- 03-05-2007, 02:21 PM
My endo started me on 2.5g androgel. Did this for approx 6 wks w/ no change felt (test actually dropped). He increased to 5g per day. Have been on this for about 4 wks. Not feeling a whole lot different yet. One thing I did notice was my nuts seem to be disappearing. The right seems to have gotten real shy and likes to stay sucked up inside me more often than not. This sucks. I mentioned HCG and he said my testes were atrophied (sp) to begin w/ and this really wouldn't help. Any ideas? thanks...
- 03-05-2007, 02:28 PM
GET A NEW DR
You will probably be stuck on 5 grams a day numbers in mid low range and feeling like crap and Dr will not do anything and say "your in the range" and then send you to a shrink for psych evaluation. Been there did that done that..It was actually fun with the shrink because my GF iis studying to be come a psychiatrists and I had to help her study for her tests. So when he was analyzing me I turned it around on him and he had no clue untill at the end I mentioned all the techniques he was using and theories applied. His mouth literally hit the ground and I walked out and told him have a nice day..
- 03-05-2007, 02:44 PM
03-06-2007, 11:56 PM
Heres an example, subject-A, whom I am personally familiar with, testing looked like this: First test, very low t, started on 5g,3 weeks retested, t went down lower, started 7.5g, 3 weeks retested, levels way up, staying at 7.5, retest again in 3 months.
Not perfect, but compared to what your endo is putting you through, subject-A had his levels normalized in about 6-7 weeks, where as your guy had you essentially shutdown bad for 6 weeks. Its no wonder you have atrophy.
Find another doctor, the experts here Im sure will agree with this. Apparently endos are the last ones anyone wants to see for trt treatment.
I hope things get better for you.
03-07-2007, 12:40 AM
I used it but now switched to Tcream from womensinternational, 100mg/1gram.
After experimenting I ended up with 7.5 gram of Androgel, now changed to 0.75gram of Tcream
Plus 5 pills of Dual-Action (DIM) and 1000mg TMG, both from LEF. I also use 250Iu HCG (Novarel) every other day.
Your 5gram dose of Androgel looks small, but enough to shrink your balls and end up with less T than you have started with.
03-07-2007, 07:01 AM
What were your levels on 75mg of androgel and what were they on 75mg of cream asuming you had tests done with everything else being equal such as adex dosage and hcg protocol.
03-07-2007, 09:19 AM
03-09-2007, 12:21 PM
03-09-2007, 12:40 PM
I put gel around 10Am-12noon
On the day of a blood draw (8AM) I was about 22hours from last Androgel application.
Now the 0.75gram Tcream I put on my calf, area about 3"x6", after about 30 minutes I put my pants on. I did not blood tested yet, I also eat 6 pills of LEF DIM+I3C and 1000TMG also from LEF.
Had nice wood in the morning hours. My last Cialis was last Saturday.
Couple days ago I got to 4grains Armour and 10mg Cortef.
Must say, do not see much difference from this, pulse did not changed, only temperature level is slightly higher than before Armour but still fluctuates, 36.0C=96.8F to 37.C=98.6F. But mostly it is around 36.4C=97.58.
At my younger years my temperature was mostly 36.6C=97.88F
or anybody with information;
while I have your attention,
Year and half ago I had surgery for sarcoma, lipo-sarcoma in my left thigh.
Now I would like to try HGH.
What do you know about contra-indications.
03-10-2007, 03:42 PM
03-17-2007, 06:39 PM
03-17-2007, 07:43 PM
but my shbg doubled and dht trippled LOL. I have gotten better response in the past from HCG and armidex. What sucks is I got all the tools right now but I just do not know how to put them together to be efficeinct and do not want to go trying anything else with out notifying dr. Dr john mentioned the gel, but would one go to the 10% or 5%. The creame I have feels so gritty and have to apply it to large space to get it to absorb and has not been absorbed for past 5 monts because i had to get insurance to get tested. my boobs are hurting and consitpation is a real *****, and not being able to pee either i think adding in the DHEA with estrogen imbalance was not a wise part on my dr, but like always "Everything looks normal and treat the low factors"
03-17-2007, 09:34 PM
Just put on a skin as much as need to get desired blood level.
If you use different concentration of gel or cream you will not know where you end up unless tested. Put it on, wait, test, flush, repeat.
Mystery starts when life interferes, job change, insurance change and so on. Sometime we just pay price because we can't stick to one routine for one reason or another.
I am about month and half after I changed my routine
started Tcream, HCG, Cortef, Armour
increased DIM, I3C, TMG
After I do blood test I will be able to find out where I am, for now I feel just about the same, got balls, did not loose but not realy improved much on erections.
I use shake that once you posted.
There is a rice bran there, increase on amount of rice bran, it should ease your constipation.
Are you taking DIM+I3C and TMG
may help estrogens and indirectly prostate.
In realy hard time try Flomax, need script for that.
Flomax lowers blood pressure so watch out.
03-17-2007, 09:46 PM
with higher concentration there is smaler skin area required.
10grams of gel is a lot, takes lots of space.
10% Tcream 3"x6" area, small.
Androgel soaks in fast, in few minutes skin is dry.
Tcream takes 15-20 minutes but since area is small it does not matter. I put Tcream on my calf, roll up a leg or just for a while walk with out pants around house.
I like Tcream better, specially because I have a infant grandson around.
03-17-2007, 11:12 PM
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