tomorrow and see how much better i feel without that walk.

    I am doing test e only, no hcg. I think i should be using HCG but the doctor dosen't want me too. I am shooting 125mg weekly.

    How are you getting on yourself?
    Have you gotten your DHT tested? Dim and Zinc are shown to lower DHT, I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megazoid View Post
    Special thanks for the reply Hyde. So do you think my adrenals are being effected? I have never had problems like this on gel which made me think it might be E2/DHT related somewhat. I have taken some DIM/ZMA tonight (both) to see if that helps. Going to phone in sick to work tomorrow and see how much better i feel without that walk.

    I am doing test e only, no hcg. I think i should be using HCG but the doctor dosen't want me too. I am shooting 125mg weekly.

    How are you getting on yourself?
    Ive had a lot more sex drive lately. Im taking an agressive amount of herbals and a small dosage of clomid. I was going to stack Clomid and Torm, but the clomid is doing a good job even at only 50mg. Hyde, turn you PM on.
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    Be careful with Yomhimbine HCL: could cause panic attacks and high blood pressure in some people.

    Also, if you are on prescribed TRT, do NOT add herbals or other stuff without your doctor's approval. That will totally confuse things.
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    I got some morning wood (wasn't great though) and it put my mind at ease that everything was still working down below. I was able to release some tension thanks to that morning wood too.

    Thing's aren't any better today and i haven't taken any suppliments except fish oils.

    I honestly think i should be taking HCG to keep my testicles at normal size (that's if they decide to respond after the varicocele has done the damage).

    I will shot 250iu HCG on monday and tuesday and see how i get on doing that. I can honestly say i think i felt better on androgel with low t levels than i did with injections. No idea why though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12 View Post
    Have you gotten your DHT tested? Dim and Zinc are shown to lower DHT, I believe.
    Hcg will also lower DHT beacuse it will cause increase up take of zinc and also that it will cause increae in progesterone which will cause decrease in DHT since progesterone is antgonistic to DHT and if you take dim it will help with keeping the estrogen metabolism in check. This probably why i felt so good on hcg because of being low on progesterone due to zinc defiecincy and that i was getting increase of testosterone and controlling the dht from the gel..
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildfox View Post
    Be careful with Yomhimbine HCL: could cause panic attacks and high blood pressure in some people.

    Also, if you are on prescribed TRT, do NOT add herbals or other stuff without your doctor's approval. That will totally confuse things.
    Thanks for the advice. Im not on TRT. Ive used Yohimbe many times in the past (just recently switched to yohimbine HCL). I absolutely love the stuff and my wife does too It works magic. I remember using it when I was 17. Yohimbine HCL is so much cleaner than regular Yohimbe and I dont feel any of the voodoo effects. Regular Yohimbe works better in the sexual departement than Yohimbine for some reason. I am telling you, this stuff will make your penis harder than viagra without any flushing. My favorite one is the twin lab Mega Yohimbie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Hcg will also lower DHT beacuse it will cause increase up take of zinc and also that it will cause increae in progesterone which will cause decrease in DHT since progesterone is antgonistic to DHT and if you take dim it will help with keeping the estrogen metabolism in check. This probably why i felt so good on hcg because of being low on progesterone due to zinc defiecincy and that i was getting increase of testosterone and controlling the dht from the gel..
    I dont know why DHT has such a bad rep (maybe because of the balding issue) DHT is necessary for sexual function and it lowers Estrogen as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12 View Post
    I dont know why DHT has such a bad rep (maybe because of the balding issue) DHT is necessary for sexual function and it lowers Estrogen as well.
    Are you saying to keep DHT whatewer it is and just worry about E2?

    How to get TotalE down, mine is sky high?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Are you saying to keep DHT whatewer it is and just worry about E2?

    How to get TotalE down, mine is sky high?
    That what Im saying, but thats just my opinion. Now they say that Estrogen NOT DHT is responsible for BPH! I know that they do have a transdermal DHT (used for breast cancer I believe) available in the US by RX only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12 View Post
    That what Im saying, but thats just my opinion. Now they say that Estrogen NOT DHT is responsible for BPH! I know that they do have a transdermal DHT (used for breast cancer I believe) available in the US by RX only.
    How to get TotalE down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John View Post
    50mg Clomid is twice what Dr. Shippen and I use.
    I only took it for about 10 days and I think that was the kick that I needed to get things back on track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildfox View Post
    Be careful with Yomhimbine HCL: could cause panic attacks and high blood pressure in some people.

    Also, if you are on prescribed TRT, do NOT add herbals or other stuff without your doctor's approval. That will totally confuse things.
    Did that for me as well - I got some pretty bad anxiety, panic feelings and such. Felt flush as well. I did feel like it boosted my endurance tremendously - it felt like I could do endless amounts of cardio if I wanted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plymouth city View Post
    Did that for me as well - I got some pretty bad anxiety, panic feelings and such. Felt flush as well. I did feel like it boosted my endurance tremendously - it felt like I could do endless amounts of cardio if I wanted.
    I guess everyone responds differently. I can take upwards of 20mg of Yohimbine HCL ED and still not feel much in the way of side effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12 View Post
    I guess everyone responds differently. I can take upwards of 20mg of Yohimbine HCL ED and still not feel much in the way of side effects.
    Hyde I have severe ED and shrinking symptoms possibly caused by low T and am awaiting some kind of diagnosis starting with my Testosterone blood levels at the moment. As you can imagine with this I have been avoiding sex and feeling very awkward with any situations leading to it. I was going to go with Avena Sativa that apparently frees up bound testosterone in the blood and is an approved homeopathic product when sold under the name vigorexforte. How is yohimbe for general wellbeing for example would you say it increased morning wood? I have forgotten what that is! I did a search and seen Actionlabs sell this as strong as 2000mg! with additional ingredients such as calcium, magnesium and zinc, is this neccessary for fast results? Other than this I have been taking DIM and ZMA plus supplimenting with vitamin E. Please let me know any positive herb effects or otherwise even if it means short term relief. Do you have any experience with Muira puama or maca? There is supposed to be an almost certain elevation in free testosterone using Super MiraForte by Life Extension but this is quite expensive but if it works I guess its worth it
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjones84 View Post
    Hyde I have severe ED and shrinking symptoms possibly caused by low T and am awaiting some kind of diagnosis starting with my Testosterone blood levels at the moment. As you can imagine with this I have been avoiding sex and feeling very awkward with any situations leading to it. I was going to go with Avena Sativa that apparently frees up bound testosterone in the blood and is an approved homeopathic product when sold under the name vigorexforte. How is yohimbe for general wellbeing for example would you say it increased morning wood? I have forgotten what that is! I did a search and seen Actionlabs sell this as strong as 2000mg! with additional ingredients such as calcium, magnesium and zinc, is this neccessary for fast results? Other than this I have been taking DIM and ZMA plus supplimenting with vitamin E. Please let me know any positive herb effects or otherwise even if it means short term relief. Do you have any experience with Muira puama or maca? There is supposed to be an almost certain elevation in free testosterone using Super MiraForte by Life Extension but this is quite expensive but if it works I guess its worth it
    Get good blood test, find out what is your problem.
    Thake it from there.
    Did I mention GOOD blood test.
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    Stop taking all that stuff and then get tested clean. Just doing supplements with out knowing your low or high is dam crazy. Your doing DIM and don't even know if you E2 is high or normal now that you doing DIM you can be to dam low this is just as bad as to high.
    Quote Originally Posted by cjones84 View Post
    Hyde I have severe ED and shrinking symptoms possibly caused by low T and am awaiting some kind of diagnosis starting with my Testosterone blood levels at the moment. As you can imagine with this I have been avoiding sex and feeling very awkward with any situations leading to it. I was going to go with Avena Sativa that apparently frees up bound testosterone in the blood and is an approved homeopathic product when sold under the name vigorexforte. How is yohimbe for general wellbeing for example would you say it increased morning wood? I have forgotten what that is! I did a search and seen Actionlabs sell this as strong as 2000mg! with additional ingredients such as calcium, magnesium and zinc, is this neccessary for fast results? Other than this I have been taking DIM and ZMA plus supplimenting with vitamin E. Please let me know any positive herb effects or otherwise even if it means short term relief. Do you have any experience with Muira puama or maca? There is supposed to be an almost certain elevation in free testosterone using Super MiraForte by Life Extension but this is quite expensive but if it works I guess its worth it
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjones84 View Post
    Hyde I have severe ED and shrinking symptoms possibly caused by low T and am awaiting some kind of diagnosis starting with my Testosterone blood levels at the moment. As you can imagine with this I have been avoiding sex and feeling very awkward with any situations leading to it. I was going to go with Avena Sativa that apparently frees up bound testosterone in the blood and is an approved homeopathic product when sold under the name vigorexforte. How is yohimbe for general wellbeing for example would you say it increased morning wood? I have forgotten what that is! I did a search and seen Actionlabs sell this as strong as 2000mg! with additional ingredients such as calcium, magnesium and zinc, is this neccessary for fast results? Other than this I have been taking DIM and ZMA plus supplimenting with vitamin E. Please let me know any positive herb effects or otherwise even if it means short term relief. Do you have any experience with Muira puama or maca? There is supposed to be an almost certain elevation in free testosterone using Super MiraForte by Life Extension but this is quite expensive but if it works I guess its worth it
    Avena is really good, I buy it in bulk and take about 4-5 grams per day. The best supplement by far is Powerfull (super Muira Puama) by USP labs (truely amazing). I take about 5 grams of that and libido is kickin. Yohime increases Norepineherine (and blood pressure) and I notice a definate increase in penile hardness.
    I hate DIM. I tried to jump on that band wagon and that stuff blew. Vitamin E is good for you heart and blood flow (good alternative to NSAID). I noticed a decrease in sex drive on zinc.

    Im also NOT on TRT....and you do need bloodwork
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    I have had blood work done for general health and it came back ok. I am currently awaiting the results for my testosterone levels. The thing that really bothers me is walking around feeling that nothing is there when I was self assured at one time, I am still young and want some confidence back! I will stop taking DIM I agree it is kind of crazy since I am being my own advocate on this, all I know is my labido and quality of life has diminished rapidly. Also being in the UK if you mention a possible hormone imbalance with your GP they look at you like you have three heads and say how unlikely it is, then fit you into the hypochondriac bracket. I had to insist on getting this checked and hopefully I will get more blood work done after this. Vitamin E, and avena seem a good way of relieving some of the discomfort living with this for the time being. Avena acts so quickly its amazing at the very least relieving my fear of the atrophy my penis has suffered, probably from testosterone deficiency. I start to feel human again! Have you ever supplimented with anything like Nettle or quercetin? I read that Chrysin is a mild aromatase inhibitor also
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    cjones84, never knew you were in the UK also. I am myself and i know the feeling with GP's. Just make sure you speak in there language. Just tell them you have low testosterone symptoms and low libido. Don't speak about the shrinkage, etc.

    Trust me when i say this, you're penis will come back. I went for 8/9 months with my penis shrunk up to nothing (i am usually pretty big - above average) and it was sole destroying to say the least. Because our builds seem similar be careful of using ANY suppliments. I have just found out all my symptoms are caused by LOW E2 (estridol) rather than high which can ALSO cause the shrinkage! It's about getting the perfect balance rather than removing one from the equation.

    I recommend you get a good water intake daily, stop all suppliments except a good multi-vit and fish oils. Nothing more. This will keep you good until you get blood work done. Ignore all Zinc, ZMA, DIM, etc because it could be worse for you than good. Low E2 is just as bad as high and we don't know what is causing the penis shrinakge for you (could be low or high E2, low free t, etc). Wait till the blood work comes back.

    Where about in the UK do you live (if you don't mind me asking)? What did you say to your GP when you spoke to him?

    Hyde has offered some good advice. Vit E is good stuff but don't over do it.
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    Due to varicocele i am on Test E injections at 125mg weekly. So far so good, only been on them for 2 week's so far but my penis has came back and hanging allot better. Erections aren't super easy to get but better than before and allot fuller. I can actually have sex now, though i like to add viagra for confidence issues and to please my girl.

    I think Hyde and a few others want me to try a PCT style restart and i think the guy's are right tbh. For a few months i am going to stay on TRT (weekly injections) so i can have a quality of life while trying to fix myself. I am going to start HCG 2/3 times weekly (2 days before my next injection and on injection day) at 250iu each time (IM injection). Will run this for a few months and if my nut's come back to normal size (like before) i will start a PCT restart and see how i get on going solo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megazoid View Post
    Due to varicocele i am on Test E injections at 125mg weekly. So far so good, only been on them for 2 week's so far but my penis has came back and hanging allot better. Erections aren't super easy to get but better than before and allot fuller. I can actually have sex now, though i like to add viagra for confidence issues and to please my girl.

    I think Hyde and a few others want me to try a post cycle therapy style restart and i think the guy's are right tbh. For a few months i am going to stay on TRT (weekly injections) so i can have a quality of life while trying to fix myself. I am going to start HCG 2/3 times weekly (2 days before my next injection and on injection day) at 250iu each time (IM injection). Will run this for a few months and if my nut's come back to normal size (like before) i will start a PCT restart and see how i get on going solo.
    Megazoid, your nuts will never get back to normal size on TRT because you are shut down, just like you would be if you were on AAS (which you essenially are).
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    True Hyde, but i am going to use HCG soon on day's 5 and 6 of my weekly injection (and possibly on injection day). I will shoot 250iu each time and try to get my nut's back to normal size. I waited 2 months off TRT (and my LH/FSH went back to normal in a week - according to blood test) and seen NO improvements in size or function (felt like total crap). So basically i think i need HCG to restart thing's and get my nut's working right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megazoid View Post
    cjones84, never knew you were in the UK also. I am myself and i know the feeling with GP's. Just make sure you speak in there language. Just tell them you have low testosterone symptoms and low libido. Don't speak about the shrinkage, etc.

    Trust me when i say this, you're penis will come back. I went for 8/9 months with my penis shrunk up to nothing (i am usually pretty big - above average) and it was sole destroying to say the least. Because our builds seem similar be careful of using ANY suppliments. I have just found out all my symptoms are caused by LOW E2 (estridol) rather than high which can ALSO cause the shrinkage! It's about getting the perfect balance rather than removing one from the equation.

    I recommend you get a good water intake daily, stop all suppliments except a good multi-vit and fish oils. Nothing more. This will keep you good until you get blood work done. Ignore all Zinc, ZMA, DIM, etc because it could be worse for you than good. Low E2 is just as bad as high and we don't know what is causing the penis shrinakge for you (could be low or high E2, low free t, etc). Wait till the blood work comes back.

    Where about in the UK do you live (if you don't mind me asking)? What did you say to your GP when you spoke to him?

    Hyde has offered some good advice. Vit E is good stuff but don't over do it.

    Hi Megazoid, I am in Lancashire. I told the GP I had practically lost all sensation down there and I couldn't get stimulated at all visually. He said for my age 99% of the time it is psychological and a symptom of depression/anxiety that I have been prone to (is it any wonder?) but I explained I think that the low free T symptoms are causing this i.e. replicating symptoms of depression. For instance it is definitely NOT through a lack of interest in sex being the reason I am avoiding it. If I was functioning as normal getting MW, spontanious erections etc I would be fine but he didn't seem to think in terms of hormones and I was told if my T levels come back "normal" then it must be something else. This whole thing has definitely taken away my sexual confidence and self-belief, I hope you are right and I can get my life back. I always try to stay positive but it wears you down I am currently trying to explore some relaxation exercises like meditation to stop this stressing me all the time

    A note on vitamin E, I currently take a low dose 100IU compared to 400 etc because I had never supplemented with this before. I don't know if applying a good Vit E creme daily could also be helpful for penis health in general with these symptoms? Just a thought
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12 View Post
    Megazoid, your nuts will never get back to normal size on TRT because you are shut down, just like you would be if you were on anabolic steroids (which you essenially are).
    Hyde12;
    I need little education if you do not mind, please.

    Testicles condition, there are at least two possibilities (of interest to me):
    1. Able to be fully operational, or almost, able to produce required amount of T
    2. Able to be partially operational, able to produce, say half of required T

    I think I am case #2 (TotalT~300, at start of supplementation)
    Looking for a best possible solution.
    Started 4 years ago with T only, testicles shrunk to nothing.
    Two months ago, added HCG 250IU every other day, Today shot #30.
    After about shot #15 my testicles got to its present level, nice but only about 3/4 full,
    definitely not hard as stone as they were in my hey days, I am 67yo.

    Should I just be happy with what I got, (not such a bad deal)
    work on my estrogenes levels and enjoy my dancing and weekly weight lifting,
    or, should I search for better possibilities.

    Testicles function is supported by LH and FSH.
    Suplementation with HCG replaced my missing LH.
    I am still mising FSH,
    that is why the missing last 1/4 of fullness and ejaculation volume.

    Hyde12,
    describe my options, please:
    any of these, or something else;

    Pergonal
    Clomid,
    Nolva,
    ---------------
    I assumed that for me, there is no possibility of getting to #1, ie.;
    full testicles recovery (and production)
    is that correct assumption?
    .
    ============================== ============================
    IVF pharmacies, fertility drugs, infertility drugs, and medications
    Clomiphene Citrate - brand names of Clomid and Serophene
    Human Menopausal Gonadotropin or hMG - brand names of Repronex, Humegon, and Pergonal
    Follicle Stimulating Hormone or FSH - brand names of Gonal-F, Follistim, Fertinex, and Bravelle
    Human Chorionic Gonadotropin or hCG - brand names of Profasi, Ovudrel, and Pregnyl (I am using NOVAREL)
    Progesterone (I am usimg pregnenolone cream, 100mg/1gram)
    Leuprolide Acetate - brand name of Lupron
    GnRH Antagonist - brand names of Antagon and Cetrotide
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Hyde12;
    I need little education if you do not mind, please.

    Testicles condition, there are at least two possibilities (of interest to me):
    1. Able to be fully operational, or almost, able to produce required amount of T
    2. Able to be partially operational, able to produce, say half of required T

    I think I am case #2 (TotalT~300, at start of supplementation)
    Looking for a best possible solution.
    Started 4 years ago with T only, testicles shrunk to nothing.
    Two months ago, added HCG 250IU every other day, Today shot #30.
    After about shot #15 my testicles got to its present level, nice but only about 3/4 full,
    definitely not hard as stone as they were in my hey days, I am 67yo.

    Should I just be happy with what I got, (not such a bad deal)
    work on my estrogenes levels and enjoy my dancing and weekly weight lifting,
    or, should I search for better possibilities.

    Testicles function is supported by LH and FSH.
    Suplementation with HCG replaced my missing LH.
    I am still mising FSH,
    that is why the missing last 1/4 of fullness and ejaculation volume.

    Hyde12,
    describe my options, please:
    any of these, or something else;

    Pergonal
    Clomid,
    Nolva,
    ---------------
    I assumed that for me, there is no possibility of getting to #1, ie.;
    full testicles recovery (and production)
    is that correct assumption?
    .
    ============================== ============================
    IVF pharmacies, fertility drugs, infertility drugs, and medications
    Clomiphene Citrate - brand names of Clomid and Serophene
    Human Menopausal Gonadotropin or hMG - brand names of Repronex, Humegon, and Pergonal
    Follicle Stimulating Hormone or FSH - brand names of Gonal-F, Follistim, Fertinex, and Bravelle
    Human Chorionic Gonadotropin or hCG - brand names of Profasi, Ovudrel, and Pregnyl (I am using NOVAREL)
    Progesterone (I am usimg pregnenolone cream, 100mg/1gram)
    Leuprolide Acetate - brand name of Lupron
    GnRH Antagonist - brand names of Antagon and Cetrotide
    That amount of Testosterone seems normal for someone who is 67yrs old, what is your test levels on TRT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Hyde12;
    I need little education if you do not mind, please.

    Testicles condition, there are at least two possibilities (of interest to me):
    1. Able to be fully operational, or almost, able to produce required amount of T
    2. Able to be partially operational, able to produce, say half of required T

    I think I am case #2 (TotalT~300, at start of supplementation)
    Looking for a best possible solution.
    Started 4 years ago with T only, testicles shrunk to nothing.
    Two months ago, added HCG 250IU every other day, Today shot #30.
    After about shot #15 my testicles got to its present level, nice but only about 3/4 full,
    definitely not hard as stone as they were in my hey days, I am 67yo.

    Should I just be happy with what I got, (not such a bad deal)
    work on my estrogenes levels and enjoy my dancing and weekly weight lifting,
    or, should I search for better possibilities.

    Testicles function is supported by LH and FSH.
    Suplementation with HCG replaced my missing LH.
    I am still mising FSH,
    that is why the missing last 1/4 of fullness and ejaculation volume.

    Hyde12,
    describe my options, please:
    any of these, or something else;

    Pergonal
    Clomid,
    Nolva,
    ---------------
    I assumed that for me, there is no possibility of getting to #1, ie.;
    full testicles recovery (and production)
    is that correct assumption?
    .
    ============================== ============================
    IVF pharmacies, fertility drugs, infertility drugs, and medications
    Clomiphene Citrate - brand names of Clomid and Serophene
    Human Menopausal Gonadotropin or hMG - brand names of Repronex, Humegon, and Pergonal
    Follicle Stimulating Hormone or FSH - brand names of Gonal-F, Follistim, Fertinex, and Bravelle
    Human Chorionic Gonadotropin or hCG - brand names of Profasi, Ovudrel, and Pregnyl (I am using NOVAREL)
    Progesterone (I am usimg pregnenolone cream, 100mg/1gram)
    Leuprolide Acetate - brand name of Lupron
    GnRH Antagonist - brand names of Antagon and Cetrotide
    I would run the Clomid@50mg ED. Dr. John recommends 25mg ED. Of course for the Clomid to work, you would have to stop TRT, but if it doesnt work then you could always go back on TRT...its worth a shot bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12 View Post
    I would run the Clomid@50mg ED. Dr. John recommends 25mg ED. Of course for the Clomid to work, you would have to stop TRT, but if it doesnt work then you could always go back on TRT...its worth a shot bro.
    I am using HCG now, testicles are "almost" recovered size vise.
    I think, I should expect them to produce Testosterone now, am I right?

    Explain function provided by Clomid?
    (I think it will make sure that I restart my own LH & FSH production, right??)
    ============================== =================
    Why should I do all this "restart", what have changed?
    Previously my testicles were not able to produce enough T while my LH=5.7(1.5-9.3)

    Now, they rested for 4 years, but they are also 4 years older.
    Why should I think that they are up to the task now?
    .
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    I am using HCG now, testicles are "almost" recovered size vise.
    I think, I should expect them to produce Testosterone now, am I right?

    Explain function provided by Clomid?
    (I think it will make sure that I restart my own LH & FSH production, right??)
    ============================== =================
    Why should I do all this "restart", what have changed?
    Previously my testicles were not able to produce enough T while my LH=5.7(1.5-9.3)

    Now, they rested for 4 years, but they are also 4 years older.
    Why should I think that they are up to the task now?
    .
    I had a bad PCT about 8 months ago and didnt include a SERM. I added clomid and my nuts grew like wild fire. Clomid may not work on you since you LH and FSH were already high. So, you have primary hypogonadism? What is your DHT levels? Is Proviron available in your area by RX?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde12 View Post
    I had a bad post cycle therapy about 8 months ago and didnt include a SERM. I added clomid and my nuts grew like wild fire. Clomid may not work on you since you LH and FSH were already high. So, you have primary hypogonadism? What is your DHT levels? Is Proviron available in your area by RX?
    My DHT was very high on my last test, oct/2006.
    DHT=226 ng/dL(30-85)
    before that I was using Avodart 1 tab daily, DHT=29(5/5/2006)
    I am not sure, but after my comming blood test, maybe I should go back to Avodart, say 1 tab every other day??
    I have to get up at night 4-5 times, like every 1.5 hour. OTOH, Avodart did not really helped with getting up at night.
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    Since we are so young, is this something that will always remain an imbalance? I am starting to lose all hope I can't believe I am like this now, it feels like amputation except you don't get much care and understanding from a lot of people. Even the whole "anti-ageing" thing, im shocked I feel I have the hormones of a 70 year old. How can your hormones deteriorate so young? At 22 I should be enjoying life instead I am constantly thinking of wanting it to end and feeling I will never be truly happy again. I don't know maybe a modern day witch doctor fixes this aswell, maybe not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjones84 View Post
    Since we are so young, is this something that will always remain an imbalance? I am starting to lose all hope I can't believe I am like this now, it feels like amputation except you don't get much care and understanding from a lot of people. Even the whole "anti-ageing" thing, im shocked I feel I have the hormones of a 70 year old. How can your hormones deteriorate so young? At 22 I should be enjoying life instead I am constantly thinking of wanting it to end and feeling I will never be truly happy again. I don't know maybe a modern day witch doctor fixes this aswell, maybe not?
    I understand all too well what you mean. My problems developed when I was around 20. I too avoided sex for the last 10 or so years (31 now) and feel those years were WASTED!!! Atleast it's 2007 and there are forums like this to get information and many therapies available today. You are young, try to get this figured out and not give up. I wish this forum would have been available to me at 22. Good luck bro.
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    Easy to say, but stay positive. This is a treatable condition (a terrible and horrofic one) but treatable. I am in a **** situation myself without but thankfully haven't developed complete ED. I am doing weekly injections right now and going to be adding HCG in very soon.

    I will beat this and so will everyone one else that stay's strong and deal's with it like a man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megazoid View Post
    Easy to say, but stay positive. This is a treatable condition (a terrible and horrofic one) but treatable. I am in a **** situation myself without but thankfully haven't developed complete ED. I am doing weekly injections right now and going to be adding HCG in very soon.

    I will beat this and so will everyone one else that stay's strong and deal's with it like a man.

    That's the spirit. Now THERE'S the Scotsman coming out in you!!!!
  

  
 

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