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    Hello everyone,
    I am one of Dr. John's consultation patients (he's advising my doc on what to do). While I await his response to my latest tests, I figured it would be interesting to see how smart we've all become through this process. Discuss my lab results, then I'll come back on here and let everyone know what Dr. John says. That way, we all can continue to learn how to tweak things when our numbers are a certain way. Quick background...test cyp injections 100mg/week. Tests taken 3 days after 5th injection.
    Total test = 809 (up from 156) (241-827)
    % Free = 3.6 (2.0-4.0)
    Free = 29.1 (8-30)
    DHT = 918.8 (155-553)
    LH < 0.1 (1.5-9.3)
    Prolactin = 7 (2-18)
    TSH = 1.36 (.4-5.0)
    T3 = 3.5 (2.4-4.2)
    SHBG = 20 (11-80)
    Cortisol = 15.7 (4.3-29)
    FSH <0.3 (1.4-18.1)
    Progesterone = 0.5 (0.3-1.2)
    T4 = 1.35 (0.7-1.85)
    Estradiol = 41 (6-50)

    Please feel free to comment. Thanks and have a great day.

    Mike
    Last edited by mikandrea; 02-08-2007 at 03:21 PM. Reason: Added reference ranges

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    Hi Mike I hope you cleared this with Dr. John what he does for you may not work for others. There is a lot mort to this then just tests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikandrea View Post
    Hello everyone,
    I am one of Dr. John's consultation patients (he's advising my doc on what to do). While I await his response to my latest tests, I figured it would be interesting to see how smart we've all become through this process. Discuss my lab results, then I'll come back on here and let everyone know what Dr. John says. That way, we all can continue to learn how to tweak things when our numbers are a certain way. Quick background...test cyp injections 100mg/week. Tests taken 3 days after 5th injection.
    Total test = 809 (up from 156)
    % Free = 3.6
    Free = 29.1
    DHT = 918.8
    LH < 0.1
    Prolactin = 7
    TSH = 1.36
    T3 = 3.5
    SHBG = 20
    Cortisol = 15.7
    FSH <0.3
    Progesterone = 0.5
    T4 = 1.35
    Estradiol = 41

    Please feel free to comment. Thanks and have a great day.

    Mike
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    Sorry, I'm certainly not trying to offend anyone. I've learned so much from this page and thought it would be interesting to compare our knowledge of the tests (as patients) vs. what actually might be prescribed/interpreted by a doc. I thought it would especially be helpful to those with similar numbers, but working with MD's that do not know what to do. Please forgive me if I offended anyone, especially Dr. John...that was not my intention. My intention was to improve our knowledge. If my goal was not met, then please feel free to delete my post.

    Mike
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    Mike you did not do anything wrong it just that Dr. John does not like ones treatment posted because everyone is different and what he dose for one may not be best for the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikandrea View Post
    Sorry, I'm certainly not trying to offend anyone. I've learned so much from this page and thought it would be interesting to compare our knowledge of the tests (as patients) vs. what actually might be prescribed/interpreted by a doc. I thought it would especially be helpful to those with similar numbers, but working with MD's that do not know what to do. Please forgive me if I offended anyone, especially Dr. John...that was not my intention. My intention was to improve our knowledge. If my goal was not met, then please feel free to delete my post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikandrea View Post
    Hello everyone,
    I am one of Dr. John's consultation patients (he's advising my doc on what to do). While I await his response to my latest tests, I figured it would be interesting to see how smart we've all become through this process. Discuss my lab results, then I'll come back on here and let everyone know what Dr. John says. That way, we all can continue to learn how to tweak things when our numbers are a certain way. Quick background...test cyp injections 100mg/week. Tests taken 3 days after 5th injection.
    Total test = 809 (up from 156)
    % Free = 3.6
    Free = 29.1
    DHT = 918.8
    LH < 0.1
    Prolactin = 7
    TSH = 1.36
    T3 = 3.5
    SHBG = 20
    Cortisol = 15.7
    FSH <0.3
    Progesterone = 0.5
    T4 = 1.35
    Estradiol = 41

    Please feel free to comment. Thanks and have a great day.

    Mike
    Hi Mike;
    I see many items missing in your blood test, items that we usually discuss.
    You may want to post the rest of your blood test to provide more complete picture.
    FreeT3 and DHEAs would be a big items here.
    Body fat and other personal history.
    Hopefully you were having a blood drawn for the test while on stabilized routine.
    Say no changes in routine for a minimum of a month.
    With the glimpse you have provided I see:
    1. extremely high DHT, wonder what you are going to do about it. Do not be shy, return the favor, I have DHT problem.
    The believe on this board is to stay away from Proscar or Avodart, but I have not seen alternatives.
    2.Assuming Albumin=4.3
    using
    http://www.get-back-on-track.com/en/tools/umrechner.php
    and
    Free & Bioavailable Testosterone calculator

    your FreeT=23.6 ng/dL=236pg/mL
    BioavailableT=553 ng/dL =19.2nmol/l

    your FreeT may be in range as Dr Shippen's range is 160-250
    but your BAT is way too high if you believe this
    ----http://anabolicminds.com/forum/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=59 524
    there healthy men used as reference had
    FreeT=199(pmol/L)
    BAT=5.5(nmol/L)
    Have to put disclaimer here, the calculator I use is built on 1990 level of science and 1999 paper.
    The FreeT and BAT level is based on 2006 science and calculations.
    I wish I could pin down the desired BAT level to aim at while using the only available calculator.
    I think BAT take precedence over FreeT, but for now we have a more familiarity with FreeT.
    Edited. I should have added that the 2006 work claims that the 1999 way have an error of (1.5–2.2) times, which is major inacuracy. This (the 1999 way) is still much better than some of the tests for a FreeT that are currently in use.
    If/when you lower your TotalT (possibly down to around 650) then your Estradiol should also get lower.
    We aim at about 15 or range (10-30). E2 is big item when discussing erection problems.
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    I am working with my doctor to get my next blood test, after which I plan on consulting with Dr John.
    So far I have list below. It will be done at Quest Diagnostics.
    --
    Complete metabolic Panel
    Hepatic Function Panel
    Lipid Panel
    CBC

    Total Estrogens
    estrone
    Estradiol, sensitive
    Progesterone
    Pregnenolone
    Total Testosterone
    Free Testosterone (calculated)
    Bio-available Testosterone (calculated)
    Albumin
    sex hormone–binding globulin (SHBG), serum
    DHT (dihydrotestosterone)
    Hematocrit
    prolactin, serum
    FSH (3rd Generation)
    LH
    Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH)
    Free (T3) triiodothyroxine
    Free T4
    Total T4
    Total T3
    DHEA Sulfate
    Cortisol, AM/PM
    SOMATOMEDIN C (IGF-1)
    IGF-BP3
    C-reactive protein (high-sensitivity)
    Fibrinogen
    Hemoglobin A1C
    Lp(a)
    Bilirubin
    AST (SGOT)
    ALT(SGPT)
    VLDL
    Homocysteine
    Insulin
    Glucose, plasma
    Magnesium
    Vitamin D, 1, 25-Dihydroxy
    Folate
    Vitamin A
    Ferritin
    B12, selenium, zinc, copper
    Free PSA
    FreePSA/Total PSA
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    I will speak to Dr. John. If he doesn't want my treatment posted, then I will certainly abide by his wishes. Yeah, the high DHT scares the hell out of me! That was all of my testing except CBC. The 2 areas that concern me are the E2 level and the DHT. I have a nice, full head of hair and want to keep it. I'm also concerned with the prostate issue. I'm very happy that my total test has jumped up, but still am not feeling "right". No morning erections at all (I think that's from the E2 being 41). I will continue to research the DHT issue and share any successes that I have. Again, I hope I didn't offend anyone (Dr. John). I think we're all on here to learn from one anyone and celebrate the successes when we have them. Hopefully, the fact that I get to work with the best in the biz, will enable me to share these successes with you all. Thanks again for being my textbook of information.

    Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikandrea View Post
    Hello everyone,
    I am one of Dr. John's consultation patients (he's advising my doc on what to do). While I await his response to my latest tests, I figured it would be interesting to see how smart we've all become through this process. Discuss my lab results, then I'll come back on here and let everyone know what Dr. John says. That way, we all can continue to learn how to tweak things when our numbers are a certain way. Quick background...test cyp injections 100mg/week. Tests taken 3 days after 5th injection.
    Total test = 809 (up from 156)
    % Free = 3.6
    Free = 29.1
    DHT = 918.8
    LH < 0.1
    Prolactin = 7
    TSH = 1.36
    T3 = 3.5
    SHBG = 20
    Cortisol = 15.7
    FSH <0.3
    Progesterone = 0.5
    T4 = 1.35
    Estradiol = 41

    Please feel free to comment. Thanks and have a great day.

    Mike
    First: lab ranges? Those really help since they aren't all the same.
    What was your DHEA-S? And what are you going that Estradiol being high (assuming the familiar scale).

    More importantly: how do you feel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikandrea View Post
    I will speak to Dr. John. If he doesn't want my treatment posted, then I will certainly abide by his wishes. Yeah, the high DHT scares the hell out of me! That was all of my testing except CBC. The 2 areas that concern me are the E2 level and the DHT. I have a nice, full head of hair and want to keep it. I'm also concerned with the prostate issue. I'm very happy that my total test has jumped up, but still am not feeling "right". No morning erections at all (I think that's from the E2 being 41). I will continue to research the DHT issue and share any successes that I have. Again, I hope I didn't offend anyone (Dr. John). I think we're all on here to learn from one anyone and celebrate the successes when we have them. Hopefully, the fact that I get to work with the best in the biz, will enable me to share these successes with you all. Thanks again for being my textbook of information.

    Mike
    There must be something else than DHT in the blood that afect a hair on the head.
    I (67yo) have a hair on my head and DHT=226 and enlarged prostate.
    Erections and E2 are definitely linked.
    But I think, there is a body condition that makes us more sensitive to its levels.
    E2=41 is still quite within allowable range, but other (hormone?) levels may make it too high.
    Dr John have something up his sleeve (I hope). On April 26-28, 2007 - Orlando, Florida
    hi is going to talk about
    Estrogen Metabolism and the Adult Male: The New Frontier of TRT Medicine.
    Wish he was a little more verbose on this important topic, here on his board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    There must be something else than DHT in the blood that afect a hair on the head.
    I (67yo) have a hair on my head and DHT=226 and enlarged prostate.
    Erections and E2 are definitely linked.
    But I think, there is a body condition that makes us more sensitive to its levels.
    E2=41 is still quite within allowable range, but other (hormone?) levels may make it too high.
    Dr John have something up his sleeve (I hope). On April 26-28, 2007 - Orlando, Florida
    hi is going to talk about
    Estrogen Metabolism and the Adult Male: The New Frontier of TRT Medicine.
    Wish he was a little more verbose on this important topic, here on his board.
    Hair loss receptors that are activated by DHT are genetic. If a man does not have the genes for hairloss receptors that DHT can activate, then DHT won't cause hairloss.
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    I'm making an assumption about the E2 beacuse, from what I've read, the goal is to keep E2 b/w 20-30. Thanks about the info. on DHT and hair loss. Still concerned about its affect on the prostate though. The other stats, I'm 37 years old, 205lbs. with 12% body fat. Thanks for the input everyone.

    Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Complete metabolic Panel
    Hepatic Function Panel
    Lipid Panel
    CBC

    Total Estrogens
    estrone
    Estradiol, sensitive
    Progesterone
    Pregnenolone
    Total Testosterone
    Free Testosterone (calculated)
    Bio-available Testosterone (calculated)
    Albumin
    sex hormone–binding globulin (SHBG), serum
    DHT (dihydrotestosterone)
    Hematocrit
    prolactin, serum
    FSH (3rd Generation)
    LH
    Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH)
    Free (T3) triiodothyroxine
    Free T4
    Total T4
    Total T3
    DHEA Sulfate
    Cortisol, AM/PM
    SOMATOMEDIN C (IGF-1)
    IGF-BP3
    C-reactive protein (high-sensitivity)
    Fibrinogen
    Hemoglobin A1C
    Lp(a)
    Bilirubin
    AST (SGOT)
    ALT(SGPT)
    VLDL
    Homocysteine
    Insulin
    Glucose, plasma
    Magnesium
    Vitamin D, 1, 25-Dihydroxy
    Folate
    Vitamin A
    Ferritin
    B12, selenium, zinc, copper
    Free PSA
    FreePSA/Total PSA
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    You must have insurance. Out-of-pocket, this list would cost thousands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    There must be something else than DHT in the blood that afect a hair on the head.
    I (67yo) have a hair on my head and DHT=226 and enlarged prostate.
    Erections and E2 are definitely linked.
    But I think, there is a body condition that makes us more sensitive to its levels.
    E2=41 is still quite within allowable range, but other (hormone?) levels may make it too high.
    Dr John have something up his sleeve (I hope). On April 26-28, 2007 - Orlando, Florida
    hi is going to talk about
    Estrogen Metabolism and the Adult Male: The New Frontier of TRT Medicine.
    Wish he was a little more verbose on this important topic, here on his board.

    The other part of the equation is one's suceptability to DHT, which appears to be at least partially genetically determined. I look like a cue ball, but my DHT, without TRT, is usu. below the low end of the reference range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpeil2 View Post
    The other part of the equation is one's suceptability to DHT, which appears to be at least partially genetically determined. I look like a cue ball, but my DHT, without TRT, is usu. below the low end of the reference range.
    This is what I am talking about. DHT (in the blood) does not cause hair to fall out. Possibly you have high DHT in hair folicles only. But with your systemic DHT being low, you are probably very poor candidate for finasteride or duosteride.

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    You Need reference ranges here BRO. Then I can get cracking
    Number one blood should be drawn 48 hours to get peak time is your estrogen was that high on 3 rd day it was probably even higher the previous day and it was starting on its down swing (POSSIBLly) If you were to use HCG at this point it would blow your test levels through the roof as well as estrogen. Lowering the dosage of testosterone and adding in HCG could possible reduce amount of estrogen and also bring the boys back to life alittle bit. Since your cortisol looks fine, but free levels where not taken. Adding in HCG will feed other hormonal pathways to help create more of a balance between all hormones. As with dht may be lowering the test and adding HCG may also bring that down as well (new to this), but remember it take a good 4-5 weeks for body to hit a stable level of testosterone in the blood and then from there changes can be altered acordingly, Your thyroid is looking good as long as you feel good I would not screw with it. FT3 levels are perfectly fine and almost in the optimal range. Estrogen and testosterone I understand pretty well DHT is a whole other monster LOL. The excessive of estogen even though still in range is probably interferinf with the recepotrs in the brain to tell the it that is has enough testosterone so it would decrease the LH production and testosterone it self. People need to understand there are estrogen receptors all over your body that affected almost every nervous system functioin as well as your digestion as well. The human body is a marvelous piece of machinery ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpeil2 View Post
    You must have insurance. Out-of-pocket, this list would cost thousands.
    Definitely I do not vote for anybody who proposes socialized medicine. Had I have to wait 6 months to a year for each of my six surgeries in USA I would be dead by now.

    I had a first hand experience with socialized medicine way back in Poland, no thanks.
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    I added the reference ranges in my first post for those that requested it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikandrea View Post
    Hello everyone,
    I am one of Dr. John's consultation patients (he's advising my doc on what to do). While I await his response to my latest tests, I figured it would be interesting to see how smart we've all become through this process. Discuss my lab results, then I'll come back on here and let everyone know what Dr. John says. That way, we all can continue to learn how to tweak things when our numbers are a certain way. Quick background...test cyp injections 100mg/week. Tests taken 3 days after 5th injection.
    Total test = 809 (up from 156) (241-827)
    % Free = 3.6 (2.0-4.0)
    Free = 29.1 (8-30)
    DHT = 918.8 (155-553)
    LH < 0.1 (1.5-9.3)
    Prolactin = 7 (2-18)
    TSH = 1.36 (.4-5.0)
    T3 = 3.5 (2.4-4.2)
    SHBG = 20 (11-80)
    Cortisol = 15.7 (4.3-29)
    FSH <0.3 (1.4-18.1)
    Progesterone = 0.5 (0.3-1.2)
    T4 = 1.35 (0.7-1.85)
    Estradiol = 41 (6-50)

    Please feel free to comment. Thanks and have a great day.

    Mike

    Total T: good job
    Free T: good
    DHT: let Dr. John decide
    LH & FSH: as expected: suppressed
    Prolactin: no comment
    Thyroid-related: fine
    SHBG: surprised it's not higher
    Cortisol: what time of day was it?
    Progesterone: I'm clueless
    Estradiol: a bit high, but not surprising considering such high total T

    Again: how do you feel?
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    Thanks Musclepigg...some days are better than others. I feel great the day after my injection. However, by day 5 and 6, I have a lot of brain fog. I'm a physical therapist and I was having problems explaining a treatment today (I inject tomorrow). I have some nipple sensitivity on the left and still have not woke up with an erection yet. So, its up and down. But days 5&6 are definitely my roughest days. Thanks for the comments...they truly are appreciated. I will continue to learn everytime I read any of the posts.

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    hey mic,
    obviously you want tot get hCG up and running. Reasons Im sure your aware of.

    E2 is way to high. You know that. It should be half of what it is.

    Frequent injects, EOD, will eliminate the day 5-6 crashes.

    I still do not understand why anyone would ever opt for once per week injects. EOD, or at the very least, every 3 days.

    I can PM you a link for cheap arimidex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikandrea View Post
    Thanks Musclepigg...some days are better than others. I feel great the day after my injection. However, by day 5 and 6, I have a lot of brain fog. I'm a physical therapist and I was having problems explaining a treatment today (I inject tomorrow). I have some nipple sensitivity on the left and still have not woke up with an erection yet. So, its up and down. But days 5&6 are definitely my roughest days. Thanks for the comments...they truly are appreciated. I will continue to learn everytime I read any of the posts.

    Mike
    I use T cream now, 100mg/1gram, I use 0.75gram/day
    Previously 7.5gram of Androgel.
    Only when I reduced Androgel from 10 gram to 7.5 and increased my DIM, I got erections under control.
    Tcream is a way less expensive than Androgel, and easier to apply.
    With T injections is not possible to get steady T level in the blood.

    Now, with my changed schedule I am fishing again for the right doses.

    Too much T
    Too much E2
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    Yeah, I was on Androgel 5g/day x 2 weeks and my test lowered from 277 to 156. I think that I was a non-absorber!!! I feel a ton better on the injections, even though things are bad the last 2 days before the next injection. Regarding the EOD protocol, I will explore it if necessary, but only when my numbers get in check (and with Dr. John's approval at that time). Then, I could truly judge the difference in 1x/week vs. EOD.

    Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    I use T cream now, 100mg/1gram, I use 0.75gram/day
    Previously 7.5gram of Androgel.
    Only when I reduced Androgel from 10 gram to 7.5 and increased my DIM, I got erections under control.
    Tcream is a way less expensive than Androgel, and easier to apply.
    With T injections is not possible to get steady T level in the blood.

    Now, with my changed schedule I am fishing again for the right doses.

    Too much T
    Too much E2
    Janz do you notice that having high t and E at same time you have reduced hair growth such as not shaving as much ?

    Problem with Dim it contains calcium carbonate which for people on thryoid medicine can be a big problem. I tried 2 DIM at night time but nothing, but I went to BID and was much better just have to space it accordingly due to thyroid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikandrea View Post
    Yeah, I was on Androgel 5g/day x 2 weeks and my test lowered from 277 to 156. I think that I was a non-absorber!!! I feel a ton better on the injections, even though things are bad the last 2 days before the next injection. Regarding the EOD protocol, I will explore it if necessary, but only when my numbers get in check (and with Dr. John's approval at that time). Then, I could truly judge the difference in 1x/week vs. EOD.

    Mike
    We hear of people having absorption problems.
    When I first started, with out realizing it, I was spilling lots of gel on the bathroom carpet. The other possibility, there is a time, on beginning, when you balls are getting shut, so the only testosterone you have is from what gets thru the skin. Takes few weeks probably more to get to stable condition.
    Thyroid problems, IIRC, may cause absorption problems. Another reason to tackle thyroid and adrenals first.
    With injections from what I hear, they have to be frequent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Janz do you notice that having high t and E at same time you have reduced hair growth such as not shaving as much ?

    Problem with Dim it contains calcium carbonate which for people on thryoid medicine can be a big problem. I tried 2 DIM at night time but nothing, but I went to BID and was much better just have to space it accordingly due to thyroid.
    If you have adrenal fatigue/ thyroid addressing that should help with excessive estrogen levels and metabolism.
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    Thanks Dr. John,
    I look forward to your help. Hope to hear from you very soon. I'm anxious to see what you think (more than you could imagine). Sorry if I mislead anyone...completely unintentional.

    Mike
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