Each and every testosterone supplementation will make that signal.
We use HCG to overcome that and stimulate testicles to make any T that they are still capable of producing.
Yeah, But I heard from a very reputable source to avoid creams (whether I need TRT or not, whether I'm 37 or 67yrs old) and, if trt is appropriate, try and attain the gains by stimulating naturally OR use injections....
Also heard that user cant get muscle gains from cream, yet from cypionate, for ex, gains may be achieved...
So heres my question...what level does a healthy active athletic male of say, just for examples sake (lol) 37 yrs old, optimum test level? IGF level? E2 level?
And , just for examples sake, say your baseline was 500...What could level could you expect to reach using HCG alone..? In conjunction w/TEST? W/HGH also..?
I think that the "reputable" source is full of it.
Certain level of testosterone level in the blood is all that counts no matter how it got there. Cream, gells, implants are probably better than injections because they keep the level steady. Injections are causing levels to fluctuate.
I think there is no optimum test level, we are really worrying about FreeT and BioavailableT. But they in turn depend on other factors, mostly SHBG, Albumin, but also Estrogens and Thyroid, probably others. So the standard answer is that as a first approximation we want to get the TotalT into about 750. Then at the same time work on the other factors. When everything else is optimized, I would say that at that point one would like to look at FreeT and BAT and try to set them as closes as possible to
Freet=199(pmol/L)
BAT=5.5(nmol/L)
This numbers are the best I could find, and it is from
----http://www.atypon-link.com/WDG/doi/pdf/10.1515/JLM.2006.050
Tables 2&4 (recent, 2006 data)
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Using T supplements will shut down testicles, we want to use small amount of HCG, 100IU every day, or 250IU every other day, to keep the testicles in cosmetic shape and also producing any T that they are capable, plus possible other unknown benefits. If testicles are producing T, one would use less of Tcream, just enough to arrive at this ideal balance of FreeT and BAT.
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