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    My question is if I am taking arimidex do I need to take dim or tmg? Is it still beneficial?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete073 View Post
    My question is if I am taking arimidex do I need to take dim or tmg? Is it still beneficial?
    I would ask your treating doctor first. DIM and TMG are most beneficial if you have had a urine profile that shows 4 hydroxyestradiol and/or 16a-Hydroyestrone is elevated. They are harmful estrogen metabolites that may be cancerous. DIM and TMG redirects your body to produce more healthy estrogens that are much less harmful and more readily excreted by the liver. But, again, everyone is different and your treating doctor would be able to inform you better. I made the mistake of taking many OTCs before asking Dr. John, my treating doctor. He wasn't too happy and said that the wrong OTCs can disrupt lab results and interfer with his treatment. Don't make the same mistake. Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanecore View Post
    I would ask your treating doctor first. DIM and TMG are most beneficial if you have had a urine profile that shows 4 hydroxyestradiol and/or 16a-Hydroyestrone is elevated. They are harmful estrogen metabolites that may be cancerous. DIM and TMG redirects your body to produce more healthy estrogens that are much less harmful and more readily excreted by the liver. But, again, everyone is different and your treating doctor would be able to inform you better. I made the mistake of taking many OTCs before asking Dr. John, my treating doctor. He wasn't too happy and said that the wrong OTCs can disrupt lab results and interfer with his treatment. Don't make the same mistake. Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanecore View Post
    I would ask your treating doctor first. DIM and TMG are most beneficial if you have had a urine profile that shows 4 hydroxyestradiol and/or 16a-Hydroyestrone is elevated. They are harmful estrogen metabolites that may be cancerous. DIM and TMG redirects your body to produce more healthy estrogens that are much less harmful and more readily excreted by the liver. But, again, everyone is different and your treating doctor would be able to inform you better. I made the mistake of taking many OTCs before asking Dr. John, my treating doctor. He wasn't too happy and said that the wrong OTCs can disrupt lab results and interfer with his treatment. Don't make the same mistake. Good luck.
    It is a great tid bit of information.
    Clearly and concisely put together.
    Please share few more if you have them.
    Knowing this can make patients life easier and also keep him on the right side of his doctor.
    What do you ask for when you do urine profile?
    Are Quest Diagnostics or LabCorp doing them, how to ask for it?
    I am taking multitude of OTC's, what to stop and for how long, before the test?
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    How to deal with high DHT? and high TotalEstrogens?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
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    How to deal with high DHT? and high TotalEstrogens?
    How much and what kind of T and AI are you on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by plymouth city View Post
    How much and what kind of T and AI are you on?
    I was on 10mgAndrogel for quite sometime.
    Used Arimidex, did not feel right, changed to DIM from LEF, Dual-Action, two daily.
    Most of the time I used Avodart, one daily.
    I changed recently to 100mg/1gram Tcream, use 1gram/day
    keep my DIM and Avodart. Added 250HCG, Novarel, every other day. I am still toying with changing Avodart to one pill every other day on suggestion (for experiment) from a doctor at LEF. She likes my 2 DIM's but no more.
    Overall I feel good but I know that my libido have a lot of room for improvement.
    I will do my next routine adjustments after my blood test end of March.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    I was on 10mgAndrogel for quite sometime.
    Used Arimidex, did not feel right, changed to DIM from LEF, Dual-Action, two daily.
    Most of the time I used Avodart, one daily.
    I changed recently to 100mg/1gram Tcream, use 1gram/day
    keep my DIM and Avodart. Added 250HCG, Novarel, every other day. I am still toying with changing Avodart to one pill every other day on suggestion (for experiment) from a doctor at LEF. She likes my 2 DIM's but no more.
    Overall I feel good but I know that my libido have a lot of room for improvement.
    I will do my next routine adjustments after my blood test end of March.
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    You can get estrodex test from metametrix by dr for 70 bucks (insurance covered it) to test your bad to good ratio of estrogen that would answer your question to how much DIm you needed. and take guessing games out of it thats for sure..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanecore View Post
    DIM and TMG are most beneficial if you have had a urine profile that shows 4 hydroxyestradiol and/or 16a-Hydroyestrone is elevated. They are harmful estrogen metabolites that may be cancerous. DIM and TMG redirects your body to produce more healthy estrogens that are much less harmful and more readily excreted by the liver.
    Ok,
    Rhein Consulting Laboratories
    does the urine test ($225)
    Estrone (E1) {2-Hydroxyestrone , 16a-Hydroxyestrone }
    Estradiol (E2) {they do not list (4 hydroxyestradiol) so I am not sure here)}
    Estriol (E3)
    -------------------
    Question, how much DIM and TMG to use to make a difference?
    Specially how to figure out a dose of DIM.
    Everybody and his brother describes his DIM differently.
    For example in this study
    Entrez PubMed
    they used (108 mg DIM/day) (BioResponse-DIM)
    I would like to translate that amount of DIM to number of Indolplex pills.
    Similar question on DIM content in Estro-Block plus I3C

    PhytoPharmica Indolplex with DIM
    -----
    BioResponse Nutrients
    Diindolylmethane DIM
    -----
    Estroblock with I3C 60 count
    Ingredient Listing
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Ok,
    Rhein Consulting Laboratories
    does the urine test ($225)
    Estrone (E1) {2-Hydroxyestrone , 16a-Hydroxyestrone }
    Estradiol (E2) {they do not list (4 hydroxyestradiol) so I am not sure here)}
    Estriol (E3)
    -------------------
    Question, how much DIM and TMG to use to make a difference?
    Specially how to figure out a dose of DIM.
    Everybody and his brother describes his DIM differently.
    For example in this study
    Entrez PubMed
    they used (108 mg DIM/day) (BioResponse-DIM)
    I would like to translate that amount of DIM to number of Indolplex pills.
    Similar question on DIM content in Estro-Block plus I3C

    PhytoPharmica Indolplex with DIM
    -----
    BioResponse Nutrients
    Diindolylmethane DIM
    -----
    Estroblock with I3C 60 count
    Ingredient Listing
    ---------
    As looking it at a clinical stand pont get the test done first to see if you even needed then you will have a good base line to what is going on and then after one month supplementation do a retest given on a specific brand..
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    I am taking 60mg of Tcyp every third day, 100iu of HCG ED, .25mg of Arimidex EOD, 150mg of DIM TPD, 1000mg of TMG TPD and starting Pregnenolone Cream per day. Dr. John is a wealth of information. He informed me as to the role that DIM and TMG play in estrogen metabolism. But one must also have a healthy disgestive system so the liver can efficiently excrete its waste. That's why I take digestive enzymes, fiber and a probiotic. Having three bowl movements ED is an indicator of good digestive health. I also get a colonic every other week to insure that my whole excretory system is working properly. Moreover, one must have a urine lab to see if the harmful estrogen metabolites are an issue. Doctors, like Dr. John, have the insight to order these labs and interpret them correctly. This following story is an indication of ignorance and playing doctor:

    In my case, I tried to restart my HPTA in 2004, on my own with the help of a GP who just prescribed what I was asking. I took 1000iu of HCG a day, Clomid and Tamoxifen. This was the indication for most individuals coming of an AS cyle. So me being the brilliant doctor (LOL) decided iit may work for me as well. What an idiot. My E2 skyrocketed in about three days and abcesed my prostate and caused constant BPH. I immediately contacted my GP and he put me back on T cyp only. My E2 went up to 85! He had no clue about Arimidex or aromatization. I then went to a specialist in NYC who took me off everything. That sucked. My T went to that of a 75 year old man. Finally I found Dr. John who was a god sent. I now have an appointment with a DO (always go to DOs and not MDs) urologist who, I hope, will work with Dr. John to aleviate my prostate issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanecore View Post
    I am taking 60mg of Tcyp every third day, 100iu of HCG ED, .25mg of Arimidex EOD, 150mg of DIM TPD, 1000mg of TMG TPD and starting Pregnenolone Cream per day. Dr. John is a wealth of information. He informed me as to the role that DIM and TMG play in estrogen metabolism. But one must also have a healthy disgestive system so the liver can efficiently excrete its waste. That's why I take digestive enzymes, fiber and a probiotic. Having three bowl movements ED is an indicator of good digestive health. I also get a colonic every other week to insure that my whole excretory system is working properly. Moreover, one must have a urine lab to see if the harmful estrogen metabolites are an issue. Doctors, like Dr. John, have the insight to order these labs and interpret them correctly. This following story is an indication of ignorance and playing doctor:

    In my case, I tried to restart my HPTA in 2004, on my own with the help of a GP who just prescribed what I was asking. I took 1000iu of HCG a day, Clomid and Tamoxifen. This was the indication for most individuals coming of an AS cyle. So me being the brilliant doctor (LOL) decided iit may work for me as well. What an idiot. My E2 skyrocketed in about three days and abcesed my prostate and caused constant BPH. I immediately contacted my GP and he put me back on T cyp only. My E2 went up to 85! He had no clue about Arimidex or aromatization. I then went to a specialist in NYC who took me off everything. That sucked. My T went to that of a 75 year old man. Finally I found Dr. John who was a god sent. I now have an appointment with a DO (always go to DOs and not MDs) urologist who, I hope, will work with Dr. John to aleviate my prostate issues.
    I live 30 miles west of Manhattan.
    My new doc is DO, Fair Lawn, NJ Rt4, 07410
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanecore View Post
    That's why I take digestive enzymes, fiber and a probiotic. Having three bowl movements ED is an indicator of good digestive health. I also get a colonic every other week to insure that my whole excretory system is working properly.
    I read in a previous post that you took finasteride for 6 months. How much do benefit do you think doing the colonics are to your overall situation? Last I read you were rooting like a porn star.

    This is interesting to me becuase I am having problems post finasteride use and one of the very few things I did that budged my libido in the right direction was doing a colonic. It makes me wonder if some of us dont break this stuff down as well as others and maybe need a little help from the colonics. I have also heard of one other person who claims that he recovered from finasteride issues by doing colonics and blood cleansing.

    Are you still doing well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by plymouth city View Post
    How much and what kind of T and AI are you on?
    JansZ,
    Been heavily researching the compound pregnenolone. Apparently it converts to progesterone in the body and that helps with T to DHT conversion. Zinc has also shown benefit in this area, and has the added benefit to controlling E2 as well as increasing T. ZMA would be a wise choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John View Post
    Progesterone has been used to inhibit DHT production.
    Thats what I meant. It helps to inhibit T to DHT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Ok,
    Rhein Consulting Laboratories
    does the urine test ($225)
    Estrone (E1) {2-Hydroxyestrone , 16a-Hydroxyestrone }
    Estradiol (E2) {they do not list (4 hydroxyestradiol) so I am not sure here)}
    Estriol (E3)
    -------------------
    Question, how much DIM and TMG to use to make a difference?
    Specially how to figure out a dose of DIM.
    Everybody and his brother describes his DIM differently.
    For example in this study
    Entrez PubMed
    they used (108 mg DIM/day) (BioResponse-DIM)
    I would like to translate that amount of DIM to number of Indolplex pills.
    Similar question on DIM content in Estro-Block plus I3C

    PhytoPharmica Indolplex with DIM
    -----
    BioResponse Nutrients
    Diindolylmethane DIM
    -----
    Estroblock with I3C 60 count
    Ingredient Listing
    ---------


    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John
    They do all my urinary testing for me.
    That is good to know.
    What do you do with that test?
    Would you mind to shed more light on how you use DIM?
    What definition of DIM are you using when specifying dose size, product name.
    Many other questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John View Post
    Progesterone has been used to inhibit DHT production.
    But using progesterone cream as other dr's swear by would not be appropriate, by giving pregnenolone in a cream once through the skin the cream does convert to progesterone and always the body building block to divert it where it needs to. Hence as in previous post I mentioed that people converting creame to dht are most likely due to a possbile progesterone defiency. Also i found an article that insulin is possible needed for the conversion of preg to progesterone it was in oen of the illustrations of steroid hormone cascade charts..
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete073 View Post
    My question is if I am taking arimidex do I need to take dim or tmg? Is it still beneficial?
    Do not mix DIM and Arimidex I did this and got dam sick.
  

  
 

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