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My question is if I am taking arimidex do I need to take dim or tmg? Is it still beneficial?
I would ask your treating doctor first. DIM and TMG are most beneficial if you have had a urine profile that shows 4 hydroxyestradiol and/or 16a-Hydroyestrone is elevated. They are harmful estrogen metabolites that may be cancerous. DIM and TMG redirects your body to produce more healthy estrogens that are much less harmful and more readily excreted by the liver. But, again, everyone is different and your treating doctor would be able to inform you better. I made the mistake of taking many OTCs before asking Dr. John, my treating doctor. He wasn't too happy and said that the wrong OTCs can disrupt lab results and interfer with his treatment. Don't make the same mistake. Good luck.My question is if I am taking arimidex do I need to take dim or tmg? Is it still beneficial?
thanks!I would ask your treating doctor first. DIM and TMG are most beneficial if you have had a urine profile that shows 4 hydroxyestradiol and/or 16a-Hydroyestrone is elevated. They are harmful estrogen metabolites that may be cancerous. DIM and TMG redirects your body to produce more healthy estrogens that are much less harmful and more readily excreted by the liver. But, again, everyone is different and your treating doctor would be able to inform you better. I made the mistake of taking many OTCs before asking Dr. John, my treating doctor. He wasn't too happy and said that the wrong OTCs can disrupt lab results and interfer with his treatment. Don't make the same mistake. Good luck.
It is a great tid bit of information.I would ask your treating doctor first. DIM and TMG are most beneficial if you have had a urine profile that shows 4 hydroxyestradiol and/or 16a-Hydroyestrone is elevated. They are harmful estrogen metabolites that may be cancerous. DIM and TMG redirects your body to produce more healthy estrogens that are much less harmful and more readily excreted by the liver. But, again, everyone is different and your treating doctor would be able to inform you better. I made the mistake of taking many OTCs before asking Dr. John, my treating doctor. He wasn't too happy and said that the wrong OTCs can disrupt lab results and interfer with his treatment. Don't make the same mistake. Good luck.
How much and what kind of T and AI are you on?-----------
How to deal with high DHT? and high TotalEstrogens?
I was on 10mgAndrogel for quite sometime.How much and what kind of T and AI are you on?
I was on 10mgAndrogel for quite sometime.
Used Arimidex, did not feel right, changed to DIM from LEF, Dual-Action, two daily.
Most of the time I used Avodart, one daily.
I changed recently to 100mg/1gram Tcream, use 1gram/day
keep my DIM and Avodart. Added 250HCG, Novarel, every other day. I am still toying with changing Avodart to one pill every other day on suggestion (for experiment) from a doctor at LEF. She likes my 2 DIM's but no more.
Overall I feel good but I know that my libido have a lot of room for improvement.
I will do my next routine adjustments after my blood test end of March.
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Ok,DIM and TMG are most beneficial if you have had a urine profile that shows 4 hydroxyestradiol and/or 16a-Hydroyestrone is elevated. They are harmful estrogen metabolites that may be cancerous. DIM and TMG redirects your body to produce more healthy estrogens that are much less harmful and more readily excreted by the liver.
As looking it at a clinical stand pont get the test done first to see if you even needed then you will have a good base line to what is going on and then after one month supplementation do a retest given on a specific brand..Ok,
Rhein Consulting Laboratories
does the urine test ($225)
Estrone (E1) {2-Hydroxyestrone , 16a-Hydroxyestrone }
Estradiol (E2) {they do not list (4 hydroxyestradiol) so I am not sure here)}
Estriol (E3)
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Question, how much DIM and TMG to use to make a difference?
Specially how to figure out a dose of DIM.
Everybody and his brother describes his DIM differently.
For example in this study
Entrez PubMed
they used (108 mg DIM/day) (BioResponse-DIM)
I would like to translate that amount of DIM to number of Indolplex pills.
Similar question on DIM content in Estro-Block plus I3C
PhytoPharmica Indolplex with DIM
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BioResponse Nutrients
Diindolylmethane DIM
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Estroblock with I3C 60 count
Ingredient Listing
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I live 30 miles west of Manhattan.I am taking 60mg of Tcyp every third day, 100iu of HCG ED, .25mg of Arimidex EOD, 150mg of DIM TPD, 1000mg of TMG TPD and starting Pregnenolone Cream per day. Dr. John is a wealth of information. He informed me as to the role that DIM and TMG play in estrogen metabolism. But one must also have a healthy disgestive system so the liver can efficiently excrete its waste. That's why I take digestive enzymes, fiber and a probiotic. Having three bowl movements ED is an indicator of good digestive health. I also get a colonic every other week to insure that my whole excretory system is working properly. Moreover, one must have a urine lab to see if the harmful estrogen metabolites are an issue. Doctors, like Dr. John, have the insight to order these labs and interpret them correctly. This following story is an indication of ignorance and playing doctor:
In my case, I tried to restart my HPTA in 2004, on my own with the help of a GP who just prescribed what I was asking. I took 1000iu of HCG a day, Clomid and Tamoxifen. This was the indication for most individuals coming of an AS cyle. So me being the brilliant doctor (LOL) decided iit may work for me as well. What an idiot. My E2 skyrocketed in about three days and abcesed my prostate and caused constant BPH. I immediately contacted my GP and he put me back on T cyp only. My E2 went up to 85! He had no clue about Arimidex or aromatization. I then went to a specialist in NYC who took me off everything. That sucked. My T went to that of a 75 year old man. Finally I found Dr. John who was a god sent. I now have an appointment with a DO (always go to DOs and not MDs) urologist who, I hope, will work with Dr. John to aleviate my prostate issues.
I read in a previous post that you took finasteride for 6 months. How much do benefit do you think doing the colonics are to your overall situation? Last I read you were rooting like a porn star.That's why I take digestive enzymes, fiber and a probiotic. Having three bowl movements ED is an indicator of good digestive health. I also get a colonic every other week to insure that my whole excretory system is working properly.
JansZ,How much and what kind of T and AI are you on?
Thats what I meant. It helps to inhibit T to DHT.Progesterone has been used to inhibit DHT production.
Ok,
Rhein Consulting Laboratories
does the urine test ($225)
Estrone (E1) {2-Hydroxyestrone , 16a-Hydroxyestrone }
Estradiol (E2) {they do not list (4 hydroxyestradiol) so I am not sure here)}
Estriol (E3)
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Question, how much DIM and TMG to use to make a difference?
Specially how to figure out a dose of DIM.
Everybody and his brother describes his DIM differently.
For example in this study
Entrez PubMed
they used (108 mg DIM/day) (BioResponse-DIM)
I would like to translate that amount of DIM to number of Indolplex pills.
Similar question on DIM content in Estro-Block plus I3C
PhytoPharmica Indolplex with DIM
-----
BioResponse Nutrients
Diindolylmethane DIM
-----
Estroblock with I3C 60 count
Ingredient Listing
---------
That is good to know.They do all my urinary testing for me.
But using progesterone cream as other dr's swear by would not be appropriate, by giving pregnenolone in a cream once through the skin the cream does convert to progesterone and always the body building block to divert it where it needs to. Hence as in previous post I mentioed that people converting creame to dht are most likely due to a possbile progesterone defiency. Also i found an article that insulin is possible needed for the conversion of preg to progesterone it was in oen of the illustrations of steroid hormone cascade charts..Progesterone has been used to inhibit DHT production.
Do not mix DIM and Arimidex I did this and got dam sick.My question is if I am taking arimidex do I need to take dim or tmg? Is it still beneficial?