Avoiding excess conversion of testosterone into estradiol during testosterone treatme

[DrDelgado]

Of interest, is the downstream conversion of all anabolics such as testosterone, DHEA, progesterone and Estrogen into one of 40 different estrogen metabolites. this is measured best by a urine test for 24 hours collection showing not just estradiol, but "Bad" 16 alpha Hydroxestrone- OHE, "Good" 2- Hydroxesterone-OHE and the total collection of Testosterone during the 24 hours, not just the snap shot of blood or saliva, better the 24 urine giving the total load. It is from over 2 years of testing my clients with a supervising physician, we have observed two astonishing findings, one is the average person, man or woman over 25 years old, who is over fat, has too much of the bad 16 OHE as compared to the good 2 OHE, with typical ratio of less than 2 to 1, that is only two times more bad than good. According to Dr Naina Sachdev of Oregon, We then put them on Estroblock, Lean N Fit, new, and the blended drink as devised by Delgado, (48 to 60 ounces) blended by a Vitamix, "Krups" blender or Cusinart of napa chinese cabbage, baby Bok Choy, or two or three big leaves of large Bok Choy, one squash, carrot, and frozen cherries or red rasperries or blueberries to taste - in place of a breakfast or lunch or a before or after dinner meal and within less than 30 days the ratio changes to a 10 to 1 and after 6 months to nearly a 20 to 1, that is 20 times more of the safe, form of estrogen 2OHE as compared to the 16 aOHE. Also the Testosterone activity, improves especially when one adds to the typical injection of Dr John Protocol HCG and Testosterone, along with Avena Sativa 600 mg a day, (you get 100 mg of Avena Sativa from just two capsules of Lean N fit new, and expect increased erectile function, arousal, libido, muscle density, and less body fat. Expect to see lower LDL bad cholesterol, according to an early pilot study.

[AnotherOldGuy]

Imagine how the general health of our country would improve if couples just took a walk together in the evening (including the health of their relationship).

Since my first consult with Dr John, I have been able to take a 4 mile walk every Saturday morning with my wife. We do it in an hour. MIght not be enough, but a start.

Before starting with Dr John, no way in heck I had enough energy to do that.

...makin progress

[AnotherOldGuy]

I was getting there! I appreciate your help in our short time together. Looking forward to the progress.

I like to use that avatar as a reminder.

[smc252]

He's no longer the guy in his avatar.

<-- New "guy in the chair" Always someone to take his place, no worries Doc.

[DrDelgado]

Is it possible that SubQ can be effective, along with IM of testosterone, when using a combination of DIM, I3C, (to clear unmetabolized estrones), Avena Sativa to release Free Testosterone by clearing SHBG (Sex Hormone binding Globlin) and using trandermal Chrysin (much more effective than oral Chrysin). We believe the results of urine and blood tests have confirmed on a number of men correct management of anabolic vs estrogenic effects is profoundly important and underestimated by many, until they try it and see the results of harder body, better sex, increased mental clarity. By the way, these results are amplified by plant derived nitrogen (used in capsule form 100 to 285 mg taken 30 to 45 minutes prior to training, This concentrated nitrogenous base is excellent for recovery ideally for endurance strength athletes.

Todays science has to be compared to individual results

[JanSz]

Is it possible that SubQ can be effective, along with IM of testosterone, when using a combination of DIM, I3C, (to clear unmetabolized estrones), Avena Sativa to release Free Testosterone by clearing SHBG (Sex Hormone binding Globlin) and using trandermal Chrysin (much more effective than oral Chrysin). We believe the results of urine and blood tests have confirmed on a number of men correct management of anabolic vs estrogenic effects is profoundly important and underestimated by many, until they try it and see the results of harder body, better sex, increased mental clarity. By the way, these results are amplified by plant derived nitrogen (used in capsule form 100 to 285 mg taken 30 to 45 minutes prior to training, This concentrated nitrogenous base is excellent for recovery ideally for endurance strength athletes.

Todays science has to be compared to individual results

Thank you.

Avena Sativa
and
Chrysin
lower SHBG, that is good because many have it high.

There is however group of people with low sometimes very low (7) SHBG.

How to raise SHBG?

[hardasnails1973]

Is it possible that SubQ can be effective, along with IM of testosterone, when using a combination of DIM, I3C, (to clear unmetabolized estrones), Avena Sativa to release Free Testosterone by clearing SHBG (Sex Hormone binding Globlin) and using trandermal Chrysin (much more effective than oral Chrysin). We believe the results of urine and blood tests have confirmed on a number of men correct management of anabolic vs estrogenic effects is profoundly important and underestimated by many, until they try it and see the results of harder body, better sex, increased mental clarity. By the way, these results are amplified by plant derived nitrogen (used in capsule form 100 to 285 mg taken 30 to 45 minutes prior to training, This concentrated nitrogenous base is excellent for recovery ideally for endurance strength athletes.

Todays science has to be compared to individual results

Avena Sativa - what dosage and what percentatage of active ingredient is needed to actually lower the shbg

is stinging nettles needed with this as well and what dosages are required and if both of these are taken together would there be less dosages needed.

Topical chyrsin is interesting but i have seen only one or 2 published lab results, but only speculation for humans. In know Shippen is a big beleiveer in chyrsin but no before and after labs were ever shown. Once this has been validated by clincal human studies then there will be more credence behind this and may open up doors to future in the less administration of pharmacutical AI. But as always I keep an open mind on new things being discovered daily I just prefer to see it scientifically backed ina controlled testing enviorment.

[wondering]

before worrying about how to raise SHBG, consider these posts from Marianco...



Avena Sativa
and
Chrysin
lower SHBG, that is good because many have it high.

There is however group of people with low sometimes very low (7) SHBG.

How to raise SHBG?[/QUOTE]

[wondering]

meant this too..

before worrying about how to raise SHBG, consider these posts from Marianco...



Avena Sativa
and
Chrysin
lower SHBG, that is good because many have it high.

There is however group of people with low sometimes very low (7) SHBG.

How to raise SHBG?[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

[JanSz]

meant this too..

before worrying about how to raise SHBG, consider these posts from Marianco...



Avena Sativa
and
Chrysin
lower SHBG, that is good because many have it high.

There is however group of people with low sometimes very low (7) SHBG.

How to raise SHBG?

Thank you, thank you.

Before I finish reading....

There is resource that I was not aware of.
You or somebody copied Dr Marianco's posts and filed them as attachments.

How to get my hot hands on that list of attachments?

[hardasnails1973]

Thank you, thank you.

Before I finish reading....

There is resource that I was not aware of.
You or somebody copied Dr Marianco's posts and filed them as attachments.

How to get my hot hands on that list of attachments?

send me your email I got 451 pages of them

[JanSz]

send me your email I got 451 pages of them

Thank you, I will, but first see if there is a way to make the list public so we all could have good resource at hand.

For example the last attachment is sitting at:

---------http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attac...ale-anti-aging/17966d1184954638-avoiding-excess-

There is directory containig attachments
I cannot get to directory with list of attachments, but possibly there is a better way.

[hardasnails1973]

Thank you, I will, but first see if there is a way to make the list public so we all could have good resource at hand.

For example the last attachment is sitting at:

---------http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attac...ale-anti-aging/17966d1184954638-avoiding-excess-

There is directory containig attachments
I cannot get to directory with list of attachments, but possibly there is a better way.

Tell me how to attach step by step I will bro ..

[JanSz]

Tell me how to attach step by step I will bro ..

I think wondering (or somebody hi knows) already did (I think), big job, very usefull.
All we need is to get link to the post where all this work resides.

[hardasnails1973]

I think wondering already did (I think), big job, very usefull.
All we need is to get link to the post where all this work resides.

I have them on a word document file !!need to know how to make them a webpage

[hardasnails1973]

Of interest, is the downstream conversion of all anabolics such as testosterone, DHEA, progesterone and Estrogen into one of 40 different estrogen metabolites. this is measured best by a urine test for 24 hours collection showing not just estradiol, but "Bad" 16 alpha Hydroxestrone- OHE, "Good" 2- Hydroxesterone-OHE and the total collection of Testosterone during the 24 hours, not just the snap shot of blood or saliva, better the 24 urine giving the total load. It is from over 2 years of testing my clients with a supervising physician, we have observed two astonishing findings, one is the average person, man or woman over 25 years old, who is over fat, has too much of the bad 16 OHE as compared to the good 2 OHE, with typical ratio of less than 2 to 1, that is only two times more bad than good. According to Dr Naina Sachdev of Oregon, We then put them on Estroblock, Lean N Fit, new, and the blended drink as devised by Delgado, (48 to 60 ounces) blended by a Vitamix, "Krups" blender or Cusinart of napa chinese cabbage, baby Bok Choy, or two or three big leaves of large Bok Choy, one squash, carrot, and frozen cherries or red rasperries or blueberries to taste - in place of a breakfast or lunch or a before or after dinner meal and within less than 30 days the ratio changes to a 10 to 1 and after 6 months to nearly a 20 to 1, that is 20 times more of the safe, form of estrogen 2OHE as compared to the 16 aOHE. Also the Testosterone activity, improves especially when one adds to the typical injection of Dr John Protocol HCG and Testosterone, along with Avena Sativa 600 mg a day, (you get 100 mg of Avena Sativa from just two capsules of Lean N fit new, and expect increased erectile function, arousal, libido, muscle density, and less body fat. Expect to see lower LDL bad cholesterol, according to an early pilot study.

Ok then this proves changing the good to bad ratio is one of the steps needed to increase bioactivity of testosterone which alot of us are in need of. VERY INTERESTING !!!

[JanSz]

I have them on a word document file !!need to know how to make them a webpage

Check your PM box.

[hardasnails1973]

Check your PM box.

sent

[JanSz]

sent

Hardasnails notes of dr Marianco's posts.

Warning, 424 pages.
It is converted from eml to doc
Board is not accepting eml
If something is missing, please note,
I have the original as received from HAN.

[plymouth city]

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